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Post 07/07/2024 23:00     Subject: Re:ABC News interview TONIGHT with Biden

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+1 Yes, I agree it's an interesting viewpoint. Probably considerable truth there.


-1 It's pretty hard to believe that conservatives have much of a clue about what the media outside of right wing media reports on, given how many things they consistently get wrong, for example the astoundingly large percentage that believe Trump won the election and that it was stolen from him, the large percentage that underestimate wealth inequality, the fact that only 62% of Republicans even believe in climate change, with only 34% believing that human activity has anything to do with it. That ignores a ton of science. That list of baffling conservative beliefs goes on and on and on and on.

I mean, if they look at non-conservative media sources at all, they must be immediately making an irrational choice that "the left lies, therefore I will believe the opposite?"


PP here. I live in Georgia. The conservatives I know are college educated, not in denial about climate change, work hard, pay taxes, go to church/synagogue/mosque, and often are small business owners. They want tighter controls at our borders, a strong military, lowered inflation, better public education with a focus on academics and vocational training, and violent criminals and repeat criminals kept in prison (or hospitalized longterm for mental health issues).



I guess that makes me a conservative too. And by that definition, 80 percent of Americans would identify as conservative as well.


I am so damned tired of the shrill fringes of both parties hogging all the air in the room. It’s impossible to be a moderate anymore. I want a push toward a reasonable and sustainable center. Can’t we all just get along and realize we’re in this together?


There is no center on many issues. Can we drop this idea that fence sitting is somehow an enlightened position to take? It's a lazy non-position.

Also, we have a far right party and a center right parry in this country. If you're in the center of our two main parties, you aren't center anything. You're just a right leaning moron with no strongly held opinions or morals.


Okay LWNJ. Time to let the grown-ups talk. 🙄
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2024 22:59     Subject: Re:ABC News interview TONIGHT with Biden

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought this was an interesting viewpoint.



+1 Yes, I agree it's an interesting viewpoint. Probably considerable truth there.


-1 It's pretty hard to believe that conservatives have much of a clue about what the media outside of right wing media reports on, given how many things they consistently get wrong, for example the astoundingly large percentage that believe Trump won the election and that it was stolen from him, the large percentage that underestimate wealth inequality, the fact that only 62% of Republicans even believe in climate change, with only 34% believing that human activity has anything to do with it. That ignores a ton of science. That list of baffling conservative beliefs goes on and on and on and on.

I mean, if they look at non-conservative media sources at all, they must be immediately making an irrational choice that "the left lies, therefore I will believe the opposite?"


PP here. I live in Georgia. The conservatives I know are college educated, not in denial about climate change, work hard, pay taxes, go to church/synagogue/mosque, and often are small business owners. They want tighter controls at our borders, a strong military, lowered inflation, better public education with a focus on academics and vocational training, and violent criminals and repeat criminals kept in prison (or hospitalized longterm for mental health issues).


You should work to take back your party from the shrill, crass MAGA movement that's taken it over. That would help Republicans tremendously.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2024 22:44     Subject: ABC News interview TONIGHT with Biden

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This is body cam footage that we obtained from the Fort Worth Police Department via TPIA.


Eye opening indeed. Thank you.

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Anonymous
Post 07/07/2024 22:44     Subject: ABC News interview TONIGHT with Biden

Too bad only one candidate is attracting millions of Americans to come on board to make America great again, and it ain’t your big guy.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2024 22:42     Subject: Re:ABC News interview TONIGHT with Biden

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought this was an interesting viewpoint.



+1 Yes, I agree it's an interesting viewpoint. Probably considerable truth there.


-1 It's pretty hard to believe that conservatives have much of a clue about what the media outside of right wing media reports on, given how many things they consistently get wrong, for example the astoundingly large percentage that believe Trump won the election and that it was stolen from him, the large percentage that underestimate wealth inequality, the fact that only 62% of Republicans even believe in climate change, with only 34% believing that human activity has anything to do with it. That ignores a ton of science. That list of baffling conservative beliefs goes on and on and on and on.

