Anonymous
Post 06/13/2023 00:23     Subject: Lock him up indictment FL

Seriously, the people still backing Trump on this are either a.) complete morons or b.) truly do not have our nation's best interests at heart or c.) some combination of the above. There is no d.)
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 23:36     Subject: Lock him up indictment FL

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Trump supporters - is there ANYTHING he could do to lose your support ? Really ask yourself.

Nope. This guy’s literally like “any other defendant with these facts should do a quick plea bargain but because he was president..


How is it an "institutional norm?" How many former Presidents ran for office under such a massive and ongoing legal cloud?

Yoo is full of crap.


The institutional norms were that presidents were not by and large habitual criminals.
Nixon resigned, spending his last night in office praying with Billy Graham I believe. He kept quiet for a very long time afterward.
Clinton was impeached just once
Harding died before he could be implicated in the scandals within his administration
Johnson (Andrew) was impeached just once
U.S. Grant was never directly implicated in corruption involving his administration
Reagan was a potential target with Iran-Contra, but Ollie got all the attention and Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimers (and likely already affected by it while President) not long after

Trump has always been about "getting away with it" because he's a "star"


And none of them - Nixon, Clinton, Harding, etc came back to run again saying "hey you can't prosecute because I used to be President!" Not a one.

Sorry, Yoo. It is not an institutional norm. The right needs to stop fabricating utter bullshit to defend Trump.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 23:34     Subject: Re:Lock him up indictment FL

It's absolutely hilarious to see Gym Jordan flail around trying to defend Trump with one absolutely unhinged and totally WRONG assertion after another...



FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 23:28     Subject: Lock him up indictment FL

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps the administration could do us all a favor and declassify some of the documents at issue if it can be done safely, so we can see just how bad it was. People need to know. Right now it’s too abstract for the average person who has no experience with national security to understand and accept. I imagine the intelligence agencies have been working overtime to manage the fallout.


I would rather not threaten national security by exposing information about our military plans, capabilities and intelligence gathering sources and methods just to satisfy people's curiosity.


Of course not, but maybe to save the republic? A second Trump term would be the end as far as I’m concerned.


You really think all the nutjobs on here claiming that Smith made up the tape of Trump admitting he didn't declassify the docs, that Trump had a right to take classified docs under the PRA, that Clinton did the same thing, etc. are suddenly going to be convinced if the feds just declassify these docs and show how bad they are? Please. They will just claim Smith is lying, planted them, or whatever. They are loony toons.


I think educating the American public about the good reasons we have laws protecting classified information seems necessary at this point in time. There seems to be a real lack of understanding among even normal non-nut-jobs.


The polls indicate the american people by and large get it. But releasing the docs would just give the RWNJs another talking point- if these are so sensitive, why did you just release them to the world?


Well, the were secret, until he stole them. You are raising a good point—but I don’t know how to educate people without giving examples of the damage this caused. Which I’m sure it did. For all we know, people have died.


The docs are described in the indictment. It's not really all that hard to understand why docs "concerning military contingency planning of the United States" or "concerning nuclear weaponry of the United States" would be important to keep secret.


Actually it is. Most voters don’t read books, you know? The need a picture.


It's not just about classification anyway. section 793 ssays zilch about classification. It's about defense information that could harm the United States. These are also NOT Presidential Records.

A possible analogy would be a CEO for Coke running off with the secret recipe he snatched as he was leaving and waving it at his buddies. Just because he worked for the company does not entitle him to its secrets.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 23:23     Subject: Lock him up indictment FL

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Trump supporters - is there ANYTHING he could do to lose your support ? Really ask yourself.

Nope. This guy’s literally like “any other defendant with these facts should do a quick plea bargain but because he was president..


How is it an "institutional norm?" How many former Presidents ran for office under such a massive and ongoing legal cloud?

Yoo is full of crap.


The institutional norms were that presidents were not by and large habitual criminals.
Nixon resigned, spending his last night in office praying with Billy Graham I believe. He kept quiet for a very long time afterward.
Clinton was impeached just once
Harding died before he could be implicated in the scandals within his administration
Johnson (Andrew) was impeached just once
U.S. Grant was never directly implicated in corruption involving his administration
Reagan was a potential target with Iran-Contra, but Ollie got all the attention and Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimers (and likely already affected by it while President) not long after

Trump has always been about "getting away with it" because he's a "star"
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 23:19     Subject: Lock him up indictment FL

Anonymous wrote:It will take two generations of attrition for our country to return to some semblance of political health, barring any DiSantis24/28 type setback.


