Anonymous
11/13/2021 18:09
Subject: Re:Lockdown at Blair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yup. Look at the high schools hurting the most without SROs now. Yup..they're the ones with majority black and brown kids. Truth.
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Schools like Whitman and Churchill?
My kid goes to a non W school and I'm black. The answer to your question is no. Don't roll your eyes at me.
You entirely missed the point. Look at the racial make up of some of the self-segregating W schools.
The schools suffering the most whether you want to admit it or not are high FARMs schools with a significant number of high needs students coming from unstable environments. And yes, we do have some gangs in our schools. We need our SROs back. Black and brown kids want to be safe too. I don't want to see another text from my child while at school telling me how scared she is.
No, we don't need SROs back and Black and Brown kids don't feel safe around them. We need more guards, counselors etc... and call the police when it is ABSOLUTELY necessary.
You want SROs back so Ian and Madison can feel safe. You could not care less about the well being of Black and Brown kids.
You are repeating the same old sad story like when y'all pretending you wanted school open in person for the well being of poor Black and Brown kids, please.
Stop making this about race. All kids deserve to feel safe, not just those of specific skin colors you choose as your talking points.
What is the difference if we have SRO's or security guards? They are basically the same thing. But, bottomline is they are NOT providing more funding for more security guards or counselors and the SRO's are probably funded by the police vs. MCPS.
And, bring in more security will make things physically safer but you still aren't addressing the underlying problems. Schools have counselors and security guards and are having these issues. There is more to it.
Then why are you so insisting on SROs? Especially since most minorities don't feel safe around them? Because you don't care about them. It's as simple as that.
Guards, counselors, therapists in; SROs out.
Anonymous
11/13/2021 18:05
Subject: Re:Lockdown at Blair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yup. Look at the high schools hurting the most without SROs now. Yup..they're the ones with majority black and brown kids. Truth.
.
Schools like Whitman and Churchill?
My kid goes to a non W school and I'm black. The answer to your question is no. Don't roll your eyes at me.
You entirely missed the point. Look at the racial make up of some of the self-segregating W schools.
The schools suffering the most whether you want to admit it or not are high FARMs schools with a significant number of high needs students coming from unstable environments. And yes, we do have some gangs in our schools. We need our SROs back. Black and brown kids want to be safe too. I don't want to see another text from my child while at school telling me how scared she is.
No, we don't need SROs back and Black and Brown kids don't feel safe around them. We need more guards, counselors etc... and call the police when it is ABSOLUTELY necessary.
You want SROs back so Ian and Madison can feel safe. You could not care less about the well being of Black and Brown kids.
You are repeating the same old sad story like when y'all pretending you wanted school open in person for the well being of poor Black and Brown kids, please.
For the love of God, PLEASE stop talking on behalf of all black people. I'm.black and my kid is black. We are not Madison or Ian and we want SROs back. You do not know what it's like to get text messages from your child begging for us to pick her up from school because of rumors that some gang fight is about to start or because she's scared from going through another lockdown.
Betcha $50 PPP is white and speaking for POC. Which makes it even more rich.
And PP, I’m sorry you have to deal with that.
Anonymous
11/13/2021 18:03
Subject: Re:Lockdown at Blair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yup. Look at the high schools hurting the most without SROs now. Yup..they're the ones with majority black and brown kids. Truth.
.
Schools like Whitman and Churchill?
My kid goes to a non W school and I'm black. The answer to your question is no. Don't roll your eyes at me.
You entirely missed the point. Look at the racial make up of some of the self-segregating W schools.
The schools suffering the most whether you want to admit it or not are high FARMs schools with a significant number of high needs students coming from unstable environments. And yes, we do have some gangs in our schools. We need our SROs back. Black and brown kids want to be safe too. I don't want to see another text from my child while at school telling me how scared she is.
No, we don't need SROs back and Black and Brown kids don't feel safe around them. We need more guards, counselors etc... and call the police when it is ABSOLUTELY necessary.
You want SROs back so Ian and Madison can feel safe. You could not care less about the well being of Black and Brown kids.
You are repeating the same old sad story like when y'all pretending you wanted school open in person for the well being of poor Black and Brown kids, please.
