Anonymous
12/24/2018 13:17
Subject: Re:Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is clear, from the posters here and from the statements from the Democrats, that they really have no reasonable argument against a wall. It is all about #resistance and ensuring that Trump is unable to fulfill a promise he made to the American people...
Dems: "Walls don't work."
<They are shown evidence of how successful the wall has been not only in our country, but also other countries>
Dems: "We need other solutions - technology and people."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated he would include other solutions>
Dems: "You can't place a wall along the entire border."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated that there will be places where a wall won't be built>
Dems: "It's too much money."
<"It is less than 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget">
Dems: "You haven't spent all the money already allocated."
<"Neither have many of the agencies allocated money. If that is your criteria for spending, we can talk about some of the social programs you want to fund.>
Dems: "Why have you chosen this hill to die on?"
Nice try, folks. Your strategy is so damned transparent.
Walls don't work. Ask Reagan. Look at the stats. And if you campaign on building a wall that Mexico is going to pay for, then follow through on that promise. I don't think, if Trump had run on a platform of "We are going to spend $30B on a Wall" that conservatives would have supported that.
And ultimately, Trump had control of the House, Senate and White House for the past 2 years and didn't do diddly squat on his wall. In another week, he will have lost his chance. Why didn't the GOP support him when he had the chance? Why didn't he take the $25B when the democrats offered it?
I am betting you weren't even alive during the Reagan years. Walls do work. Statistics bear that out. And, as far as Reagan:
The late President Ronald Reagan’s son, Michael Reagan, warned President Trump that he must act now if he wants to receive funding for a border wall, comments that came just before it was announced Trump would not sign a stopgap funding measure that did not include the $5 billion he’s requested for a border wall.
“Hey @POTUS in 1986 my father made a deal with the Democrats Amnesty for Border Security my father is still waiting,” Michael Reagan tweeted Thursday. “U have no choice its now or never..#BuildTheWallNow.”
The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 allowed any illegal immigrants who had been in the U.S. since 1982 to receive temporary legal status and eventually become eligible for green cards if they learned English.
The legislation also attempted to boost border security by increasing funding for the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the U.S. Border Patrol, although it did not call for a border wall. The measure also sought to crack down on illegal immigration by barring employers from knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.
Since 1986, the number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. has more than doubled from approximately 5 million to approximately 10.7 million as of 2016, Pew Research Center reports.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/michael-reagan-warns-trump-he-must-act-now-on-border-wall
Quoting Michael Reagan is worthless. Reagan's other son, Ron, is a well known liberal, so they cancel each other out.
Bush II got the current border fence that you guys are so happy.about. Democrats weren't big on it, but they worked it out. Bush II, crappy as he was, was a far better negotiator than Mr. Art of the Deal.
Trump is definitely not a master negotiator. He’s actually really bad at his job. The only part of his agenda he got done was the tax cut and that’s because Paul Ryan wanted it. Other than that, Trump could t get his agenda passed with a friendly Congress. He’s the worst President at making compromises and getting his platform through in my lifetime. By this point in his Presidency, Obama had the ACA passed. He’s a lot worse than Obama at running the government and you know he must really hate that fact. The wall was his big thing. Other than the wall “Hillary for jail” was basically his only other campaign promise.
Anonymous
12/24/2018 13:07
Subject: Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So why did you need Dems to put this through? Wouldn't the Republican support have been enough, if the GOP came to agreement and voted en bloc?
Haven't your left-wing sources explained that to you? It takes 60 votes in the Senate.
I am old enough to remember when there was a during the last shutdown on the table for Trump's wall, and Trump rejected it.
So, what excuse would you like to use now?
Anonymous
12/24/2018 13:01
Subject: Re:Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is clear, from the posters here and from the statements from the Democrats, that they really have no reasonable argument against a wall. It is all about #resistance and ensuring that Trump is unable to fulfill a promise he made to the American people...
Dems: "Walls don't work."
<They are shown evidence of how successful the wall has been not only in our country, but also other countries>
Dems: "We need other solutions - technology and people."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated he would include other solutions>
Dems: "You can't place a wall along the entire border."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated that there will be places where a wall won't be built>
Dems: "It's too much money."
<"It is less than 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget">
Dems: "You haven't spent all the money already allocated."
<"Neither have many of the agencies allocated money. If that is your criteria for spending, we can talk about some of the social programs you want to fund.>
Dems: "Why have you chosen this hill to die on?"
