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Anonymous wrote:Is there literally one pop star who has ever aged gracefully? They all got batshit in their 30s.

Pink

I do like that Pink's response to getting older was to focus on getting stronger and taking up new active hobbies, instead of messing with her face and trying to keep looking 25. I think the key is letting go of certain expectations of feminity (that are heavily tied to youthfulness) and forging your own path.

Pink is a much stronger character and I think has always had a stronger identity and knew who she was. She had issues certainly in her padt but has been married and a mother during high wattage fame and she cared about those things. Much more down to earth, no bull sh*t person and much less in need of approval probably always. Swift is needy and hungry in a deeper way. Totally different characters.

I'm surprised by the negative feedback and heretofore never seen visceral reaction that this album has triggered. Surprised because, for some of us, this album is exactly how everyone of her album has sounded with a few exceptions here and there . In other words, it's always been THIS bad.So what happened ?My theory is that, some members of the 'cult' are having inexplicable moments of clarity and are now questioning what they ever saw in her music.

Taylor Swift huge popularity was NEVER totally owed to the quality of her music ( Its never been good)but rather to the never before seen intensity with which she catered and tapped into whiteness ( sorry swifties but it's true ).Her team rightfully calculated that, the return on investment would be massive if they positioned her as a cultural refuge for white women who couldn't care about things like gay rights, BLM, gender equality, #MeToo, reproductive rights etc.One aspect of this has been her cemetery-like silence on virtually anything that had nothing to do with, or did not affect/benefit HER. If you look at the huge pop stars of the last decade like the Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Katy perry just to name those, they've all been vocal about one societal issue or another without necessarily being affected by it . Katy Perry was boisterous in her campaign for Obama , Lady Gaga activism for gay rights was part and parcel of her brand, Beyonce has been open by her support for gay rights, BLM and a host of other issues .

Taylor Swift ? Radio silence . White America loved her for it and rewarded her handsomely. And so, no matter how bland, lackluster and jarringly forgettable the music was, they and their daughters were always going to come out in full force because she was their exit ramp from the highway of activism that they loathe.She was never going to make them uncomfortable by calling them bigots ( which many are ) for their lack of empathy, respect and support for marginalized groups. Taylor Swift has always sold blindingly white whiteness, except now, the cracks are forming.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

Maybe she grew up and moved away from drug addicted Peter Pans?

The doofus who shotgunned beers last summer on stage at his bachelor's degree ceremony and was kicked off his college team for drugs is so mature.

Work hard, play hard. Do you have comments about his job performance?

Anonymous wrote:Canceled! sounds exactly the same as Lorde - Yellow Flicker Beat. What song on this album did Taylor Swift not take from another artist?

Waaahhh. Waaaahhhhh. Gosh, you sure spent a ton of time dissecting these songs for a hate.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

Maybe she grew up and moved away from drug addicted Peter Pans?

The doofus who shotgunned beers last summer on stage at his bachelor's degree ceremony and was kicked off his college team for drugs is so mature.

Hon, most 21-year-old men, which is how old Travis was when he had a positive drug test, aren’t that mature. How many men and women in your neighborhood who are actual adults Do you think do Gummies – you’d be surprised. If you’re gonna hate on someone, why don’t you make it legit?

Canceled! sounds exactly the same as Lorde - Yellow Flicker Beat. What song on this album did Taylor Swift not take from another artist?

This thread is more toxic than what is on the more commonly toxic sites. Are people in the DC area that unhappy with their own lives? So much hate on here for Taylor, but her streaming numbers don’t support the “numbers” of haters on this thread. The new album Is killing it. It seems like the haters here (probably just one or two ladies), have a more parasocial relationship with Taylor than her own fans do.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

Maybe she grew up and moved away from drug addicted Peter Pans?

The doofus who shotgunned beers last summer on stage at his bachelor's degree ceremony and was kicked off his college team for drugs is so mature.

Oh my Barbara keep clutching those pearls for something he did 15 years ago!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

Maybe she grew up and moved away from drug addicted Peter Pans?

The doofus who shotgunned beers last summer on stage at his bachelor's degree ceremony and was kicked off his college team for drugs is so mature.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

It's called waking up and being a 36 year old bachelorette with no kids. At that age, you freak out and just settle. It is what it is.