For the love of God, PLEASE stop talking on behalf of all black people. I'm.black and my kid is black. We are not Madison or Ian and we want SROs back. You do not know what it's like to get text messages from your child begging for us to pick her up from school because of rumors that some gang fight is about to start or because she's scared from going through another lockdown.
Anonymous
11/13/2021 17:53
Subject: Re:Lockdown at Blair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yup. Look at the high schools hurting the most without SROs now. Yup..they're the ones with majority black and brown kids. Truth.
.
Schools like Whitman and Churchill?
My kid goes to a non W school and I'm black. The answer to your question is no. Don't roll your eyes at me.
You entirely missed the point. Look at the racial make up of some of the self-segregating W schools.
The schools suffering the most whether you want to admit it or not are high FARMs schools with a significant number of high needs students coming from unstable environments. And yes, we do have some gangs in our schools. We need our SROs back. Black and brown kids want to be safe too. I don't want to see another text from my child while at school telling me how scared she is.
No, we don't need SROs back and Black and Brown kids don't feel safe around them. We need more guards, counselors etc... and call the police when it is ABSOLUTELY necessary.
You want SROs back so Ian and Madison can feel safe. You could not care less about the well being of Black and Brown kids.
You are repeating the same old sad story like when y'all pretending you wanted school open in person for the well being of poor Black and Brown kids, please.
Stop making this about race. All kids deserve to feel safe, not just those of specific skin colors you choose as your talking points.
What is the difference if we have SRO's or security guards? They are basically the same thing. But, bottomline is they are NOT providing more funding for more security guards or counselors and the SRO's are probably funded by the police vs. MCPS.
And, bring in more security will make things physically safer but you still aren't addressing the underlying problems. Schools have counselors and security guards and are having these issues. There is more to it.
Anonymous
11/13/2021 17:50
Subject: Re:Lockdown at Blair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yup. Look at the high schools hurting the most without SROs now. Yup..they're the ones with majority black and brown kids. Truth.
.
Schools like Whitman and Churchill?
My kid goes to a non W school and I'm black. The answer to your question is no. Don't roll your eyes at me.
You entirely missed the point. Look at the racial make up of some of the self-segregating W schools.
The schools suffering the most whether you want to admit it or not are high FARMs schools with a significant number of high needs students coming from unstable environments. And yes, we do have some gangs in our schools. We need our SROs back. Black and brown kids want to be safe too. I don't want to see another text from my child while at school telling me how scared she is.
No, we don't need SROs back and Black and Brown kids don't feel safe around them. We need more guards, counselors etc... and call the police when it is ABSOLUTELY necessary.
You want SROs back so Ian and Madison can feel safe. You could not care less about the well being of Black and Brown kids.
You are repeating the same old sad story like when y'all pretending you wanted school open in person for the well being of poor Black and Brown kids, please.
Anonymous
11/13/2021 17:35
Subject: Re:Lockdown at Blair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How many times were kids arrested at school? Of those, what were the reasons for the arrest? only with this info can we determine if black kids are unfairly targeted. Why is this info not published anywhere?
People love to ignore the data because it does not support their agenda. Bottom line only 3% of arrests at MCPS were initiated by SROs.
- only 27 physical arrests out of 269 were made in 2019-2020. Physical arrests are only for serious crimes like felonies, gang activity, hate crimes, etc
- the remainder of the "arrests" are "on paper" which means the student is detained by MCPS in the office and the SRO is called. He/she then issues a citation that does not go on the student's record and they are referred for counseling or other restorative outcome
- Only 3% of the arrests are initiated by SROs if they see serious crimes occurring; the rest are initiated by MCPS
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf
Based on this data, I don't see a trend that supports the school-to-prison pipeline at MCPS.
Who do you think calls the cops for the other 97%?
Why do I have to think when it's right there in the document. It says that 97% were initiated by MCPS administrators, MCPS security, and parents. Reading is fundamental. I even summarized it above.
Sorry I missed that. But thanks for showing that SRO’s are not necessary and statistically useless. Clearly administrators, parents and security are all we need
And that is what we have now and it’s not working.
