My August son basically "failed" his entrance evaluation for first grade. The school said he wasn't ready, even though he was already reading. He was very shy and anxious, and kind of shut down during the evaluation. They recommended pre-first, something I didn't even know existed before that. At the time, I thought it was just a scam to get an extra year of $$ from us if we went to the school. In the end, we did it though, and it was easily the best thing for him. He did the pre-first year, then first grade was with many of those kids and most were within 3-6 months in terms of age. He wasn't the oldest, wasn't the youngest.

The class above him, which would have been his if we sent him right to first grade, turned out to be very clique-y and just not all that nice. My son's class had great kids and great parents. And we got an extra year with him before he moves away to college and beyond. He's in HS now and in hindsight, that pre-first year was one of the best decisions we made.

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Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

Funny how you are not at all ashamed of showing how little you can actually read.

+1. Also, what is APP? Did the anti-redshirting poster mean AAP? That’s funny

I’m down with APP.

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Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

Funny how you are not at all ashamed of showing how little you can actually read.

The anti redshirt nut considers herself right up there with the celebrated experts of the APP. She's a legend in her own warped mind.

We should get the anti-redshirters to try math again. High entertainment value.

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Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

Funny how you are not at all ashamed of showing how little you can actually read.

The anti redshirt nut considers herself right up there with the celebrated experts of the APP. She's a legend in her own warped mind.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

But where does it end? The child with the July birthday now has to go with your child who will be a year older than them. If the July child redshirts, now the June birthday will be the youngest. The only thing I have issue with is that it becomes an endless competition to not have the youngest child in the class.

Ask the private school where your child is applying where it ends. They will have a crisp answer that aligns with their admissions policies.

Goodness. It is absolutely remarkable how many people in this thread do not have a basic grasp of private school admissions and how they work.

It ends because not all children would benefit from being 1 year older. There are plenty of kids that for whatever reason are ready to go to school and be the youngest. Maybe because they have older siblings, maybe because they matured earlier, maybe because they are only children, maybe because they are girls… it does not matter why. Just how there are many reasons why some kids are not ready and would benefit from waiting 1 year, there are just as many kids who would be bored and would not gain anything from waiting 1 year.

That’s what is so great about giving parents the ability to choose. We know our kids best and we know what would benefit them the most. I redshirted my eldest DD form 6 days before cut off because she was immature, insecure and socially behind. I did not redshirt my second daughter because she was advanced in many ways, confident, independent and used to be around older kids.

Or maybe you had unrealistic ideas of what a five year old should look like. No five year old should be mature.

Sounds like the anti-redshirting troll doesn’t even have kids. So clueless.

Sounds like the person holding their kids back doesn't have a clue about child development. K is meant for 5 year olds, not 6.

Let it go. You're just a broken record spewing the same nonsense over and over.

K. was created for 5 year olds.

Kindergarten in 1975 was for 5 year olds.

And, yet, all those kids in 1975 did just fine starting at 5. So, why is it for all of history of schools, its been age five and all of the sudden 5 year olds are not ready?

It was half-day and they played and even napped.

Totally different.

We had full day no nap. Most kids are not napping by age 4. So, why is it 4 year olds can go to day care all day no nap and are ok. Why is it most 5 year olds go to k at age fine Al day, which isn’t even all day just fine and your child who you say has no special needs cannot? And, foreign countries start full day at the same age. Hum…..

Daycare is playing and resting (if not napping). It’s much different than K in 2023. You would know this if you had kids.

My kid could have started at 4y11mo - zero issues/concerns - but there was no rush so we waited.

Daycare vs Kindergarten is like night and day. Daycare is so much fun! You nap, color, have fun with friends and spend hours on the playground. My kids' Kindergarten doesn't even have a playground for Kindergartners to use (they get a courtyard with no toys or climbing structures). It's nonstop drilling for kids because the low income kids are so far behind. Over half the class didn't know or understand English. I understand why K has to be so rigorous, but maybe they should have worked with these kids in preschool instead of making K so awful?

The people whining about redshirting likely had wonderful Kindergartens like I remember. I napped, I played and it was more Montessori style. Change Kindergarten and I wouldn't need to redshirt my kids.

Actually, it is the same and if your child needs daycare for another year, they have special needs and need an evaluation. it's not non-stop drilling. Clearly you haven' t actually been in a K and if your kids are so advanced then it really made no sense to hold them back as those low income kids will surpass them getting the academics you are denying your kids.

This is really about you self segregating and the only way to do that was to go private.

Stay in your lane. You have no basis for determining what a child you have never met needs or doesn't need. No actual self respecting expert would dole out the "advice" you give here. You're a hack with an axe to grind.