I mean, if they look at non-conservative media sources at all, they must be immediately making an irrational choice that "the left lies, therefore I will believe the opposite?"


PP here. I live in Georgia. The conservatives I know are college educated, not in denial about climate change, work hard, pay taxes, go to church/synagogue/mosque, and often are small business owners. They want tighter controls at our borders, a strong military, lowered inflation, better public education with a focus on academics and vocational training, and violent criminals and repeat criminals kept in prison (or hospitalized longterm for mental health issues).



I guess that makes me a conservative too. And by that definition, 80 percent of Americans would identify as conservative as well.


I am so damned tired of the shrill fringes of both parties hogging all the air in the room. It’s impossible to be a moderate anymore. I want a push toward a reasonable and sustainable center. Can’t we all just get along and realize we’re in this together?


There is no center on many issues. Can we drop this idea that fence sitting is somehow an enlightened position to take? It's a lazy non-position.

Also, we have a far right party and a center right parry in this country. If you're in the center of our two main parties, you aren't center anything. You're just a right leaning moron with no strongly held opinions or morals.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2024 22:39     Subject: Re:ABC News interview TONIGHT with Biden

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought this was an interesting viewpoint.



+1 Yes, I agree it's an interesting viewpoint. Probably considerable truth there.


-1 It's pretty hard to believe that conservatives have much of a clue about what the media outside of right wing media reports on, given how many things they consistently get wrong, for example the astoundingly large percentage that believe Trump won the election and that it was stolen from him, the large percentage that underestimate wealth inequality, the fact that only 62% of Republicans even believe in climate change, with only 34% believing that human activity has anything to do with it. That ignores a ton of science. That list of baffling conservative beliefs goes on and on and on and on.

I mean, if they look at non-conservative media sources at all, they must be immediately making an irrational choice that "the left lies, therefore I will believe the opposite?"


PP here. I live in Georgia. The conservatives I know are college educated, not in denial about climate change, work hard, pay taxes, go to church/synagogue/mosque, and often are small business owners. They want tighter controls at our borders, a strong military, lowered inflation, better public education with a focus on academics and vocational training, and violent criminals and repeat criminals kept in prison (or hospitalized longterm for mental health issues).


Not in Georgia but same.


so what do you think of the bipartisan immigration bill reached by Dems and Gop that would have increased security at the border and was sank by Trump for the sole reason that he wants an open border to be able to have it an main issue to run on? as fpr academics in school, what do you think of the Republican governor imposing the bible as education tool in classes? we have a gigantic debt, how do you think we can have a strong military (which costs $$$) if Trump wants to cut more taxes? his proposals of tariffs, deportation of immigrants and tax cuts will raise inflation, not lower it. if he kicks out Powel and puts one of his lackeys who agrees to just print money, we are going the way of Argentina.

there is nothing wrong if what you describe, i want franjly the same things and I vote Dem. Trump talks a good talk (full of lies) but i dont see how people dont see the reality. an immigration bill that would have helped the border could have been in place now for two months and Trump sank it (if it was not good enough as I am sure people will say, it was still better than nothing and it still should have been passed and Trump could have improved it next year.) he sank it outright because he did not want an improved border situation, he wanted as much chaos at the border as possible to tun on it on the election (instead of abortion, his crazy economic policies, affinity for Russia and the fact that he is a felon and that two serious trials where he involved were slowed down enough to end up after the election, otherwise voters would have been exposed to those messes too) I mean, this is reality, i dont see how people cannot see it.


That's just it - they shrug off anything politically inconvenient to their bubble and pretend it's all "fake news" because conservative media has conditioned them to do this for the last 30 years.


Sounds to me like we have two dysfunctional major political parties followed by larges masses of misled sheep that can't escape their bubbles long enough to see the truth for what it is.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2024 22:33     Subject: Re:ABC News interview TONIGHT with Biden

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought this was an interesting viewpoint.



