Anonymous
06/20/2017 07:56
Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Obama's strategy clearly didn't work but it's impossible to say whether Trump would have been able to secure Otto's release had he been president at the time.
Anonymous
06/20/2017 07:50
Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
The other 3 Americans detained in North Korea are not in comas. Also, they are of Korean descent so are probably viewed differently by Kim Jung Un and Donald Trump.
Anonymous
06/20/2017 07:49
Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents wanted to put a yellow ribbon around their tree in their yard. Were told no by the Obama administration
That would go along with Obama's ridiculous mindset - don't do anything that bullies will interpret as criticism. Any 1st grader knows that bullies see that as weakness, and go after their victims even more.
Tough but serious question here: do you think Obama would have responded differently if it had been a black college student? I'm not trying to start anything here, just curious what others think. And if you think his response would have been the same regardless, I can respect that. Just curious if others think there might have been implicit bias against Otto. Just look at some of the responses here for examples.
IDK, why did Trump only get the white boy released? What about the other US citizens that are in prison in NK that are not caucasian? Just agreeing with you that there may be bias at work here.
He probably was working on all four, but NK was willing to send the white boy home because he was dying.
Anonymous
06/20/2017 07:48
Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents wanted to put a yellow ribbon around their tree in their yard. Were told no by the Obama administration
That would go along with Obama's ridiculous mindset - don't do anything that bullies will interpret as criticism. Any 1st grader knows that bullies see that as weakness, and go after their victims even more.
Tough but serious question here: do you think Obama would have responded differently if it had been a black college student? I'm not trying to start anything here, just curious what others think. And if you think his response would have been the same regardless, I can respect that. Just curious if others think there might have been implicit bias against Otto. Just look at some of the responses here for examples.
I'm glad you had the courage to say this. I can't help but notice that so many people are saying that Otto was responsible for his own stupid choices to flout NK law, often throwing in a disparaging remark about the "white boy." Yet, these same people refuse to say that blacks who who defy police commands to halt or drop their weapon are likewise responsible for their own stupid choices.
To answer your question more directory, yes....I think Obama would have reacted differently had this been a black student. Look at how he interjected himself into the Trayvon Madtin and Michael Brown cases, yet nary a word when a white kid is killed. His sympathies clearly lied with blacks, and I believe he was a polished-up version of Sharpton. (Remember how he said his grandmother reacted like "a typical white person?" Can you imagine a white president saying someone reacted like a "typical black person"?)
Anonymous
06/20/2017 07:43
Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents wanted to put a yellow ribbon around their tree in their yard. Were told no by the Obama administration
That would go along with Obama's ridiculous mindset - don't do anything that bullies will interpret as criticism. Any 1st grader knows that bullies see that as weakness, and go after their victims even more.
Tough but serious question here: do you think Obama would have responded differently if it had been a black college student? I'm not trying to start anything here, just curious what others think. And if you think his response would have been the same regardless, I can respect that. Just curious if others think there might have been implicit bias against Otto. Just look at some of the responses here for examples.
IDK, why did Trump only get the white boy released? What about the other US citizens that are in prison in NK that are not caucasian? Just agreeing with you that there may be bias at work here.
Anonymous
06/20/2017 07:37
Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents wanted to put a yellow ribbon around their tree in their yard. Were told no by the Obama administration
That would go along with Obama's ridiculous mindset - don't do anything that bullies will interpret as criticism. Any 1st grader knows that bullies see that as weakness, and go after their victims even more.
Tough but serious question here: do you think Obama would have responded differently if it had been a black college student? I'm not trying to start anything here, just curious what others think. And if you think his response would have been the same regardless, I can respect that. Just curious if others think there might have been implicit bias against Otto. Just look at some of the responses here for examples.
You're just asking questions, eh?
Anonymous
06/20/2017 07:36
Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents wanted to put a yellow ribbon around their tree in their yard. Were told no by the Obama administration
Well, they definitely did tell the parents to "lay low."
Maybe for a good reason? Ya think?
In the words of Fred Warmbier.... “The results speak for themselves.”
We simply cannot capitulate to a brutal regime.
Which is why there is both a bipartisan proposal in the House, as well as a proposal by the Trump administration, to restrict travel by US citizens to North Korea.
Anonymous
06/20/2017 07:36
Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents wanted to put a yellow ribbon around their tree in their yard. Were told no by the Obama administration
That would go along with Obama's ridiculous mindset - don't do anything that bullies will interpret as criticism. Any 1st grader knows that bullies see that as weakness, and go after their victims even more.
