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Anonymous wrote:Schools will open when it's safe, and they'll remain in DL if it isn't. That's all there is to it.

The problem is "safe" is a relative term. Some would say safe is now-when we effectively flattened the curve in this area. Others think "safe" is when there is this magical vaccine that everyone is so sure we are going to get. In that case "safe" could be in 5-7 years. Are you ok with your kids doing distance learning for 5-7 years?

The curve flattened because we stayed home. Open up schools and it'll turn right back upward again.

You do not know that. Things have been opening now for the past month, and the numbers have continued to go down.

I think the PP is right that the curve flattened because many people stayed home. She is wrong that SCHOOL closures played a major role in that flattening, given that kids aren't really spreading the virus much. Which is why it would make so much sense to open schools, but maintain other precautions in place.

I mean a reason that kids aren't spreading the virus could be that they haven't been in school. Or it could be that they wouldn't have spread it even if they were in school. We really won't know until schools open and kids spend hours together in enclosed spaces, in places where the virus is not contained. We don't know what things will look like in the fall in Montgomery County.

We do know it from the elementary schools in Sweden that never closed, and where infections among kids aren't higher than elsewhere, even if their overall cases are due to their lack of a general lockdown of adult-centered activities. We also know it from the experience with Y camps in the US this summer. And we know it because in all the contact tracing studies they have done, NOT A SINGLE CASE has been found where an adult caught Covid from a kid, or a kid caught it from a kid.

Schools being open should be the default. Closing them should require evidence that kids actually do contribute to the spread. Keeping them closed should certainly not be based on a completely lack of evidence that they do contribute to the spread, and mounting evidence that they do not.

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I mean a reason that kids aren't spreading the virus could be that they haven't been in school. Or it could be that they wouldn't have spread it even if they were in school. We really won't know until schools open and kids spend hours together in enclosed spaces, in places where the virus is not contained. We don't know what things will look like in the fall in Montgomery County.

"We won't know what will happen until we do it" is a statement that applies to basically everything.

We're not using that reasoning to keep other things closed indefinitely, though. Just schools. Why?

Which things are we opening that have 30 people in a room together for hours? People that are unlikely to keep their masks on if they wear them at all?

I honestly don't understand why people believe that kids in the US, uniquely among all kids in the world, are unable to wear masks.

As for things that are open with 30 people in a room together for hours: lots of workplaces that have been open all along.

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I mean a reason that kids aren't spreading the virus could be that they haven't been in school. Or it could be that they wouldn't have spread it even if they were in school. We really won't know until schools open and kids spend hours together in enclosed spaces, in places where the virus is not contained. We don't know what things will look like in the fall in Montgomery County.

"We won't know what will happen until we do it" is a statement that applies to basically everything.

We're not using that reasoning to keep other things closed indefinitely, though. Just schools. Why?

Which things are we opening that have 30 people in a room together for hours? People that are unlikely to keep their masks on if they wear them at all?

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I mean a reason that kids aren't spreading the virus could be that they haven't been in school. Or it could be that they wouldn't have spread it even if they were in school. We really won't know until schools open and kids spend hours together in enclosed spaces, in places where the virus is not contained. We don't know what things will look like in the fall in Montgomery County.

"We won't know what will happen until we do it" is a statement that applies to basically everything.

We're not using that reasoning to keep other things closed indefinitely, though. Just schools. Why?

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Anonymous wrote:Schools will open when it's safe, and they'll remain in DL if it isn't. That's all there is to it.

The problem is "safe" is a relative term. Some would say safe is now-when we effectively flattened the curve in this area. Others think "safe" is when there is this magical vaccine that everyone is so sure we are going to get. In that case "safe" could be in 5-7 years. Are you ok with your kids doing distance learning for 5-7 years?

The curve flattened because we stayed home. Open up schools and it'll turn right back upward again.

You do not know that. Things have been opening now for the past month, and the numbers have continued to go down.

I think the PP is right that the curve flattened because many people stayed home. She is wrong that SCHOOL closures played a major role in that flattening, given that kids aren't really spreading the virus much. Which is why it would make so much sense to open schools, but maintain other precautions in place.

I mean a reason that kids aren't spreading the virus could be that they haven't been in school. Or it could be that they wouldn't have spread it even if they were in school. We really won't know until schools open and kids spend hours together in enclosed spaces, in places where the virus is not contained. We don't know what things will look like in the fall in Montgomery County.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have time to read 50 pages. Is the answer to the OP true, false, or undetermined?

Undetermined.

The Maryland plan for education makes it clear that schools will not reopen normally until a vaccine or cure is found.

So what happens if that's never?

Then naturally-acquired hard immunity.

Sweden already proved that's not a thing. Their scientists swore up-and-down the population would have 40% immunity by May 2020.

You know what they actually received?

6% immunity. Which is why they're doing so poorly.

Sweden's 'herd immunity' hopes are fading as only a small fraction of the population has coronavirus antibodies

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-hopes-fade-for-swedens-herd-immunity-experiment-2020-6

The other concern is that the antibodies fade quickly so you only have the antibodies in your system for a short period of time. However It's possible the body can remake the antibodies if you get exposed again

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/06/chinese-study-antibodies-covid-19-patients-fade-quickly

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Anonymous wrote:Schools will open when it's safe, and they'll remain in DL if it isn't. That's all there is to it.