+1 Yes, I agree it's an interesting viewpoint. Probably considerable truth there.


-1 It's pretty hard to believe that conservatives have much of a clue about what the media outside of right wing media reports on, given how many things they consistently get wrong, for example the astoundingly large percentage that believe Trump won the election and that it was stolen from him, the large percentage that underestimate wealth inequality, the fact that only 62% of Republicans even believe in climate change, with only 34% believing that human activity has anything to do with it. That ignores a ton of science. That list of baffling conservative beliefs goes on and on and on and on.

I mean, if they look at non-conservative media sources at all, they must be immediately making an irrational choice that "the left lies, therefore I will believe the opposite?"


PP here. I live in Georgia. The conservatives I know are college educated, not in denial about climate change, work hard, pay taxes, go to church/synagogue/mosque, and often are small business owners. They want tighter controls at our borders, a strong military, lowered inflation, better public education with a focus on academics and vocational training, and violent criminals and repeat criminals kept in prison (or hospitalized longterm for mental health issues).


Not in Georgia but same.


so what do you think of the bipartisan immigration bill reached by Dems and Gop that would have increased security at the border and was sank by Trump for the sole reason that he wants an open border to be able to have it an main issue to run on? as fpr academics in school, what do you think of the Republican governor imposing the bible as education tool in classes? we have a gigantic debt, how do you think we can have a strong military (which costs $$$) if Trump wants to cut more taxes? his proposals of tariffs, deportation of immigrants and tax cuts will raise inflation, not lower it. if he kicks out Powel and puts one of his lackeys who agrees to just print money, we are going the way of Argentina.

there is nothing wrong if what you describe, i want franjly the same things and I vote Dem. Trump talks a good talk (full of lies) but i dont see how people dont see the reality. an immigration bill that would have helped the border could have been in place now for two months and Trump sank it (if it was not good enough as I am sure people will say, it was still better than nothing and it still should have been passed and Trump could have improved it next year.) he sank it outright because he did not want an improved border situation, he wanted as much chaos at the border as possible to tun on it on the election (instead of abortion, his crazy economic policies, affinity for Russia and the fact that he is a felon and that two serious trials where he involved were slowed down enough to end up after the election, otherwise voters would have been exposed to those messes too) I mean, this is reality, i dont see how people cannot see it.


That's just it - they shrug off anything politically inconvenient to their bubble and pretend it's all "fake news" because conservative media has conditioned them to do this for the last 30 years.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2024 22:31     Subject: Re:ABC News interview TONIGHT with Biden

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought this was an interesting viewpoint.



+1 Yes, I agree it's an interesting viewpoint. Probably considerable truth there.


-1 It's pretty hard to believe that conservatives have much of a clue about what the media outside of right wing media reports on, given how many things they consistently get wrong, for example the astoundingly large percentage that believe Trump won the election and that it was stolen from him, the large percentage that underestimate wealth inequality, the fact that only 62% of Republicans even believe in climate change, with only 34% believing that human activity has anything to do with it. That ignores a ton of science. That list of baffling conservative beliefs goes on and on and on and on.

I mean, if they look at non-conservative media sources at all, they must be immediately making an irrational choice that "the left lies, therefore I will believe the opposite?"


PP here. I live in Georgia. The conservatives I know are college educated, not in denial about climate change, work hard, pay taxes, go to church/synagogue/mosque, and often are small business owners. They want tighter controls at our borders, a strong military, lowered inflation, better public education with a focus on academics and vocational training, and violent criminals and repeat criminals kept in prison (or hospitalized longterm for mental health issues).


They are in the minority where it comes to believing climate change. Do they believe that Trump won the election but it was stolen from him? What about all of the other lies that Trump has told and amplified over the years? Do they believe Democrats want "open borders" despite Dem support of the Bipartisan border bill that would have funded physical barriers at the border, more border patrol agents, more surveillance and technology for catching illegal border crossers, along with improving capacity to more quickly deport people who should be deported?

