So, I am one of the trolls on this thread. I don't have a dog in this particular fight, but I certainly do enjoy watching different liberal factions try to rip each others' throats out. I have tried to be as obnoxious with my prior posts as possible by calling arguments communist and fascistic as I deem appropriate. Let me present my observations:

First, I think that we can all agree that there will be winners and losers in any boundary definition exercise. This is inherently a zero sum game. People value different things, be they FARMS levels, walkability, time on the bus, perceived property value effects, etc. Furthermore, people put different weights on how important they view these attributes. A rational way to deal with these issues would be to discuss how important each of these things are and how affected each would be by the various plans. (At one point, someone asked what everyone valued in a middle school. I was the only one who answered the question.)

But instead of trying to discuss these thing rationally, you "all" decided to argue like a bunch of fucking children after breaking open the mid-morning bottle of wine. I actually find this quite amusing. For the most part, people just ignored what others were saying. Many refused to accept that other people value things in different ways. For example, some prefer their kids go to a "diverse" school, while others place more emphasis on overall school test performance. Some argued that, in essence, the opinions of some members of the community don't matter. For example, some said that if people in North Arlington didn't like being bused, they could just go private, as if those folks' preferences can just be ignored in the political equation. Some argued that they knew better what good for someone's kid than the parents themselves. For example, some said that Dominion Hills kids would be better off walking to Kenmore than Swanson. There was bogus virtue signaling throughout. There was gnashing of teeth and calling of names. It was the Arlington Way as we have all known and loved.

Here are some specific comments: Don't call people "poors": it is condescending. Don't tell people that they can just go private as if APS doesn't have an obligation to serve all kids: this is undemocratic and condescending. Don't tell people that you know what better for their kids than do the parents: this is even more condescending and obnoxious as hell. To people arguing geography and house values: don't make up shit when you don't know anything about it. To the DH parent who kept on pointing out that the walking distance to Swanson is much shorter than to Kenmore and was called a racist for stating this obvious fact: I don't know why you put up with this crap; I would have left exasperated, pulling my hair out, long before not. To the person calling DH a racist: You are truly a fucking piece of work. She explained her reasonable position and you refused to listen. Furthermore, you asked her to publicly identify herself and yet you refused to identify yourself when asked. That is fucking lame. (I use these expletives to shock and because you deserve it.)

Many who come to the Washington area are the "best and brightest," often working for the government. When I see the quality of argumentation surrounding local issues, I worry for the state of our country if that argumentation reflects that of our political leadership.

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I would like to see Kenmore’s move below 50 as well. I suspect that involves people currently zoned Swanson being moved.

It will definitely require some families currently zoned for Swanson or Williamsburg. All that many of us are asking is that APS start by kids already on buses, not those currently within a 1/2mi radius, in planning units touching Swanson.

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Anonymous wrote:The PU’s zoned Tj need to wake up. There will be significantly negative impacts to TJ if the Swanson whiners get their way.
TJ has a nice balance right now, and that will be impacted.

We're not "whiners" we are "walkers" (< half mile)!! And, yes we bought our homes so our kids could walk to school.

It's you bussers, calling us racists, who fear your kids could be bussed south to Kenmore in an 11th hour decision (I hope so).

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My kids are on a bus to TJ no matter what happens. I’ll be damned if I see that school slip down the drain because of you whiners.

I'll be lobbying hard for 1B.

Why?

I meant 1D, sorry. Walkability is key. They could take from 1Ds Stratford bussing area and bus to Jefferson instead to lower the farms rate. I think a middle ground could be found to preserve walkability for people who you call whiners, while simply shifting people who are already on busses to Stratford or Swanson and ship them to Kenmore and Jefferson. I'm sorry you disagree.

I’m for any option that doesn’t increase the TJ farm’s rate.

A bit selfish, given that every other school's farms rates will be increasing under most scenarios (except Williamsburg). But I get it.

Not really. Tj is right at the tipping point.
I would like to see Kenmore’s move below 50 as well. I suspect that involves people currently zoned Swanson being moved.

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Anonymous wrote:The PU’s zoned Tj need to wake up. There will be significantly negative impacts to TJ if the Swanson whiners get their way.
TJ has a nice balance right now, and that will be impacted.

We're not "whiners" we are "walkers" (< half mile)!! And, yes we bought our homes so our kids could walk to school.

It's you bussers, calling us racists, who fear your kids could be bussed south to Kenmore in an 11th hour decision (I hope so).

+1

My kids are on a bus to TJ no matter what happens. I’ll be damned if I see that school slip down the drain because of you whiners.

I'll be lobbying hard for 1B.

Why?

I meant 1D, sorry. Walkability is key. They could take from 1Ds Stratford bussing area and bus to Jefferson instead to lower the farms rate. I think a middle ground could be found to preserve walkability for people who you call whiners, while simply shifting people who are already on busses to Stratford or Swanson and ship them to Kenmore and Jefferson. I'm sorry you disagree.

I’m for any option that doesn’t increase the TJ farm’s rate.

A bit selfish, given that every other school's farms rates will be increasing under most scenarios (except Williamsburg). But I get it.

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Anonymous wrote:The PU’s zoned Tj need to wake up. There will be significantly negative impacts to TJ if the Swanson whiners get their way.
TJ has a nice balance right now, and that will be impacted.

We're not "whiners" we are "walkers" (< half mile)!! And, yes we bought our homes so our kids could walk to school.

It's you bussers, calling us racists, who fear your kids could be bussed south to Kenmore in an 11th hour decision (I hope so).