So as an anti-SRO, you now can admit that SRO's are not in the schools to send kids to prison. In fact, they are there to provide a multitude of other services which are NO longer being done today because the reality is admin, parents, and security are not trained nor do they have the time to do the job that the SROs were doing. That is why we now have surpassed the number of calls to the police due to assaults at MCPS in these past 2 months than the entire 2019-2020 school year. Let's stop with this bullsh*t and start acting like grown adults. Bring the SROs back. Our kids are suffering.
Well now that we know SRO's don't need police powers since they are not policing. Hire somebody with an education/child psychology background to do the job.
You guys are insane. "Let's get rid of SRO's because they are arresting kids too much." And then when that's proven wrong, "Then get rid of them because they can't get the job done."
WTF.
Why don't you guys do a little more research and talk to the principals and staff and ask them what SROs are doing in addition to maintaining a safe environment at the school. Ours were at practically every event and were viewed as role models for students, especially those that didn't have a father figure in their life. Ours was a trusted person in the community, knew what was really going on- if a fight was brewing, etc. and was able to prevent terrible things to happen. Ours was at the food distribution sites helping deliver food during the pandemic. No, they are not psychologists but the role they served was valuable. Ask a Psychologist if they want to do the job of an SRO. Good luck with that one.
Research studies show that when SROs are present, more arrests are made. It may be that school staff are initiating the arrests, it may also be that they seek arrest because the SRO is there. The SRO program is basically an invitation to administrators to criminalize nonviolent student behavior (the increases in arrests are in minor offenses like disorderly conduct) instead of dealing with it themselves. And maybe that's because they don't have the resources/appropriate polices to discipline students, but that is no excuse for arresting them instead.
The research doesn't support what's happening at MCPS. At MCPS, the number of "physical arrests" which are for violent, serious crimes was 27 out of a total 269 arrests. The remaining arrests do not go on a student's record and simply results in a citation for counseling. And remember only 3% of the 269 were initiated by SROs. To abolish this program without a proper implementation plan is a huge sign of irresponsibility on the part of the County. We should've listened to more voices and reviewed and analyzed the data. We should be looking at other local counties such as Howard County to see what they're doing there.
You see that as proof that the SRO program is working, I see it as a sign that students are having criminal justice involvement for things that should be handled by the schools. The schools aren't doing their job, guess what, students of color and advocates for them are fighting back and saying they don't want to be harassed by police anymore. I get it, you are White and do not care. That doesn't change their reality.
In MCPS, the majority at many schools are POC so you need to look at actual statistics of each school as if you have 75% POC, then, by % there should be a higher number.
The majority of students are POC, right? Therefore they decided that they don't want SROs. They don't feel safe around them. It's not about what you want. It's about what they want.
End of story
And, where is that documented? It wasn’t so stop speaking for others.
Where is what is documented? You think black and brown kids feel safe around SROs?
Stop targeting people by race. You sound racist. What is your solution? Where is all the documentation?
Racists like you wouldn't know about black and brown kids plights.
Racist use skin color as talking points. Just like they do the poor kids. And, those kids are the most at risk for violence. Who is protecting them?
So, what is your real proposal to keep kids safe regardless of skin color?
Are you willing to volunteer at a school weekly as security?
Like you're doing. Since when you care about black and brown kids? You don't care about black and brown kids plights. Don't pretend to care about them when all you care is for Ian and Madison to feel safe.
I care and have done far more than you. But, I am not going to victimize anyone. What have you done? What is you fix? You only ramble as to being a savior but you have done nothing to save them.
What is your fix? These kids who misbehave are not going to be fixed by a one time chat. If you actually worked with them and spent time with them you’d know that. It states in elementary school and at home. But, it’s easier to blame than fix you.
No, you don't. You victimize them since you belittle and don't care about their plights.
So, instead of coming up with solutions, you offering to volunteer or work in a helping profession you just use your same talking points making these kids victims. No wonder we have so many problems. You don’t even have any ideas or suggestions. Nice. Try spending some time with these kids. You might learn something.
We have so many problems because of people like you who refuse to acknowledge that we have a systematic problem with police in this country, who like the status quo and who would love to return to the 1950s.
In Montgomery County, we have so many problems because the activists refuse to acknowledge the good that police do, especially for lower income communities where crime is more prevalent. We have so many problems because activists think police are exactly the same in 2021 as they were in 1971.
You have succeeded in removing police from many areas, and the result is a crime increase. Specifically, a violent crime increase. And who's it hurting the most? People of color.