I think the problem is that even if Republicans "know what's on MSM" they have for the last 30+ years been systematically conditioned to believe that everything said by MSM is a lie. People like Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Mark Levin and others claimed that the MSM is lying about everything over and over and over on every show, and it's now culturally ingrained in many conservatives, even ones who never listened to folks like Rush Limbaugh hear it from fellow conservatives who did listen to them. Yes, the MSM does occasionally distort or get things wrong but overall they are far more likely to be telling the truth rather than telling a lie. But since conservatives don't like hearing politically inconvenient truths, they just dismiss them as lies, even though they have no evidence that it's a lie. Meanwhile, they put far more trust and belief in the conservative media outlets because they tell them what they want to hear, even though many conservative media outlets have an even worse track record with the truth than the MSM does.


I mean, after watch the MSM completely asleep at the switch with respect to Biden’s health, I’m beginning to see why they don’t trust the MSM at all. It’s appalling that only the right-wing media was covering what we all know now are serious issues with Biden.


Yet does conservative media cover any of Trump's serious mental health issues, the incoherent nonsensical rambling about sharks and batteries and windmill cancer and how you have to flush the toilet 10 or 15 times, how he slurs his speech, how he constantly fabricates wild stories "they came to me with tears in their eyes and said sir, we have never heard anything so brilliant" or how he's degenerated from being very articulate to now using a 5th grade vocabulary, how he often slurs his speech and can't get common words out - not to mention not questioning any other aspects of his health like when he got his health checkup from White House doctor Ronny Jackson which ludicrously said he was 200lbs when he's obese and clearly closer to 270 lbs, and all of the cardiac issues that come with that... How can you trust conservative media when they do even more lying and spinning and covering up than MSM does?
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2024 22:18     Subject: Re:ABC News interview TONIGHT with Biden

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought this was an interesting viewpoint.



+1 Yes, I agree it's an interesting viewpoint. Probably considerable truth there.


-1 It's pretty hard to believe that conservatives have much of a clue about what the media outside of right wing media reports on, given how many things they consistently get wrong, for example the astoundingly large percentage that believe Trump won the election and that it was stolen from him, the large percentage that underestimate wealth inequality, the fact that only 62% of Republicans even believe in climate change, with only 34% believing that human activity has anything to do with it. That ignores a ton of science. That list of baffling conservative beliefs goes on and on and on and on.

I mean, if they look at non-conservative media sources at all, they must be immediately making an irrational choice that "the left lies, therefore I will believe the opposite?"


PP here. I live in Georgia. The conservatives I know are college educated, not in denial about climate change, work hard, pay taxes, go to church/synagogue/mosque, and often are small business owners. They want tighter controls at our borders, a strong military, lowered inflation, better public education with a focus on academics and vocational training, and violent criminals and repeat criminals kept in prison (or hospitalized longterm for mental health issues).


They are in the minority where it comes to believing climate change. Do they believe that Trump won the election but it was stolen from him? What about all of the other lies that Trump has told and amplified over the years? Do they believe Democrats want "open borders" despite Dem support of the Bipartisan border bill that would have funded physical barriers at the border, more border patrol agents, more surveillance and technology for catching illegal border crossers, along with improving capacity to more quickly deport people who should be deported?

I think the problem is that even if Republicans "know what's on MSM" they have for the last 30+ years been systematically conditioned to believe that everything said by MSM is a lie. People like Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Mark Levin and others claimed that the MSM is lying about everything over and over and over on every show, and it's now culturally ingrained in many conservatives, even ones who never listened to folks like Rush Limbaugh hear it from fellow conservatives who did listen to them. Yes, the MSM does occasionally distort or get things wrong but overall they are far more likely to be telling the truth rather than telling a lie. But since conservatives don't like hearing politically inconvenient truths, they just dismiss them as lies, even though they have no evidence that it's a lie. Meanwhile, they put far more trust and belief in the conservative media outlets because they tell them what they want to hear, even though many conservative media outlets have an even worse track record with the truth than the MSM does.