But they honestly seem to love each other. It's refreshing.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is filthy rich but an extremely basic dimwitted boring and uneducated American gal. That "boring" jab must have cut her so deep. She has always tried to surround herself with edgy art scene creatives and Euros and tries to masquerade as this creative erudite poet. To pretend she's content with some idiot American football jock and his flyover prole family is laughable. That's why every time she's with him, his family, and/or his social circle she's got booze in her hand. She's miserable af.

This is worded more harshly than I’d have put it, but it’s basically how I felt until I saw her appearance on the Kelce podcast right before they got engaged. IDK, to me she seemed blissfully happy and head over heels in love. I think another PP had it right. Taylor WANTS to be sees as an edgy cool artsy creative, but at the end of the day what she really wanted all along was for the hunky star footballer to pick her, give her a fat rock, and worship the ground she walks on.

(Np). I came to the same conclusion after seeing her on Jimmy Fallon. She explained that she didn’t want to do the SuperBowl halftime show because she’s too focused on her incredible boyfriend. I think she even said something like, “every Sunday he puts his life on the line”. Girl, what? She called him a “Gladiator.” I think she’s head over heels smitten and when the rose colored glasses come off, she’s going to be embarrassed at how impressed she was by football.

I saw that interview clip and it was so weird. At first I was on board with the sentiment (football is Travis's thing, so she doesn't want to do the halftime show so that she can just support him doing his thing). But when she started talking about him putting his life on the line, I was like.... wut? First of all, he's not "putting his life on the line" unless you literally mean the line of scrimmage or something. Football is entertainment, Travis isn't making some noble sacrifice for anything that matters. And second, her language made it sound like it would somehow be disrespectful for her to care about her career while Travis was working, like his job was just so much more important than hers. Which makes no sense. They are both entertainers, neither job is inherently more important than the other, but Taylor's job definitely employs more people and has way more people relying on her -- there is only one Taylor Swift but there are other NFL-caliber tight ends.

She reminds me of friends/colleagues/classmates of mine who were very rah-rah feminist in their 20s about wanting egalitarian relationships or not even needing a man at all (whatever, I have my squad, amiright) but then got pretty traditionalist when they got married in their 30s. There's nothing wrong with choosing a traditional marriage if that's what you want, but the 180 can be jarring and you realize that a lot of the "feminist ideals" such women spout are just a persona they were trying on, it's not real to them. It definitely is starting to feel like this might be the case for Taylor.

Taylor is a literal billionaire by 35. I’m pretty sure it’s not a persona.

Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

It's called waking up and being a 36 year old bachelorette with no kids. At that age, you freak out and just settle. It is what it is.

Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

I think it’s several things.

1) Growing up and maturing and learning that the messy brooding artsy “I can fix him” types might set your sheets on fire, but they aren’t the types you marry and have kids with. You marry and have kids with the boring/stable nice guy from a nice family who will always be a little bit more into you than you’re into him.

2) She likes the free spirit artsy creative types but they don’t like her back because her whole existence is too corporate and curated.

3) She wants or wanted to be the type of woman that a guy like Matty would go for, but deep down she knows & has accepted that it’s actually not who she really is and that what she’s actually wanted all along was someone like Travis: a big, strong, popular star athlete to notice her, choose her, and worship her.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

I don’t believe she is genuinely in love with Travis. She desperately wants marriage and babies, and of all the men she had dated, he’s the only one who asked. So here we are. Her deflecting on planning the wedding sounds like Gabriette when she was asked about it recently. “Not planning it yet, will focus on it after I am done with xyz project.” The way they talk about their weddings reminds me of the Friends episode where Chandler is going to Yemen 😂

Taylor isn't going to plan anything. She's going to hire a planner, or have someone even do that for her. and have her accountant pay the bills.

Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

I don’t believe she is genuinely in love with Travis. She desperately wants marriage and babies, and of all the men she had dated, he’s the only one who asked. So here we are. Her deflecting on planning the wedding sounds like Gabriette when she was asked about it recently. “Not planning it yet, will focus on it after I am done with xyz project.” The way they talk about their weddings reminds me of the Friends episode where Chandler is going to Yemen 😂