Nice try, folks. Your strategy is so damned transparent.
Walls don't work. Ask Reagan. Look at the stats. And if you campaign on building a wall that Mexico is going to pay for, then follow through on that promise. I don't think, if Trump had run on a platform of "We are going to spend $30B on a Wall" that conservatives would have supported that.
And ultimately, Trump had control of the House, Senate and White House for the past 2 years and didn't do diddly squat on his wall. In another week, he will have lost his chance. Why didn't the GOP support him when he had the chance? Why didn't he take the $25B when the democrats offered it?
60 votes in the Senate.
Simple majority if they wanted.
Nope. Not wise for the future. Harry Reid learned that the hard way.
Dems are also taking the long view about what's best for all concerned (i.e., the country) by holding Trump to the fire right now. And the irony is, the hoist is by his own petard -- he set this up, said he could get someone else to pay for it, then said he could find the money elsewhere without the Dems, then said he was "proud" to shut down the government OVER THIs, and he would take full responsibility. Okay. There it is.
And he is melting down all over the place, just in time to be held further accountable when Dems (and subpoena power for additional information) come into charge of the House, and when it sounds like the Mueller report is coming due fairly soon.
He is unfit. He does not need to be emboldened. If the GOP disagrees, they have an option to stop this shutdown (and his panicky rages) right now -- nuclear option. But I think they want to cede responsibility for what has to happen to the Dems, not take responsibility for stopping it.
Anonymous
12/24/2018 12:41
Subject: Re:Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is clear, from the posters here and from the statements from the Democrats, that they really have no reasonable argument against a wall. It is all about #resistance and ensuring that Trump is unable to fulfill a promise he made to the American people...
Dems: "Walls don't work."
<They are shown evidence of how successful the wall has been not only in our country, but also other countries>
Dems: "We need other solutions - technology and people."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated he would include other solutions>
Dems: "You can't place a wall along the entire border."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated that there will be places where a wall won't be built>
Dems: "It's too much money."
<"It is less than 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget">
Dems: "You haven't spent all the money already allocated."
<"Neither have many of the agencies allocated money. If that is your criteria for spending, we can talk about some of the social programs you want to fund.>
Dems: "Why have you chosen this hill to die on?"
Nice try, folks. Your strategy is so damned transparent.
Walls don't work. Ask Reagan. Look at the stats. And if you campaign on building a wall that Mexico is going to pay for, then follow through on that promise. I don't think, if Trump had run on a platform of "We are going to spend $30B on a Wall" that conservatives would have supported that.
And ultimately, Trump had control of the House, Senate and White House for the past 2 years and didn't do diddly squat on his wall. In another week, he will have lost his chance. Why didn't the GOP support him when he had the chance? Why didn't he take the $25B when the democrats offered it?
I am betting you weren't even alive during the Reagan years. Walls do work. Statistics bear that out. And, as far as Reagan:
The late President Ronald Reagan’s son, Michael Reagan, warned President Trump that he must act now if he wants to receive funding for a border wall, comments that came just before it was announced Trump would not sign a stopgap funding measure that did not include the $5 billion he’s requested for a border wall.
“Hey @POTUS in 1986 my father made a deal with the Democrats Amnesty for Border Security my father is still waiting,” Michael Reagan tweeted Thursday. “U have no choice its now or never..#BuildTheWallNow.”
The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 allowed any illegal immigrants who had been in the U.S. since 1982 to receive temporary legal status and eventually become eligible for green cards if they learned English.
The legislation also attempted to boost border security by increasing funding for the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the U.S. Border Patrol, although it did not call for a border wall. The measure also sought to crack down on illegal immigration by barring employers from knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.
Since 1986, the number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. has more than doubled from approximately 5 million to approximately 10.7 million as of 2016, Pew Research Center reports.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/michael-reagan-warns-trump-he-must-act-now-on-border-wall
Quoting Michael Reagan is worthless. Reagan's other son, Ron, is a well known liberal, so they cancel each other out.
Bush II got the current border fence that you guys are so happy.about. Democrats weren't big on it, but they worked it out. Bush II, crappy as he was, was a far better negotiator than Mr. Art of the Deal.
Anonymous
12/24/2018 12:37
Subject: Re:Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is clear, from the posters here and from the statements from the Democrats, that they really have no reasonable argument against a wall. It is all about #resistance and ensuring that Trump is unable to fulfill a promise he made to the American people...