I mean, after watch the MSM completely asleep at the switch with respect to Biden’s health, I’m beginning to see why they don’t trust the MSM at all. It’s appalling that only the right-wing media was covering what we all know now are serious issues with Biden.


And being called “conspiracy theorists.”

It’s not a conspiracy if it’s true.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2024 22:14     Subject: Re:ABC News interview TONIGHT with Biden

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought this was an interesting viewpoint.



+1 Yes, I agree it's an interesting viewpoint. Probably considerable truth there.


-1 It's pretty hard to believe that conservatives have much of a clue about what the media outside of right wing media reports on, given how many things they consistently get wrong, for example the astoundingly large percentage that believe Trump won the election and that it was stolen from him, the large percentage that underestimate wealth inequality, the fact that only 62% of Republicans even believe in climate change, with only 34% believing that human activity has anything to do with it. That ignores a ton of science. That list of baffling conservative beliefs goes on and on and on and on.

I mean, if they look at non-conservative media sources at all, they must be immediately making an irrational choice that "the left lies, therefore I will believe the opposite?"


PP here. I live in Georgia. The conservatives I know are college educated, not in denial about climate change, work hard, pay taxes, go to church/synagogue/mosque, and often are small business owners. They want tighter controls at our borders, a strong military, lowered inflation, better public education with a focus on academics and vocational training, and violent criminals and repeat criminals kept in prison (or hospitalized longterm for mental health issues).


They are in the minority where it comes to believing climate change. Do they believe that Trump won the election but it was stolen from him? What about all of the other lies that Trump has told and amplified over the years? Do they believe Democrats want "open borders" despite Dem support of the Bipartisan border bill that would have funded physical barriers at the border, more border patrol agents, more surveillance and technology for catching illegal border crossers, along with improving capacity to more quickly deport people who should be deported?

I think the problem is that even if Republicans "know what's on MSM" they have for the last 30+ years been systematically conditioned to believe that everything said by MSM is a lie. People like Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Mark Levin and others claimed that the MSM is lying about everything over and over and over on every show, and it's now culturally ingrained in many conservatives, even ones who never listened to folks like Rush Limbaugh hear it from fellow conservatives who did listen to them. Yes, the MSM does occasionally distort or get things wrong but overall they are far more likely to be telling the truth rather than telling a lie. But since conservatives don't like hearing politically inconvenient truths, they just dismiss them as lies, even though they have no evidence that it's a lie. Meanwhile, they put far more trust and belief in the conservative media outlets because they tell them what they want to hear, even though many conservative media outlets have an even worse track record with the truth than the MSM does.


I mean, after watch the MSM completely asleep at the switch with respect to Biden’s health, I’m beginning to see why they don’t trust the MSM at all. It’s appalling that only the right-wing media was covering what we all know now are serious issues with Biden.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2024 21:51     Subject: Re:ABC News interview TONIGHT with Biden

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought this was an interesting viewpoint.



+1 Yes, I agree it's an interesting viewpoint. Probably considerable truth there.


-1 It's pretty hard to believe that conservatives have much of a clue about what the media outside of right wing media reports on, given how many things they consistently get wrong, for example the astoundingly large percentage that believe Trump won the election and that it was stolen from him, the large percentage that underestimate wealth inequality, the fact that only 62% of Republicans even believe in climate change, with only 34% believing that human activity has anything to do with it. That ignores a ton of science. That list of baffling conservative beliefs goes on and on and on and on.

I mean, if they look at non-conservative media sources at all, they must be immediately making an irrational choice that "the left lies, therefore I will believe the opposite?"


PP here. I live in Georgia. The conservatives I know are college educated, not in denial about climate change, work hard, pay taxes, go to church/synagogue/mosque, and often are small business owners. They want tighter controls at our borders, a strong military, lowered inflation, better public education with a focus on academics and vocational training, and violent criminals and repeat criminals kept in prison (or hospitalized longterm for mental health issues).