We are an intelligent county. I don't see why people refuse to put their brains to work and figure out improvements rather than eradication.
Yup. Look at the high schools hurting the most without SROs now. Yup..they're the ones with majority black and brown kids. Truth.
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Which High schools are they?
Umm let see, Churchill?
Anonymous
11/13/2021 17:35
Subject: Re:Lockdown at Blair?
I care and have done far more than you. But, I am not going to victimize anyone. What have you done? What is you fix? You only ramble as to being a savior but you have done nothing to save them.
What is your fix? These kids who misbehave are not going to be fixed by a one time chat. If you actually worked with them and spent time with them you’d know that. It states in elementary school and at home. But, it’s easier to blame than fix you.
No, you don't. You victimize them since you belittle and don't care about their plights.
So, instead of coming up with solutions, you offering to volunteer or work in a helping profession you just use your same talking points making these kids victims. No wonder we have so many problems. You don’t even have any ideas or suggestions. Nice. Try spending some time with these kids. You might learn something.
We have so many problems because of people like you who refuse to acknowledge that we have a systematic problem with police in this country, who like the status quo and who would love to return to the 1950s.
In Montgomery County, we have so many problems because the activists refuse to acknowledge the good that police do, especially for lower income communities where crime is more prevalent. We have so many problems because activists think police are exactly the same in 2021 as they were in 1971.
You have succeeded in removing police from many areas, and the result is a crime increase. Specifically, a violent crime increase. And who's it hurting the most? People of color.
We are an intelligent county. I don't see why people refuse to put their brains to work and figure out improvements rather than eradication.
Students misbehaving at school have nothing to do with any of this. Spend some time with these kids to understand them better vs. spewing your rants. These kids act up in school because they cannot do the work. Some cannot read, write or do basic math. Others have miserable home lives where their needs aren't getting met so they look elsewhere. This has nothing to do with racism or much else. As a county and society, WE failed to meet these kids needs in MCPS when they were young. We as parents (well, not all as some of our kids are thriving) failed to get them the help they needed and give them the attention and support they needed.
We are 70 year PAST the 50's. Stop with the blame game and do your part. We cannot even get parents to act responsibly and wear masks and support masking in the schools let alone be attentive parents. And, this has nothing to do with race or class as you have bad parents in every group.
So, back to the question. What are you recommending be done? What are you willing to do to be part of the solution?
Some of us have spent many years working with these kids. Its not as simple as offering counseling in high school to stop the bad behavior. You need to catch this young and get these kids needs met.
But your last sentence says it all, much more money and resources need to be devoted to helping them while young. The implication here is that it's too late to be able to do much once they're in middle and high school. I'm fairly certain the data backs this up, namely that we are spending tremendous resources on these kids in middle/high school with very few positive outcomes.
I've seen positive outcomes with kids I've worked with but it took a huge commitment from the adults and getting them a neuropsych, therapy, tutors and much more to get them back on track. These kids need adults who believe in them. But, very few kids get that level of support to be successful. We need to catch learning disorders in K-1st. We need to catch mental health and behavior issues and provide support as soon as they start. We need to stop socially passing kids and create more programs so they can get the help and support they need so they can graduate and have a future. We need to make sure every child can read, write and do basic math before leaving elementary school. But, our schools are too large and don't have the "right" kind of supports to do that. And, many parents believe the schools should handle everything. We need to hire more reading intervention specialists, more SLP's, more OT/PT's. We need to hire behavioral specialists. We need to hire more counselors/social workers. We need to hire more special education teachers. We need to reduce class sizes so teachers have more time to work with all kids. We need to go back to having gifted and honors classes so smart kids don't get bored and check out. We need to meet these kids where they are at and help them be successful.
But, we also need SRO's as we don't have those things and even if we do, there will always be kids who fall in-between the cracks or cannot be helped no matter how hard people try.
And, most importantly, we need parents to be parents. We need parents to partner with the schools (which not all schools allow which is another issue). We need parents to make sure kids show up prepared, do their homework, and help as needed. And, monitor their kids and have consequences for bad behavior.
This isn't an SRO or nothing issue. This is a much bigger and broader issue and even if we bring back the SRO's, the real question is how do we prevent these things from happening.