+1

My kids are on a bus to TJ no matter what happens. I’ll be damned if I see that school slip down the drain because of you whiners.

I'll be lobbying hard for 1B.

Why?

I meant 1D, sorry. Walkability is key. They could take from 1Ds Stratford bussing area and bus to Jefferson instead to lower the farms rate. I think a middle ground could be found to preserve walkability for people who you call whiners, while simply shifting people who are already on busses to Stratford or Swanson and ship them to Kenmore and Jefferson. I'm sorry you disagree.

I’m for any option that doesn’t increase the TJ farm’s rate.

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Anonymous wrote:The PU’s zoned Tj need to wake up. There will be significantly negative impacts to TJ if the Swanson whiners get their way.
TJ has a nice balance right now, and that will be impacted.

We're not "whiners" we are "walkers" (< half mile)!! And, yes we bought our homes so our kids could walk to school.

It's you bussers, calling us racists, who fear your kids could be bussed south to Kenmore in an 11th hour decision (I hope so).

+1

My kids are on a bus to TJ no matter what happens. I’ll be damned if I see that school slip down the drain because of you whiners.

I'll be lobbying hard for 1B.

Why?

I meant 1D, sorry. Walkability is key. They could take from 1Ds Stratford bussing area and bus to Jefferson instead to lower the farms rate. I think a middle ground could be found to preserve walkability for people who you call whiners, while simply shifting people who are already on busses to Stratford or Swanson and ship them to Kenmore and Jefferson. I'm sorry you disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:The PU’s zoned Tj need to wake up. There will be significantly negative impacts to TJ if the Swanson whiners get their way.
TJ has a nice balance right now, and that will be impacted.

We're not "whiners" we are "walkers" (< half mile)!! And, yes we bought our homes so our kids could walk to school.

It's you bussers, calling us racists, who fear your kids could be bussed south to Kenmore in an 11th hour decision (I hope so).

+1

My kids are on a bus to TJ no matter what happens. I’ll be damned if I see that school slip down the drain because of you whiners.

I'll be lobbying hard for 1B.

Why?

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Anonymous wrote:The PU’s zoned Tj need to wake up. There will be significantly negative impacts to TJ if the Swanson whiners get their way.
TJ has a nice balance right now, and that will be impacted.

We're not "whiners" we are "walkers" (< half mile)!! And, yes we bought our homes so our kids could walk to school.

It's you bussers, calling us racists, who fear your kids could be bussed south to Kenmore in an 11th hour decision (I hope so).

+1

My kids are on a bus to TJ no matter what happens. I’ll be damned if I see that school slip down the drain because of you whiners.

I'll be lobbying hard for 1B.

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Anonymous wrote:The PU’s zoned Tj need to wake up. There will be significantly negative impacts to TJ if the Swanson whiners get their way.
TJ has a nice balance right now, and that will be impacted.

We're not "whiners" we are "walkers" (< half mile)!! And, yes we bought our homes so our kids could walk to school.

It's you bussers, calling us racists, who fear your kids could be bussed south to Kenmore in an 11th hour decision (I hope so).

+1

My kids are on a bus to TJ no matter what happens. I’ll be damned if I see that school slip down the drain because of you whiners.

If you're in a bus no matter what, I suggest you volunteer your kids for Kenmore. There you go.

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Anonymous wrote:The PU’s zoned Tj need to wake up. There will be significantly negative impacts to TJ if the Swanson whiners get their way.
TJ has a nice balance right now, and that will be impacted.

We're not "whiners" we are "walkers" (< half mile)!! And, yes we bought our homes so our kids could walk to school.

It's you bussers, calling us racists, who fear your kids could be bussed south to Kenmore in an 11th hour decision (I hope so).

+1

My kids are on a bus to TJ no matter what happens. I’ll be damned if I see that school slip down the drain because of you whiners.

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Anonymous wrote:The PU’s zoned Tj need to wake up. There will be significantly negative impacts to TJ if the Swanson whiners get their way.
TJ has a nice balance right now, and that will be impacted.

We're not "whiners" we are "walkers" (< half mile)!! And, yes we bought our homes so our kids could walk to school.

It's you bussers, calling us racists, who fear your kids could be bussed south to Kenmore in an 11th hour decision (I hope so).

+1

Anonymous wrote:The PU’s zoned Tj need to wake up. There will be significantly negative impacts to TJ if the Swanson whiners get their way.
TJ has a nice balance right now, and that will be impacted.

We're not "whiners" we are "walkers" (< half mile)!! And, yes we bought our homes so our kids could walk to school.

It's you bussers, calling us racists, who fear your kids could be bussed south to Kenmore in an 11th hour decision (I hope so).

Anonymous wrote:The PU’s zoned Tj need to wake up. There will be significantly negative impacts to TJ if the Swanson whiners get their way.
TJ has a nice balance right now, and that will be impacted.

I am not familiar with those PUs. Which areas get pulled into TJ if MM and DH go into Swanson that would cause the impact?

The PU’s zoned Tj need to wake up. There will be significantly negative impacts to TJ if the Swanson whiners get their way.
TJ has a nice balance right now, and that will be impacted.

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Anonymous wrote:Ashton heights and Lyon parkers-are you going to fight to stay at TJ since it's in your walk zone?

I think Lyon Park is moved out of TJ in every scenario. Only one scenario has Ashton Heights moved out.

Nope. LP stays in TJ for some scenarios, Stratford for one, and it's split in half for some. Some people I know want to keep LP together but don't care where. Others are fighting time stay at TJ.

Thanks, it's so hard to tell on the available maps.