Anonymous
Post 01/12/2017 16:08     Subject: Russians Compromising Trump
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's obvious Steele is some broken down failure as an MI 6 agent if he ever was really that who is playing on that reputation as public relations to get clients. He's got a two man operation, for christ sake, working out of a condo or something. The over inflated description of the services he claims to provide is like Robert Ludlum wrote it. Who is this guy, Kroll? I don't think so.

I think Steele is a failed MI6 agent who, to make a living, is a small time scammer. Every now and then he gets a "live" client who doesn't really want the truth, just wants some smear material with plausible deniability, whether it's true or false or totally fabricated doesn't matter.

Nothing Steele has ever done has gotten anywhere this much attention and heat, so now he's panicked and "gone to ground." He finally scammed and scammed and scammed and now has to answer for it, and can't. The claim that he fears for his life is ludicrous.


The available evidence suggests exactly the opposite of what you are saying. He apparently had a very good record in MI6. He was also very important in the FIFA investigation and, as a result, established his credibility with the FBI.


I might be missing something, but I can't see how the available evidence suggests that we give more credence to either one of these views. I haven't seen the FIFA report and I have no idea how good it was or how important it was, but the stories I've read never go beyond saying a report was produced and that the investigation, for whatever reason, caught some officials. I may be mistaken, but nothing says Steele's firm's report was especially key or even helpful. If Steele and co. were particularly adept at finding financial links in particular, that would be especially germane here.

And the first poster above is absolutely right about small time scammers around these businesses. Verification is tough, so it's easier than many think to put one past folks.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2017 16:03     Subject: Russians Compromising Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Trump is no longer of any use to Putin then Putin leaks videos, etc. It destroys Trump and his entire family, as well as GOP leaders. I just pray Putin does so before the reptile takes oath of office.


That's the interesting thing for Trump. If any of it is true, Putin will dump this. Probably as a parting fuck you.


Maybe Trump thinks he and Putin are birds of a feather, but alas, they are not. Putin has a much higher approval rating in Russia. Trump is starting out as one of, if not the most, unpopular president. Putin has decades of experience serving his country dealing with leaders from all over the world. This is all old hat to him. For all we know, Putin even puts Russia first. Maybe that's why his people like him. Trump, well, has served Trump. He's a newbie. Putin's too smart to be impressed.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2017 15:59     Subject: Russians Compromising Trump
Anonymous wrote:Trump met with LePen

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/an-existential-moment-for-the-euro-american-alliance/2017/01/05/23407646-d360-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.html?utm_term=.4e302c47e097


This is highly concerning for anyone interested in the world order that includes a European Union and our friends and allies therein.



Yes, and also with Lombardi, who is advising Trump (Bannon) and lives at Trump Tower. And now that we pay for Trump Tower security, we pay for protective services for representatives of far right Italian parties.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/12/marine-le-pen-donald-trump-tower-new-york
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2017 15:58     Subject: Russians Compromising Trump
Anonymous wrote:Trump met with LePen

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/an-existential-moment-for-the-euro-american-alliance/2017/01/05/23407646-d360-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.html?utm_term=.4e302c47e097


This is highly concerning for anyone interested in the world order that includes a European Union and our friends and allies therein.



I think this will backfire on Le Pen. The French do NOT like Trump. He's already become GWB 2.0 in their minds.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2017 15:56     Subject: Russians Compromising Trump
Anonymous wrote:If Trump is no longer of any use to Putin then Putin leaks videos, etc. It destroys Trump and his entire family, as well as GOP leaders. I just pray Putin does so before the reptile takes oath of office.


That's the interesting thing for Trump. If any of it is true, Putin will dump this. Probably as a parting fuck you.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2017 15:53     Subject: Russians Compromising Trump
Anonymous wrote:Trump met with LePen

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/an-existential-moment-for-the-euro-american-alliance/2017/01/05/23407646-d360-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.html?utm_term=.4e302c47e097

This is highly concerning for anyone interested in the world order that includes a European Union and our friends and allies therein.

I think it's very clear that Trump supporters are not interested in any of that. What'll be interesting is the reaction of the people who held their noses and voted for Trump due to taxes or SCOTUS. Many of the former are international businesspeople already. I wonder how they will take to the dissolution of the current world order.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2017 15:51     Subject: Russians Compromising Trump
Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to quote the drivel posted by 15:47, but please recognize it for the complete fabrication that it is.


It's a joke. Just ignore.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2017 15:50     Subject: Russians Compromising Trump
Trump met with LePen

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/an-existential-moment-for-the-euro-american-alliance/2017/01/05/23407646-d360-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.html?utm_term=.4e302c47e097


This is highly concerning for anyone interested in the world order that includes a European Union and our friends and allies therein.

jsteele
Post 01/12/2017 15:49     Subject: Russians Compromising Trump
Anonymous wrote:It's obvious Steele is some broken down failure as an MI 6 agent if he ever was really that who is playing on that reputation as public relations to get clients. He's got a two man operation, for christ sake, working out of a condo or something. The over inflated description of the services he claims to provide is like Robert Ludlum wrote it. Who is this guy, Kroll? I don't think so.

I think Steele is a failed MI6 agent who, to make a living, is a small time scammer. Every now and then he gets a "live" client who doesn't really want the truth, just wants some smear material with plausible deniability, whether it's true or false or totally fabricated doesn't matter.

Nothing Steele has ever done has gotten anywhere this much attention and heat, so now he's panicked and "gone to ground." He finally scammed and scammed and scammed and now has to answer for it, and can't. The claim that he fears for his life is ludicrous.


