Anonymous wrote:So are Randall and Beth splitting? I recall one of the episodes foreshadowing her instructing a dance class and there was something about it that made me think they were no longer together.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe Sophie is part of Kevin's 12 step program. Don't they have to apologize or something?
I'd like to think they've moved on, and she certainly is better off.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know...they were definitely unlikable and unrealistic but I didn't hate the episode. It was called the waiting room and it seems to signal a shift in all their lives as they wait.

Miguel may be about to find his place in the family (being the one who had the phone number and tried to play dad). Rebecca is clearly physically heading in a bad direction. Kevin and Kevin/Zoe is at a crossroads, as are Randall and crew. And life or death for baby Jack and them.

They're a waiting for setting wonderful or something horrible, and we are waiting along with them. 4 more episodes to get this all wrapped up, and this one was just setting the scene for what's next and how it all comes together.

Re: Rebecca, I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed this. At first I thought they were setting up clues that she might be starting to experience early-onset Alzheimer's or dementia, with her random musings about the waiting room. But then she related all of that back to being in the waiting room with Jack the night he died. I don't know though, it kind of seemed like she was very frail and perhaps not in great health.

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It wouldn't be very early onset. She's 68 or 69 at this point. She got pregnant at 30 and the triplets are 38 + now.

That popped into my mind because her memories were oddly precise and detailed.

Well no, small but vivid details are part and parcel of traumatic memories.

But it was perplexing for another reason, because it sounded like she drove him to the ER "for his burns" and then they hung around waiting in the ER waiting room forever. I may have misheard it.

I don't quite get the "frailty" business. This woman has had trauma in her life: losing one of her babies, hiding her relationship with Randall's father, the years when Jack was an alcoholic, the horrific way she lost him, her conflicted relationship with Kate, learning about her husband's hidden brother, the obvious risks with the baby due to Kate's obesity, now the critical medical situation. I can totally see her sitting there with this accumulation of life pain and being terrified what might happen to her daughter and granddaughter.

My DH died 15 years ago and was ill for a long time before that. There are many random details I remember from his last hospitalization (almost 300 miles from home). I took pics of the ICU where he died and when they got developed I immediately stashed them away because they were so upsetting, didn't look at them for 10 years and they still hit me in the gut, as to other bits and pieces of his illness. Going into the local hospital where he had many stays, whether to visit or for my own medical stuff, was also hard for years until they did major remodeling so it was less familiar.

Remembering stuff like that in certain situations is NOT a sign of dementia!

Her reminiscence bugged me because he wasn’t burned, he had inhaled smoke, and no one brought to a hospital via ambulance from a fire will be put in a waiting room.

It might be worth watching the fire episode again. I thought they took him to the hospital to get the burns on his hands looked at, and while he was there he went into cardiac arrest from his lungs being swollen from the smoke. It was such a shock because they thought the only issue was the hands. That's my memory at least.

And he was in a room but she was in the waiting room. I now can't remember from last week's episode but did she say he was in the waiting room with her?

Anonymous wrote:I was also bored by this episode and questioning if I even liked the show.

So Sophie is back next week? Ugh. I don't like her either, lol.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know...they were definitely unlikable and unrealistic but I didn't hate the episode. It was called the waiting room and it seems to signal a shift in all their lives as they wait.

Miguel may be about to find his place in the family (being the one who had the phone number and tried to play dad). Rebecca is clearly physically heading in a bad direction. Kevin and Kevin/Zoe is at a crossroads, as are Randall and crew. And life or death for baby Jack and them.

They're a waiting for setting wonderful or something horrible, and we are waiting along with them. 4 more episodes to get this all wrapped up, and this one was just setting the scene for what's next and how it all comes together.

Re: Rebecca, I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed this. At first I thought they were setting up clues that she might be starting to experience early-onset Alzheimer's or dementia, with her random musings about the waiting room. But then she related all of that back to being in the waiting room with Jack the night he died. I don't know though, it kind of seemed like she was very frail and perhaps not in great health.

I thought this too

It wouldn't be very early onset. She's 68 or 69 at this point. She got pregnant at 30 and the triplets are 38 + now.

That popped into my mind because her memories were oddly precise and detailed.

Well no, small but vivid details are part and parcel of traumatic memories.

But it was perplexing for another reason, because it sounded like she drove him to the ER "for his burns" and then they hung around waiting in the ER waiting room forever. I may have misheard it.

I don't quite get the "frailty" business. This woman has had trauma in her life: losing one of her babies, hiding her relationship with Randall's father, the years when Jack was an alcoholic, the horrific way she lost him, her conflicted relationship with Kate, learning about her husband's hidden brother, the obvious risks with the baby due to Kate's obesity, now the critical medical situation. I can totally see her sitting there with this accumulation of life pain and being terrified what might happen to her daughter and granddaughter.

My DH died 15 years ago and was ill for a long time before that. There are many random details I remember from his last hospitalization (almost 300 miles from home). I took pics of the ICU where he died and when they got developed I immediately stashed them away because they were so upsetting, didn't look at them for 10 years and they still hit me in the gut, as to other bits and pieces of his illness. Going into the local hospital where he had many stays, whether to visit or for my own medical stuff, was also hard for years until they did major remodeling so it was less familiar.