If DeSantis wins we never vote again he will be king and it will be horrible

Read his statements today on SCOTUS

Plus Casey omg she’s horrific already stole $ 80, mil herself . We don’t need a queen of DeSantis land ugh

Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 22:44     Subject: Lock him up indictment FL

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Muller couldn't prosecute Trump because the DOJ said only Congress should prosecute a sitting president.

Congress refused to prosecute Trump because it was close to an election and "the public should decide".

After the election and the attack on the Capitol, Republicans wouldn't prosecute Trump because he was about to become a private citizen so the point was moot.

And so NOW we can't prosecute Trump as a private citizen because he's planning to run for office????

STFU republican shills


Exactly. Nothing but excuses. From the same a-holes who screamed "lock her up" when they had even less on Hillary.


There's never a good time to prosecute their cult leader.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 22:31     Subject: Lock him up indictment FL

Lock him up, lock him up!

Trump traitors are all about excuses, aren't they.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 21:10     Subject: Lock him up indictment FL

Anonymous wrote:Muller couldn't prosecute Trump because the DOJ said only Congress should prosecute a sitting president.

Congress refused to prosecute Trump because it was close to an election and "the public should decide".

After the election and the attack on the Capitol, Republicans wouldn't prosecute Trump because he was about to become a private citizen so the point was moot.

And so NOW we can't prosecute Trump as a private citizen because he's planning to run for office????

STFU republican shills


Exactly. Nothing but excuses. From the same a-holes who screamed "lock her up" when they had even less on Hillary.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 20:52     Subject: Re:Lock him up indictment FL

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Hey look a Republican who read the indictment.

Oh FFS, she was in his cabinet. She knew then and knows now full well what a snake Trump is. She’s spineless.

Hit submit too soon. My point is that she shouldn’t get points when it’s clear she smells blood in the water. She and all the other spineless Republicans should have spoken up forcefully and let the party take the hit rather than let the country get slowly twisted and destroyed by Republicans disrespecting it.


It's the same thing with Chris Christie. He was in the August 2016 FBI briefings and knew what kind of threat Trump posed to the country and waited til now to open his yap about it.


They are all opportunists that value their own self interests over morals and values, party or country.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 20:47     Subject: Re:Lock him up indictment FL

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hey look a Republican who read the indictment.

Oh FFS, she was in his cabinet. She knew then and knows now full well what a snake Trump is. She’s spineless.

Hit submit too soon. My point is that she shouldn’t get points when it’s clear she smells blood in the water. She and all the other spineless Republicans should have spoken up forcefully and let the party take the hit rather than let the country get slowly twisted and destroyed by Republicans disrespecting it.


It's the same thing with Chris Christie. He was in the August 2016 FBI briefings and knew what kind of threat Trump posed to the country and waited til now to open his yap about it.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 20:41     Subject: Lock him up indictment FL

Muller couldn't prosecute Trump because the DOJ said only Congress should prosecute a sitting president.

Congress refused to prosecute Trump because it was close to an election and "the public should decide".

After the election and the attack on the Capitol, Republicans wouldn't prosecute Trump because he was about to become a private citizen so the point was moot.

And so NOW we can't prosecute Trump as a private citizen because he's planning to run for office????

STFU republican shills
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 20:41     Subject: Re:Lock him up indictment FL

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hey look a Republican who read the indictment.

Oh FFS, she was in his cabinet. She knew then and knows now full well what a snake Trump is. She’s spineless.

Hit submit too soon. My point is that she shouldn’t get points when it’s clear she smells blood in the water. She and all the other spineless Republicans should have spoken up forcefully and let the party take the hit rather than let the country get slowly twisted and destroyed by Republicans disrespecting it.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 20:39     Subject: Re:Lock him up indictment FL

Anonymous wrote:Hey look a Republican who read the indictment.

Oh FFS, she was in his cabinet. She knew then and knows now full well what a snake Trump is. She’s spineless.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 20:37     Subject: Lock him up indictment FL

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Trump supporters - is there ANYTHING he could do to lose your support ? Really ask yourself.

Nope. This guy’s literally like “any other defendant with these facts should do a quick plea bargain but because he was president..


How is it an "institutional norm?" How many former Presidents ran for office under such a massive and ongoing legal cloud?

Yoo is full of crap.


And of course Nixon was going to be indicted and prosecuted, which is why Ford broke institutional norms and granted him a blanket pardon.