The available evidence suggests exactly the opposite of what you are saying. He apparently had a very good record in MI6. He was also very important in the FIFA investigation and, as a result, established his credibility with the FBI.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2017 15:49     Subject: Russians Compromising Trump
I'm not going to quote the drivel posted by 15:47, but please recognize it for the complete fabrication that it is.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2017 15:47     Subject: Russians Compromising Trump
It's obvious Steele is some broken down failure as an MI 6 agent if he ever was really that who is playing on that reputation as public relations to get clients. He's got a two man operation, for christ sake, working out of a condo or something. The over inflated description of the services he claims to provide is like Robert Ludlum wrote it. Who is this guy, Kroll? I don't think so.

I think Steele is a failed MI6 agent who, to make a living, is a small time scammer. Every now and then he gets a "live" client who doesn't really want the truth, just wants some smear material with plausible deniability, whether it's true or false or totally fabricated doesn't matter.

Nothing Steele has ever done has gotten anywhere this much attention and heat, so now he's panicked and "gone to ground." He finally scammed and scammed and scammed and now has to answer for it, and can't. The claim that he fears for his life is ludicrous.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2017 15:46     Subject: Re:Russians Compromising Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So... maybe we could drop the adolescent banter about golden showers for a few minutes, and actually become informed about the author of the dossier.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/12/intelligence-sources-vouch-credibility-donald-trump-russia-dossier-author


Do you remember when Evan McMullin was talking about the memo? His opinion of the memo-writer was the same.

The MI6 guy's record is stellar:

"The former Foreign Office official, who has known Steele for 25 years and considers him a friend, said: “The idea his work is fake or a cowboy operation is false – completely untrue. Chris is an experienced and highly regarded professional. He’s not the sort of person who will simply pass on gossip.”

The official added: “If he puts something in a report, he believes there’s sufficient credibility in it for it to be worth considering. Chris is a very straight guy. He could not have survived in the job he was in if he had been prone to flights of fancy or doing things in an ill-considered way.”

That is the way the CIA and the FBI, not to mention the British government, regarded him, too. It’s not hard to see why.

A Cambridge graduate, Steele was one of the more eminent Russia specialists for the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6). The Guardian understands that he focused on Soviet affairs after joining the agency, and spent two years living in Moscow in the early 1990s."


Since he is scared for his life (from Moscow), and has good contacts in FBI and CIA (he worked with them before), I think he will make his way over here and spill all the beans.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2017 15:45     Subject: Re:Russians Compromising Trump
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:This just came across Twitter:

https://twitter.com/hdevreij/status/819613333028564994

"Dutch newspaper @telegraaf says it has spoken to a witness of Donald Trump's alleged sexual escapades in the Ritz Carlton. More tomorrow..."

The tweet is from a Dutch journalist (though not a journalist with De Telegraaf) who says "tomorrow's" edition will be published in about 6 hours from now.



https://twitter.com/hdevreij/status/819632097375768576

He took it back. Hoax.


Okay, that's weird. Either somebody wanted a couple seconds of internet fame, or the witness bolted.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2017 15:44     Subject: Re:Russians Compromising Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
This from Russia Today:

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/373493-trump-deep-state-russia-tillerson/

'Deep State' wins… Trump is being tamed to toe the line


I see Flint getting mad at Mattis...
I see a video being leaked soon...

I suppose that might be what US politics looks like to those on the outside. But that article was pretty silly.

Agreed. What a lot of b.s. This line is my favorite:

"Trump’s electioneering based on restoring more balanced foreign relations, in particular toward Russia, probably won him many votes from American citizens who are sick and tired of decades-old warmongering. "

Because we all know that Trump's supporters are the peace-loving, non-militaristic types, right?

You are totally missing the point. This is not about whether the article is accurate, it's about the RT painting Trump as sympathetic to Russia and being tamed by American elites.

Trump is being used as a prop for Russian propaganda as a way of discrediting the American democracy. And even unsubstantiated questions about his allegiances gives this idea more weight. The truth truly does not matter anymore, the damage is done.


In addition to what PP said above, with which I agree, I would also highlight that many who voted for Trump did so also because they thought "Clinton was going to get us in another war". Because he lies so much, he managed to get votes from both pro-war and against-war types.
Anyhow, I am actually happy that Pence's appointee Mattis (who appropriately has already got into fights with pro-Russia traitor Flint) will not cozy up to Russia, Trump or no Trump.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2017 15:44     Subject: Re:Russians Compromising Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:This just came across Twitter:

https://twitter.com/hdevreij/status/819613333028564994

"Dutch newspaper @telegraaf says it has spoken to a witness of Donald Trump's alleged sexual escapades in the Ritz Carlton. More tomorrow..."

The tweet is from a Dutch journalist (though not a journalist with De Telegraaf) who says "tomorrow's" edition will be published in about 6 hours from now.

This is like someone telling you that a trainwreck is about to happen. You really, really don't want to see it, but now you have 6 hours to imagine what it might look like. And my brain will never be the same again.


Really hope that something substantial and verifiable is brought to light (although I certainly don't want to watch it). But if the salacious pieces of the dossier are verified, maybe that will lend more credence to the financial ties as well.

Also, I could be mistaken here since they've given Trump so much leeway on so much corruption and debauchery, but I can see middle America taking a "meh" view of a golden shower fetish.


Just like the 13 year old DCUM was so sure Trump had raped..only to find it was fake news.
not fake news, poor victim was intimidated or paid to disappear. ..I still believe she was raped