Anonymous
04/30/2014 22:06
Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The way I used to like it? It was a mess then, and now it will be worse because the fix it ...wait for it....more government intervention. Aces.
Ask any public educator how much money they need to fix the problem. They won't be able to answer honesty. Because no amount of money they throw at it has fixed it so far, and all they can say is 'we need more"...
GET THE GOVERNMENT'S HANDS OFF THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS!!!!!!!!
No, wait...
Keep it much more local - the farther government gets from the children and teachers, the worse things get.
Have they fixed education yet? How long before they do?
Anonymous
04/30/2014 21:49
Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
will read legitimate news or commentators; Glenn Beck is not such a source. He has proven himself not worthy of thinking people's time.
How would you know if you won't listen to him?
Anonymous
04/30/2014 21:35
Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
I'm so sorry, I am not going to click on the Glenn Beck website; certainly not to "debunk myths". Please.
Funny. I thought liberals were "open minded".
Anonymous
04/30/2014 21:35
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Free chapter from a book that discusses and critiques Common Core, debunks the myths, etc:
http://www.glennbeck.com/publish/uploads/2014/04/Conform-Ch-15.pdf
I'm so sorry, I am not going to click on the Glenn Beck website; certainly not to "debunk myths". Please.
Very telling.
I click on Mother Jones articles, even as a conservative. Guess we know where your biases lie and that you don't want to even consider a different point of view.
Please tell me you are not a teacher.
Glenn Beck makes it his life's mission to spread misinformation, with vague comments spreading Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
I will read legitimate news or commentators; Glenn Beck is not such a source. He has proven himself not worthy of thinking people's time.
Anonymous
04/30/2014 21:33
Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
The computer, as in the school computer, yes? What happens in middle school when that's not feasible? Same thing that happened in the upper grades of elementary school when it wasn't feasible. It was denied because the computer was not in the classroom.
Any and all writing had to be typed. He simply cannot think and write at the same time without a serious drop in productivity and quality. He was still told he was being lazy. We moved him to private where laptops were standard fare. Guess what. They forgot he even HAD a learning disability.
What was a big deal in the publics was not even a thought in the private. No comparison
My son was in public school. His teachers preferred him to use the computer rather than to decipher his handwriting.
Anonymous
04/30/2014 19:25
Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:
The way I used to like it? It was a mess then, and now it will be worse because the fix it ...wait for it....more government intervention. Aces.
Ask any public educator how much money they need to fix the problem. They won't be able to answer honesty. Because no amount of money they throw at it has fixed it so far, and all they can say is 'we need more"...
So you are complaining about states choosing to have common standards, because they suck; compared to the way things used to be, which you also say, sucked, because it was too damn much government intervention in the public schools.
So you aren't really opposed to Common Core at all -- you are opposed to public schools, because they are sucking the taxpayers dry, and show nothing for it.
So you would support a return to what...? No standards, no taxes, no public schools?
Dame schools perhaps? Send the kids down the street to Widow Clancy, who will teach them their ABCs and 123s for a little egg money?
Anonymous
04/30/2014 18:34
Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:
The way I used to like it? It was a mess then, and now it will be worse because the fix it ...wait for it....more government intervention. Aces.
Ask any public educator how much money they need to fix the problem. They won't be able to answer honesty. Because no amount of money they throw at it has fixed it so far, and all they can say is 'we need more"...
GET THE GOVERNMENT'S HANDS OFF THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS!!!!!!!!
No, wait...
Anonymous
04/30/2014 18:34
Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yes, my nephews have IEPs and I know other students with IEPs. Can you explain why, in different schools in different states, the issues have been the same, i.e. teachers ignoring IEPs, administration not backing IEPs, etc?
Maybe because IEPs can be a headache for schools and teachers? I'm not any of the PPs, but that seems like a reasonable explanation to me.
And I don't understand what this has to do with Common Core standards. Are you saying that there shouldn't be standards because schools and teachers often ignore IEPs?
IEPs are legally binding. It's another implementation failure.
When schools and teachers ignore IEPs, it's an implementation failure of the Common Core?
What if the schools and teachers ignoring IEPs are in Virginia, or Texas, or Alaska? Is that an implementation failure of the Common Core too?
It shows how poorly public schools do at implementation. Given ignoring IEPs is illegal and all....