Dems: "Walls don't work."
<They are shown evidence of how successful the wall has been not only in our country, but also other countries>
Dems: "We need other solutions - technology and people."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated he would include other solutions>
Dems: "You can't place a wall along the entire border."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated that there will be places where a wall won't be built>
Dems: "It's too much money."
<"It is less than 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget">
Dems: "You haven't spent all the money already allocated."
<"Neither have many of the agencies allocated money. If that is your criteria for spending, we can talk about some of the social programs you want to fund.>
Dems: "Why have you chosen this hill to die on?"
Nice try, folks. Your strategy is so damned transparent.
Walls don't work. Ask Reagan. Look at the stats. And if you campaign on building a wall that Mexico is going to pay for, then follow through on that promise. I don't think, if Trump had run on a platform of "We are going to spend $30B on a Wall" that conservatives would have supported that.
And ultimately, Trump had control of the House, Senate and White House for the past 2 years and didn't do diddly squat on his wall. In another week, he will have lost his chance. Why didn't the GOP support him when he had the chance? Why didn't he take the $25B when the democrats offered it?
60 votes in the Senate.
Simple majority if they wanted.
Exactly. The GOP pulled the nuclear option when they really wanted something -- namely, to eliminate the exception for Supreme Court nominees and get Gorsuch rammed through.
They could pull it for legislation if they wanted Trump even flagged it specifically as what he was telling them to do.
So … do they not really want the wall?
Anonymous
12/24/2018 12:16
Subject: Re:Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is clear, from the posters here and from the statements from the Democrats, that they really have no reasonable argument against a wall. It is all about #resistance and ensuring that Trump is unable to fulfill a promise he made to the American people...
Dems: "Walls don't work."
<They are shown evidence of how successful the wall has been not only in our country, but also other countries>
Dems: "We need other solutions - technology and people."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated he would include other solutions>
Dems: "You can't place a wall along the entire border."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated that there will be places where a wall won't be built>
Dems: "It's too much money."
<"It is less than 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget">
Dems: "You haven't spent all the money already allocated."
<"Neither have many of the agencies allocated money. If that is your criteria for spending, we can talk about some of the social programs you want to fund.>
Dems: "Why have you chosen this hill to die on?"
Nice try, folks. Your strategy is so damned transparent.
Walls don't work. Ask Reagan. Look at the stats. And if you campaign on building a wall that Mexico is going to pay for, then follow through on that promise. I don't think, if Trump had run on a platform of "We are going to spend $30B on a Wall" that conservatives would have supported that.
And ultimately, Trump had control of the House, Senate and White House for the past 2 years and didn't do diddly squat on his wall. In another week, he will have lost his chance. Why didn't the GOP support him when he had the chance? Why didn't he take the $25B when the democrats offered it?
60 votes in the Senate.
Simple majority if they wanted.
Nope. Not wise for the future. Harry Reid learned that the hard way.
Reid got what he wanted when he was in charge, McConnell gets what he wants now, by removing the filibuster for SC justices. The filibuster is on the ropes and will eventually be gone. Which party will kill it? Doesn't matter, the other side will scream and eventually get revenge.
Anonymous
12/24/2018 11:52
Subject: Re:Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is clear, from the posters here and from the statements from the Democrats, that they really have no reasonable argument against a wall. It is all about #resistance and ensuring that Trump is unable to fulfill a promise he made to the American people...
Dems: "Walls don't work."
<They are shown evidence of how successful the wall has been not only in our country, but also other countries>
Dems: "We need other solutions - technology and people."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated he would include other solutions>
Dems: "You can't place a wall along the entire border."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated that there will be places where a wall won't be built>
Dems: "It's too much money."
<"It is less than 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget">
Dems: "You haven't spent all the money already allocated."
<"Neither have many of the agencies allocated money. If that is your criteria for spending, we can talk about some of the social programs you want to fund.>
Dems: "Why have you chosen this hill to die on?"
Nice try, folks. Your strategy is so damned transparent.
Walls don't work. Ask Reagan. Look at the stats. And if you campaign on building a wall that Mexico is going to pay for, then follow through on that promise. I don't think, if Trump had run on a platform of "We are going to spend $30B on a Wall" that conservatives would have supported that.