Not in Georgia but same.


so what do you think of the bipartisan immigration bill reached by Dems and Gop that would have increased security at the border and was sank by Trump for the sole reason that he wants an open border to be able to have it an main issue to run on? as fpr academics in school, what do you think of the Republican governor imposing the bible as education tool in classes? we have a gigantic debt, how do you think we can have a strong military (which costs $$$) if Trump wants to cut more taxes? his proposals of tariffs, deportation of immigrants and tax cuts will raise inflation, not lower it. if he kicks out Powel and puts one of his lackeys who agrees to just print money, we are going the way of Argentina.

there is nothing wrong if what you describe, i want franjly the same things and I vote Dem. Trump talks a good talk (full of lies) but i dont see how people dont see the reality. an immigration bill that would have helped the border could have been in place now for two months and Trump sank it (if it was not good enough as I am sure people will say, it was still better than nothing and it still should have been passed and Trump could have improved it next year.) he sank it outright because he did not want an improved border situation, he wanted as much chaos at the border as possible to tun on it on the election (instead of abortion, his crazy economic policies, affinity for Russia and the fact that he is a felon and that two serious trials where he involved were slowed down enough to end up after the election, otherwise voters would have been exposed to those messes too) I mean, this is reality, i dont see how people cannot see it.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2024 21:30     Subject: Re:ABC News interview TONIGHT with Biden

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought this was an interesting viewpoint.



+1 Yes, I agree it's an interesting viewpoint. Probably considerable truth there.


-1 It's pretty hard to believe that conservatives have much of a clue about what the media outside of right wing media reports on, given how many things they consistently get wrong, for example the astoundingly large percentage that believe Trump won the election and that it was stolen from him, the large percentage that underestimate wealth inequality, the fact that only 62% of Republicans even believe in climate change, with only 34% believing that human activity has anything to do with it. That ignores a ton of science. That list of baffling conservative beliefs goes on and on and on and on.

I mean, if they look at non-conservative media sources at all, they must be immediately making an irrational choice that "the left lies, therefore I will believe the opposite?"


PP here. I live in Georgia. The conservatives I know are college educated, not in denial about climate change, work hard, pay taxes, go to church/synagogue/mosque, and often are small business owners. They want tighter controls at our borders, a strong military, lowered inflation, better public education with a focus on academics and vocational training, and violent criminals and repeat criminals kept in prison (or hospitalized longterm for mental health issues).


Not in Georgia but same.


Also me and I’m in TX.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2024 21:27     Subject: Re:ABC News interview TONIGHT with Biden

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought this was an interesting viewpoint.



+1 Yes, I agree it's an interesting viewpoint. Probably considerable truth there.


-1 It's pretty hard to believe that conservatives have much of a clue about what the media outside of right wing media reports on, given how many things they consistently get wrong, for example the astoundingly large percentage that believe Trump won the election and that it was stolen from him, the large percentage that underestimate wealth inequality, the fact that only 62% of Republicans even believe in climate change, with only 34% believing that human activity has anything to do with it. That ignores a ton of science. That list of baffling conservative beliefs goes on and on and on and on.

I mean, if they look at non-conservative media sources at all, they must be immediately making an irrational choice that "the left lies, therefore I will believe the opposite?"


PP here. I live in Georgia. The conservatives I know are college educated, not in denial about climate change, work hard, pay taxes, go to church/synagogue/mosque, and often are small business owners. They want tighter controls at our borders, a strong military, lowered inflation, better public education with a focus on academics and vocational training, and violent criminals and repeat criminals kept in prison (or hospitalized longterm for mental health issues).



I guess that makes me a conservative too. And by that definition, 80 percent of Americans would identify as conservative as well.


I am so damned tired of the shrill fringes of both parties hogging all the air in the room. It’s impossible to be a moderate anymore. I want a push toward a reasonable and sustainable center. Can’t we all just get along and realize we’re in this together?


I’m just sad Biden didn’t govern as moderate. I think most of us had hopes when he was elected that he would but instead he swung far left.