Remembering stuff like that in certain situations is NOT a sign of dementia!

Her reminiscence bugged me because he wasn’t burned, he had inhaled smoke, and no one brought to a hospital via ambulance from a fire will be put in a waiting room.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know...they were definitely unlikable and unrealistic but I didn't hate the episode. It was called the waiting room and it seems to signal a shift in all their lives as they wait.

Miguel may be about to find his place in the family (being the one who had the phone number and tried to play dad). Rebecca is clearly physically heading in a bad direction. Kevin and Kevin/Zoe is at a crossroads, as are Randall and crew. And life or death for baby Jack and them.

They're a waiting for setting wonderful or something horrible, and we are waiting along with them. 4 more episodes to get this all wrapped up, and this one was just setting the scene for what's next and how it all comes together.

Re: Rebecca, I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed this. At first I thought they were setting up clues that she might be starting to experience early-onset Alzheimer's or dementia, with her random musings about the waiting room. But then she related all of that back to being in the waiting room with Jack the night he died. I don't know though, it kind of seemed like she was very frail and perhaps not in great health.

I thought this too

It wouldn't be very early onset. She's 68 or 69 at this point. She got pregnant at 30 and the triplets are 38 + now.

That popped into my mind because her memories were oddly precise and detailed.

Well no, small but vivid details are part and parcel of traumatic memories.

But it was perplexing for another reason, because it sounded like she drove him to the ER "for his burns" and then they hung around waiting in the ER waiting room forever. I may have misheard it.

I don't quite get the "frailty" business. This woman has had trauma in her life: losing one of her babies, hiding her relationship with Randall's father, the years when Jack was an alcoholic, the horrific way she lost him, her conflicted relationship with Kate, learning about her husband's hidden brother, the obvious risks with the baby due to Kate's obesity, now the critical medical situation. I can totally see her sitting there with this accumulation of life pain and being terrified what might happen to her daughter and granddaughter.

My DH died 15 years ago and was ill for a long time before that. There are many random details I remember from his last hospitalization (almost 300 miles from home). I took pics of the ICU where he died and when they got developed I immediately stashed them away because they were so upsetting, didn't look at them for 10 years and they still hit me in the gut, as to other bits and pieces of his illness. Going into the local hospital where he had many stays, whether to visit or for my own medical stuff, was also hard for years until they did major remodeling so it was less familiar.

Remembering stuff like that in certain situations is NOT a sign of dementia!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m even angrier with Randall after this episode.

Really? I think Beth was in the wrong. She agreed to the council. He very explicitly asked her if he could run. What did she think life would be like if he won? I mean, it was stupid for him to run, but this is what they agreed to. Maybe it was a dumb decision for them both, but it’s the path they chose. She suddenly rediscovers dance after 20 years and wants to change the deal they made.

She asked him to drop out though before the dance thing. She asked when things were not going well at home and she lost her job. He still didn’t agree and hadn’t won yet. I think he should have dropped out at that point rather than now.

See, I felt that she was wrong to ask at that point, too, because his campaign was on the upswing and he had already committed to it, gotten people in the community invested in it, etc.

But I’ve always had a hard time with the concept of sunk costs!

My biggest issue is why are they not moving? If everything aligned like this - Randall got elected in a city 2 hours away, Beth got laid off from her high paying job - why stay??? Why wouldn't they sell their gorgeous house, bank some $$$, and move closer to Randall's job? And don't come at me about schools - there are plenty of good public school options near Philly.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know...they were definitely unlikable and unrealistic but I didn't hate the episode. It was called the waiting room and it seems to signal a shift in all their lives as they wait.

Miguel may be about to find his place in the family (being the one who had the phone number and tried to play dad). Rebecca is clearly physically heading in a bad direction. Kevin and Kevin/Zoe is at a crossroads, as are Randall and crew. And life or death for baby Jack and them.

They're a waiting for setting wonderful or something horrible, and we are waiting along with them. 4 more episodes to get this all wrapped up, and this one was just setting the scene for what's next and how it all comes together.

Re: Rebecca, I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed this. At first I thought they were setting up clues that she might be starting to experience early-onset Alzheimer's or dementia, with her random musings about the waiting room. But then she related all of that back to being in the waiting room with Jack the night he died. I don't know though, it kind of seemed like she was very frail and perhaps not in great health.

I thought this too

It wouldn't be very early onset. She's 68 or 69 at this point. She got pregnant at 30 and the triplets are 38 + now.

That popped into my mind because her memories were oddly precise and detailed.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m even angrier with Randall after this episode.

Really? I think Beth was in the wrong. She agreed to the council. He very explicitly asked her if he could run. What did she think life would be like if he won? I mean, it was stupid for him to run, but this is what they agreed to. Maybe it was a dumb decision for them both, but it’s the path they chose. She suddenly rediscovers dance after 20 years and wants to change the deal they made.

She asked him to drop out though before the dance thing. She asked when things were not going well at home and she lost her job. He still didn’t agree and hadn’t won yet. I think he should have dropped out at that point rather than now.

See, I felt that she was wrong to ask at that point, too, because his campaign was on the upswing and he had already committed to it, gotten people in the community invested in it, etc.

But I’ve always had a hard time with the concept of sunk costs!