And ultimately, Trump had control of the House, Senate and White House for the past 2 years and didn't do diddly squat on his wall. In another week, he will have lost his chance. Why didn't the GOP support him when he had the chance? Why didn't he take the $25B when the democrats offered it?
60 votes in the Senate.
Simple majority if they wanted.
Nope. Not wise for the future. Harry Reid learned that the hard way.
Anonymous
12/24/2018 11:52
Subject: Re:Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is clear, from the posters here and from the statements from the Democrats, that they really have no reasonable argument against a wall. It is all about #resistance and ensuring that Trump is unable to fulfill a promise he made to the American people...
Dems: "Walls don't work."
<They are shown evidence of how successful the wall has been not only in our country, but also other countries>
Dems: "We need other solutions - technology and people."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated he would include other solutions>
Dems: "You can't place a wall along the entire border."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated that there will be places where a wall won't be built>
Dems: "It's too much money."
<"It is less than 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget">
Dems: "You haven't spent all the money already allocated."
<"Neither have many of the agencies allocated money. If that is your criteria for spending, we can talk about some of the social programs you want to fund.>
Dems: "Why have you chosen this hill to die on?"
Nice try, folks. Your strategy is so damned transparent.
Walls don't work. Ask Reagan. Look at the stats. And if you campaign on building a wall that Mexico is going to pay for, then follow through on that promise. I don't think, if Trump had run on a platform of "We are going to spend $30B on a Wall" that conservatives would have supported that.
And ultimately, Trump had control of the House, Senate and White House for the past 2 years and didn't do diddly squat on his wall. In another week, he will have lost his chance. Why didn't the GOP support him when he had the chance? Why didn't he take the $25B when the democrats offered it?
I am betting you weren't even alive during the Reagan years. Walls do work. Statistics bear that out. And, as far as Reagan:
The late President Ronald Reagan’s son, Michael Reagan, warned President Trump that he must act now if he wants to receive funding for a border wall, comments that came just before it was announced Trump would not sign a stopgap funding measure that did not include the $5 billion he’s requested for a border wall.
“Hey @POTUS in 1986 my father made a deal with the Democrats Amnesty for Border Security my father is still waiting,” Michael Reagan tweeted Thursday. “U have no choice its now or never..#BuildTheWallNow.”
The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 allowed any illegal immigrants who had been in the U.S. since 1982 to receive temporary legal status and eventually become eligible for green cards if they learned English.
The legislation also attempted to boost border security by increasing funding for the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the U.S. Border Patrol, although it did not call for a border wall. The measure also sought to crack down on illegal immigration by barring employers from knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.
Since 1986, the number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. has more than doubled from approximately 5 million to approximately 10.7 million as of 2016, Pew Research Center reports.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/michael-reagan-warns-trump-he-must-act-now-on-border-wall
Anonymous
12/24/2018 11:50
Subject: Re:Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is clear, from the posters here and from the statements from the Democrats, that they really have no reasonable argument against a wall. It is all about #resistance and ensuring that Trump is unable to fulfill a promise he made to the American people...
Dems: "Walls don't work."
<They are shown evidence of how successful the wall has been not only in our country, but also other countries>
Dems: "We need other solutions - technology and people."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated he would include other solutions>
Dems: "You can't place a wall along the entire border."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated that there will be places where a wall won't be built>
Dems: "It's too much money."
<"It is less than 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget">
Dems: "You haven't spent all the money already allocated."
<"Neither have many of the agencies allocated money. If that is your criteria for spending, we can talk about some of the social programs you want to fund.>
Dems: "Why have you chosen this hill to die on?"
Nice try, folks. Your strategy is so damned transparent.
Walls don't work. Ask Reagan. Look at the stats. And if you campaign on building a wall that Mexico is going to pay for, then follow through on that promise. I don't think, if Trump had run on a platform of "We are going to spend $30B on a Wall" that conservatives would have supported that.
And ultimately, Trump had control of the House, Senate and White House for the past 2 years and didn't do diddly squat on his wall. In another week, he will have lost his chance. Why didn't the GOP support him when he had the chance? Why didn't he take the $25B when the democrats offered it?
60 votes in the Senate.
Simple majority if they wanted.
Anonymous
12/24/2018 11:50
Subject: Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So why did you need Dems to put this through? Wouldn't the Republican support have been enough, if the GOP came to agreement and voted en bloc?