Agree. I was naive enough to believe Trump would move center after getting elected in 2016.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2024 21:25     Subject: Re:ABC News interview TONIGHT with Biden

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought this was an interesting viewpoint.



+1 Yes, I agree it's an interesting viewpoint. Probably considerable truth there.


-1 It's pretty hard to believe that conservatives have much of a clue about what the media outside of right wing media reports on, given how many things they consistently get wrong, for example the astoundingly large percentage that believe Trump won the election and that it was stolen from him, the large percentage that underestimate wealth inequality, the fact that only 62% of Republicans even believe in climate change, with only 34% believing that human activity has anything to do with it. That ignores a ton of science. That list of baffling conservative beliefs goes on and on and on and on.

I mean, if they look at non-conservative media sources at all, they must be immediately making an irrational choice that "the left lies, therefore I will believe the opposite?"


PP here. I live in Georgia. The conservatives I know are college educated, not in denial about climate change, work hard, pay taxes, go to church/synagogue/mosque, and often are small business owners. They want tighter controls at our borders, a strong military, lowered inflation, better public education with a focus on academics and vocational training, and violent criminals and repeat criminals kept in prison (or hospitalized longterm for mental health issues).


They are in the minority where it comes to believing climate change. Do they believe that Trump won the election but it was stolen from him? What about all of the other lies that Trump has told and amplified over the years? Do they believe Democrats want "open borders" despite Dem support of the Bipartisan border bill that would have funded physical barriers at the border, more border patrol agents, more surveillance and technology for catching illegal border crossers, along with improving capacity to more quickly deport people who should be deported?

I think the problem is that even if Republicans "know what's on MSM" they have for the last 30+ years been systematically conditioned to believe that everything said by MSM is a lie. People like Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Mark Levin and others claimed that the MSM is lying about everything over and over and over on every show, and it's now culturally ingrained in many conservatives, even ones who never listened to folks like Rush Limbaugh hear it from fellow conservatives who did listen to them. Yes, the MSM does occasionally distort or get things wrong but overall they are far more likely to be telling the truth rather than telling a lie. But since conservatives don't like hearing politically inconvenient truths, they just dismiss them as lies, even though they have no evidence that it's a lie. Meanwhile, they put far more trust and belief in the conservative media outlets because they tell them what they want to hear, even though many conservative media outlets have an even worse track record with the truth than the MSM does.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2024 21:25     Subject: Re:ABC News interview TONIGHT with Biden

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought this was an interesting viewpoint.



+1 Yes, I agree it's an interesting viewpoint. Probably considerable truth there.


-1 It's pretty hard to believe that conservatives have much of a clue about what the media outside of right wing media reports on, given how many things they consistently get wrong, for example the astoundingly large percentage that believe Trump won the election and that it was stolen from him, the large percentage that underestimate wealth inequality, the fact that only 62% of Republicans even believe in climate change, with only 34% believing that human activity has anything to do with it. That ignores a ton of science. That list of baffling conservative beliefs goes on and on and on and on.

I mean, if they look at non-conservative media sources at all, they must be immediately making an irrational choice that "the left lies, therefore I will believe the opposite?"


PP here. I live in Georgia. The conservatives I know are college educated, not in denial about climate change, work hard, pay taxes, go to church/synagogue/mosque, and often are small business owners. They want tighter controls at our borders, a strong military, lowered inflation, better public education with a focus on academics and vocational training, and violent criminals and repeat criminals kept in prison (or hospitalized longterm for mental health issues).



I guess that makes me a conservative too. And by that definition, 80 percent of Americans would identify as conservative as well.


I am so damned tired of the shrill fringes of both parties hogging all the air in the room. It’s impossible to be a moderate anymore. I want a push toward a reasonable and sustainable center. Can’t we all just get along and realize we’re in this together?


I’m just sad Biden didn’t govern as moderate. I think most of us had hopes when he was elected that he would but instead he swung far left.