The problem is "safe" is a relative term. Some would say safe is now-when we effectively flattened the curve in this area. Others think "safe" is when there is this magical vaccine that everyone is so sure we are going to get. In that case "safe" could be in 5-7 years. Are you ok with your kids doing distance learning for 5-7 years?

The curve flattened because we stayed home. Open up schools and it'll turn right back upward again.

You do not know that. Things have been opening now for the past month, and the numbers have continued to go down.

I think the PP is right that the curve flattened because many people stayed home. She is wrong that SCHOOL closures played a major role in that flattening, given that kids aren't really spreading the virus much. Which is why it would make so much sense to open schools, but maintain other precautions in place.

The curve hasn't just flattened in Montgomery County and Maryland. The curve has gone down.

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Anonymous wrote:Schools will open when it's safe, and they'll remain in DL if it isn't. That's all there is to it.

The problem is "safe" is a relative term. Some would say safe is now-when we effectively flattened the curve in this area. Others think "safe" is when there is this magical vaccine that everyone is so sure we are going to get. In that case "safe" could be in 5-7 years. Are you ok with your kids doing distance learning for 5-7 years?

The curve flattened because we stayed home. Open up schools and it'll turn right back upward again.

You do not know that. Things have been opening now for the past month, and the numbers have continued to go down.

I think the PP is right that the curve flattened because many people stayed home. She is wrong that SCHOOL closures played a major role in that flattening, given that kids aren't really spreading the virus much. Which is why it would make so much sense to open schools, but maintain other precautions in place.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have time to read 50 pages. Is the answer to the OP true, false, or undetermined?

Undetermined.

The Maryland plan for education makes it clear that schools will not reopen normally until a vaccine or cure is found.

So what happens if that's never?

Then naturally-acquired hard immunity.

Sweden already proved that's not a thing. Their scientists swore up-and-down the population would have 40% immunity by May 2020.

You know what they actually received?

6% immunity. Which is why they're doing so poorly.

Sweden's 'herd immunity' hopes are fading as only a small fraction of the population has coronavirus antibodies

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-hopes-fade-for-swedens-herd-immunity-experiment-2020-6

So, the virus is actually not all that infectious?

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Anonymous wrote:Schools will open when it's safe, and they'll remain in DL if it isn't. That's all there is to it.

The problem is "safe" is a relative term. Some would say safe is now-when we effectively flattened the curve in this area. Others think "safe" is when there is this magical vaccine that everyone is so sure we are going to get. In that case "safe" could be in 5-7 years. Are you ok with your kids doing distance learning for 5-7 years?

The curve flattened because we stayed home. Open up schools and it'll turn right back upward again.

You do not know that. Things have been opening now for the past month, and the numbers have continued to go down.

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Anonymous wrote:Schools will open when it's safe, and they'll remain in DL if it isn't. That's all there is to it.

The problem is "safe" is a relative term. Some would say safe is now-when we effectively flattened the curve in this area. Others think "safe" is when there is this magical vaccine that everyone is so sure we are going to get. In that case "safe" could be in 5-7 years. Are you ok with your kids doing distance learning for 5-7 years?

The curve flattened because we stayed home. Open up schools and it'll turn right back upward again.

There is literally zero evidence that this will happen, and a pretty broad consensus among experts that schools are NOT major drivers of the spread. Closing them only has minimal impact on spread overall.

Uninformed assumptions like yours are what is going to keep our kids out of school for a while though.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have time to read 50 pages. Is the answer to the OP true, false, or undetermined?

Undetermined.

The Maryland plan for education makes it clear that schools will not reopen normally until a vaccine or cure is found.

So what happens if that's never?

Then naturally-acquired hard immunity.

Sweden already proved that's not a thing. Their scientists swore up-and-down the population would have 40% immunity by May 2020.

You know what they actually received?

6% immunity. Which is why they're doing so poorly.

Sweden's 'herd immunity' hopes are fading as only a small fraction of the population has coronavirus antibodies

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-hopes-fade-for-swedens-herd-immunity-experiment-2020-6

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools will open when it's safe, and they'll remain in DL if it isn't. That's all there is to it.

The problem is "safe" is a relative term. Some would say safe is now-when we effectively flattened the curve in this area. Others think "safe" is when there is this magical vaccine that everyone is so sure we are going to get. In that case "safe" could be in 5-7 years. Are you ok with your kids doing distance learning for 5-7 years?

Even fauci is saying he’s expecting a vaccine by end of year.

He doesn't have all the answers. He can expect anything he wants-we all can. Doesn't mean it will be the reality.

I believe he said he is cautiously optimistic. Don’t read too much into that. There is no certainty.

There is no certainty that we won't get a vaccine either.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have time to read 50 pages. Is the answer to the OP true, false, or undetermined?

Undetermined.

The Maryland plan for education makes it clear that schools will not reopen normally until a vaccine or cure is found.

So what happens if that's never?

Then naturally-acquired hard immunity.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have time to read 50 pages. Is the answer to the OP true, false, or undetermined?

Undetermined.

The Maryland plan for education makes it clear that schools will not reopen normally until a vaccine or cure is found.

So what happens if that's never?