So, your worry is for naught!
Public schools will find implementing Common Core to be difficult, so they will ignore Common Core state standards, same as they ignore IEPS.... so you have nothing to worry about right? They will just continue using their old state standards....everything will be back the way you used to like it.
The way I used to like it? It was a mess then, and now it will be worse because the fix it ...wait for it....more government intervention. Aces.
Ask any public educator how much money they need to fix the problem. They won't be able to answer honesty. Because no amount of money they throw at it has fixed it so far, and all they can say is 'we need more"...
Anonymous
04/30/2014 18:31
Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, it seems that a lot of the IEPs are written by specialists who spend little time with the kid. They are just outlining what the classroom teacher should do. Some of them can be quite unrealistic in expectations. They should be honest.
I'm sorry to have to break this to you, but IEPs are written by specialists who do very specific testing. When my son is told his dysgraphic dysfunction is so profound, that his IQ drops 40+ points when he tries to take notes, and can be 100% fixed by simply typing on a computer, and the publics refuse him the use of that computer (that we provide so it doesn't cost them a dime), that is not 'simply outlining what a classroom teacher can do'.
They are unrealistic in their expectations, why? We were told because 'it wasn't fair to the other students that my son gets to use a laptop'. That's not unrealistic, that is stupid PC behavior.
That is not a legally correct statement for them to make. My son has a 504 plan, not even an IEP, and was allowed to put on it that he may type all assignments! You need an advocate or a lawyer, to help your son get the accommodations he is legally entitled to.
Exactly. He is now in college. We moved him to private. I am not willing to entrust my kids' education to people who can't even follow the law.
Anonymous
04/30/2014 18:30
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Where did the worksheets come from?
We have had many confusing worksheets come home from school in the past. Never in private. Why does this happen in publics but not in privates? How CAN this happen? If I did this to a customer, there would be hell to pay.
Usually the worksheets have a copyright or identifying information on them. I would hope that people who are taking pictures of confusing worksheets and posting them online would include contact information to the publishers of those worksheets to they can fix the problems, or so people can know not to purchase from those publishers!
I have sent my kids to both private (Catholic) and public (PG County) schools and we have seldom had any problems with the worksheets, personally.
Who gives out the worksheets? The teachers. Why would a teacher hand out a poorly written worksheet? What parent would NOT balk at that?
Anonymous
04/30/2014 18:28
Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:cont. Son is now college graduate and still prefers to use computer. I guess math is the only time he really had to use pencil and paper. His writing is still terrible.
You do understand that with dysgraphic dysfunction his writing always will be terrible, right? For life? My husband is 51 and still has terrible writing. He can't help it.
Anonymous
04/30/2014 18:28
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Free chapter from a book that discusses and critiques Common Core, debunks the myths, etc:
http://www.glennbeck.com/publish/uploads/2014/04/Conform-Ch-15.pdf
I'm so sorry, I am not going to click on the Glenn Beck website; certainly not to "debunk myths". Please.
Very telling.
I click on Mother Jones articles, even as a conservative. Guess we know where your biases lie and that you don't want to even consider a different point of view.
Please tell me you are not a teacher.
Anonymous
04/30/2014 18:27
Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:To the mom with the child with dysgraphia: My son had no formal plan, but he did have the same problem. His teachers did allow the use of the computer whenever practical. FWIW, I'm the teacher who was criticized for criticizing the specialists.
The computer, as in the school computer, yes? What happens in middle school when that's not feasible? Same thing that happened in the upper grades of elementary school when it wasn't feasible. It was denied because the computer was not in the classroom.
Any and all writing had to be typed. He simply cannot think and write at the same time without a serious drop in productivity and quality. He was still told he was being lazy. We moved him to private where laptops were standard fare. Guess what. They forgot he even HAD a learning disability.
What was a big deal in the publics was not even a thought in the private. No comparison
Anonymous
04/30/2014 18:21
Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
cont. Son is now college graduate and still prefers to use computer. I guess math is the only time he really had to use pencil and paper. His writing is still terrible.
Anonymous
04/30/2014 18:20
Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
To the mom with the child with dysgraphia: My son had no formal plan, but he did have the same problem. His teachers did allow the use of the computer whenever practical. FWIW, I'm the teacher who was criticized for criticizing the specialists.