Tough but serious question here: do you think Obama would have responded differently if it had been a black college student? I'm not trying to start anything here, just curious what others think. And if you think his response would have been the same regardless, I can respect that. Just curious if others think there might have been implicit bias against Otto. Just look at some of the responses here for examples.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE!
Everytime you post sh1t like this you sound like a bitter racist who HATED that Obama, a black man, was in the White House. So just SFTU.
Anonymous
06/20/2017 07:34
Subject: Re:UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pathetic that the Washington Post is now asking us to be sympathetic to the North Koreans suffering under their own fucking dictatorship. Maybe they ought to have enough courage, brains and balls to depose their dictator rather than glorifying him.
If their lives are so miserable, let's help them out and bomb them into oblivion. They deserve it, the miserable pieces of shit.
Good god. Pick up a book. Read about their lives. Read about what happens to dissenters. To dissenters family. Then shut up.
Also, they are brainwashed from the time they are toddlers. They truely believe the shit that's fed to them. I agree with PP that you should read some books written by people who lived there. It's a distopian fucked-up society and the citizens don't even realize it.
All the more reason their elimination from the planet would be a net gain, as they are beyond help or salvaging. The world would be much better without them.
You're advocating mass murder.
I think he's trolling. Just ignore him.
Why can't the United States retaliate when its citizen is brutally murdered by a hostile regime in the prime of his life?
If we start a war every time an American citizen is held prisoner by a non-democratic government, we would be in several wars at once. We have Americans wrongfully detained in Egypt, Iran and Venezuela, just to name a few.
And Trump hasn't done anything to free these American prisoners. Why not?
+1
What a lazy f-ing sloth.
Anonymous
06/20/2017 07:33
Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents wanted to put a yellow ribbon around their tree in their yard. Were told no by the Obama administration
That would go along with Obama's ridiculous mindset - don't do anything that bullies will interpret as criticism. Any 1st grader knows that bullies see that as weakness, and go after their victims even more.
Tough but serious question here: do you think Obama would have responded differently if it had been a black college student? I'm not trying to start anything here, just curious what others think. And if you think his response would have been the same regardless, I can respect that. Just curious if others think there might have been implicit bias against Otto. Just look at some of the responses here for examples.
Anonymous
06/20/2017 07:32
Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents wanted to put a yellow ribbon around their tree in their yard. Were told no by the Obama administration
Well, they definitely did tell the parents to "lay low."
Maybe for a good reason? Ya think?
Ya....not to draw attention to Obama's inability to get hostages out (unless they're traitors and can be used to release five terrorists).
Anonymous
06/20/2017 07:31
Subject: Re:UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:I bet he did attempt to hang himself. Any external signs (ligature marks) would have long healed since it happened in April 2016. And it's definitely possible that he wouldn't have sustained damage to his spine that would still be apparent on x-ray.
By all accounts he was REALLY goal-oriented and unusually career and future-oriented. His friends said he was known for being that way.
Suddenly he lost all of that. There was no graduating from college, let alone getting a job in finance or the CIA or whatever. It makes complete sense that he would respond by trying to kill himself. After all he was still a young guy. Frontal lobe not fully formed. Still in that impulsive stage of youth. He lost everything. Not surprising at all he would attempt to kill himself.
Then he was stable (although unresponsive) for a year and then for some reason NK decided "hey this guy isn't getting better, in fact he's looking worse. We need to ship him back".
And so he arrived on US soil and either the trip was traumatic and he developed pneumonia (very likely given he's not clearly his own secretions, etc and people in a vegetative state actually need a lot of day-to-day care to remain healthy and certainly he was getting none or less of this on a airplane)
OR somehow subconsciously his body knew he was "home" and allowed him to pass on (also not unreasonable as sick and even unconscious people hang on all the time until they say goodbye to the right family member or whatever).
This sounds feasible.
Anonymous
06/20/2017 07:30
Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents wanted to put a yellow ribbon around their tree in their yard. Were told no by the Obama administration
Well, they definitely did tell the parents to "lay low."
Maybe for a good reason? Ya think?
In the words of Fred Warmbier.... “The results speak for themselves.”
We simply cannot capitulate to a brutal regime.
Anonymous
06/20/2017 07:28
Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents wanted to put a yellow ribbon around their tree in their yard. Were told no by the Obama administration
Well, they definitely did tell the parents to "lay low."
Maybe for a good reason? Ya think?
Anonymous
06/20/2017 07:15
Subject: UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents wanted to put a yellow ribbon around their tree in their yard. Were told no by the Obama administration
Well, they definitely did tell the parents to "lay low."