Haven't your left-wing sources explained that to you? It takes 60 votes in the Senate.
"Art of the Deal." Which he had made but reneged on.
Anonymous
12/24/2018 11:49
Subject: Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So why did you need Dems to put this through? Wouldn't the Republican support have been enough, if the GOP came to agreement and voted en bloc?
Haven't your left-wing sources explained that to you? It takes 60 votes in the Senate.
What rock have you been living under that you don't know about the nuclear option?
Anonymous
12/24/2018 11:48
Subject: Re:Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:It is clear, from the posters here and from the statements from the Democrats, that they really have no reasonable argument against a wall. It is all about #resistance and ensuring that Trump is unable to fulfill a promise he made to the American people...
Dems: "Walls don't work."
<They are shown evidence of how successful the wall has been not only in our country, but also other countries>
Dems: "We need other solutions - technology and people."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated he would include other solutions>
Dems: "You can't place a wall along the entire border."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated that there will be places where a wall won't be built>
Dems: "It's too much money."
<"It is less than 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget">
Dems: "You haven't spent all the money already allocated."
<"Neither have many of the agencies allocated money. If that is your criteria for spending, we can talk about some of the social programs you want to fund.>
Dems: "Why have you chosen this hill to die on?"
Nice try, folks. Your strategy is so damned transparent.
Democrats offered Trump $25 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA. First he accepted, then he reneged. Most Americans favor DACA. Seemed like a good deal for him. Why did he change his mind? His base doesn't like DACA, that's why. He also has money for border security which he hasn't spent. Which shows it's all about "wins" not securing the border. He doesn't care if the wall is built or not, and neither does his base. It's just about the "win."
Anonymous
12/24/2018 11:47
Subject: Re:Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is clear, from the posters here and from the statements from the Democrats, that they really have no reasonable argument against a wall. It is all about #resistance and ensuring that Trump is unable to fulfill a promise he made to the American people...
Dems: "Walls don't work."
<They are shown evidence of how successful the wall has been not only in our country, but also other countries>
Dems: "We need other solutions - technology and people."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated he would include other solutions>
Dems: "You can't place a wall along the entire border."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated that there will be places where a wall won't be built>
Dems: "It's too much money."
<"It is less than 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget">
Dems: "You haven't spent all the money already allocated."
<"Neither have many of the agencies allocated money. If that is your criteria for spending, we can talk about some of the social programs you want to fund.>
Dems: "Why have you chosen this hill to die on?"
Nice try, folks. Your strategy is so damned transparent.
Walls don't work. Ask Reagan. Look at the stats. And if you campaign on building a wall that Mexico is going to pay for, then follow through on that promise. I don't think, if Trump had run on a platform of "We are going to spend $30B on a Wall" that conservatives would have supported that.
And ultimately, Trump had control of the House, Senate and White House for the past 2 years and didn't do diddly squat on his wall. In another week, he will have lost his chance. Why didn't the GOP support him when he had the chance? Why didn't he take the $25B when the democrats offered it?
60 votes in the Senate.
Anonymous
12/24/2018 11:46
Subject: Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:So why did you need Dems to put this through? Wouldn't the Republican support have been enough, if the GOP came to agreement and voted en bloc?
Haven't your left-wing sources explained that to you? It takes 60 votes in the Senate.
Anonymous
12/24/2018 11:43
Subject: Re:Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall
Anonymous wrote:It is clear, from the posters here and from the statements from the Democrats, that they really have no reasonable argument against a wall. It is all about #resistance and ensuring that Trump is unable to fulfill a promise he made to the American people...
Dems: "Walls don't work."
<They are shown evidence of how successful the wall has been not only in our country, but also other countries>
Dems: "We need other solutions - technology and people."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated he would include other solutions>
Dems: "You can't place a wall along the entire border."
<They are shown evidence of where Trump has stated that there will be places where a wall won't be built>
Dems: "It's too much money."
<"It is less than 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget">
Dems: "You haven't spent all the money already allocated."
<"Neither have many of the agencies allocated money. If that is your criteria for spending, we can talk about some of the social programs you want to fund.>
Dems: "Why have you chosen this hill to die on?"
Nice try, folks. Your strategy is so damned transparent.
It's interesting how these Trumpsters run away with their tails between their legs when anyone asks why Mexico isn't paying or why the GOP didn't get it done in the two years they had complete power. All hot air, just like their orange balloon.