The experts per the APP are saying to send children with delays. So, you need to stay in your lane.

The APP isn't one of the leading experts?

When the delay is immaturity due to being the very youngest and developing a little more slowly, holding back is perfectly rational. Schools have no magic bullet or therapy, other than time, that will help them. This is obvious to most. Why is more time so outrageous to you? I have yet to hear one valid explanation why this is never ok.

Except that isn't immaturity. Your child is age appropriate. So, no it's not a normal rational as holding them back and placing them with younger less mature kids isn't going to boost their maturity as their peer group is younger. You are masking the issues.

Your issues are on full display, unfortunately. Have you ever thought about seeking help?

Actually, it sounds like you need help given you neglected your child and ignored their social and emotional delays.

Sure, keep trying to mock my kid. It really makes you look even more foolish than you are, if that's even possible. Keep trying, troll.

Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one anti-redshirt person posting, or is a crazy single person devoting their life to keeping this thread alive?

I think there are two primary anti-redshirt posters in this thread. One is the absolutely nuts Natural Law lady, who outed herself earlier in the thread. I think that one doesn’t even have kids and based on what she says, should definitely never be anywhere close to children. The other is a grossly competitive mother who is actually sending her kid to public school, but who nonetheless remains profoundly obsessed with the admissions policies of private schools. Then there are a few who weigh in periodically but not nearly as much. For instance, there is the anti-redshirt PP from a few pages ago who flat-out said that she doesn’t think redshirting should be allowed except when she wants to do it; I have to say I appreciated that bald and openly hypocritical position (to be clear, I think all anti-shirters are hypocrites, but that one was more straightforward about the hypocrisy). They are all tremendously whiny.

My kids aren’t redshirted; I read the redshirting threads because they are often classic DCUM entertainment because of how bizarre the anti-redshirt posters are. I think my favorite anti-redshirt poster has to be the one from a couple of years ago who threw an absolute screaming fit because her kindergartner was too small for the rented rides at her private school’s entirely optional spring fair and that was somehow the fault of the private school redshirting. Or something. I was never entirely clear on the logic from that one, but it was enormously entertaining. Natural law anti-redshirter is high on my list of memorable DCUM characters, though, and I was delighted to see her resurgence in this thread.

Why anyone with any common sense whatsoever would look at these folks and think, “Why yes. That is the group I wish to be associated with” remains a mystery to me. 🤔 However, my cheap entertainment budget thanks you all very much!

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Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

Funny how you are not at all ashamed of showing how little you can actually read.

+1. Also, what is APP? Did the anti-redshirting poster mean AAP? That’s funny

Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

Funny how you are not at all ashamed of showing how little you can actually read.

The righteousness of some posters about the absoluteness of pre-ordained cut off by the state government is ridiculous.

States (and even counties) have different cut offs that are decided by local school officials. So a September 1 b day would go to K in one state and stay in preschool in another. An October (gasp) birthday would even stay in preschool in some states--oh the injustice of it all.

Which state is the 'expert' on appropriate birthday cut offs and which kids go to school when? Hint- none of them. The cut off date is totally arbitrary to a point. If your kid is within range of some pre-ordained cut off date, your kid will be considered on time or not on time depending on what state you happen to settle in.

I would not trust the state government with any decisions about my children's educational readiness or the experience they will have throughout 12 years of school. They are all about making policies and rules for scale and group management.

Nobody should attempting to take the moral high ground here about the virtuousness of deciding to send their kid to K based on a government set timeline. Being born at midnight on August 31 does not equate to readiness 'just because...'. It would be ridiculous to say a twin born at 11:59 on 8/31 is ready and the other one born a few minutes later on 1/1 is not. It's all arbitrary to a point within a few months...

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

But where does it end? The child with the July birthday now has to go with your child who will be a year older than them. If the July child redshirts, now the June birthday will be the youngest. The only thing I have issue with is that it becomes an endless competition to not have the youngest child in the class.

Ask the private school where your child is applying where it ends. They will have a crisp answer that aligns with their admissions policies.

Goodness. It is absolutely remarkable how many people in this thread do not have a basic grasp of private school admissions and how they work.

It ends because not all children would benefit from being 1 year older. There are plenty of kids that for whatever reason are ready to go to school and be the youngest. Maybe because they have older siblings, maybe because they matured earlier, maybe because they are only children, maybe because they are girls… it does not matter why. Just how there are many reasons why some kids are not ready and would benefit from waiting 1 year, there are just as many kids who would be bored and would not gain anything from waiting 1 year.

That’s what is so great about giving parents the ability to choose. We know our kids best and we know what would benefit them the most. I redshirted my eldest DD form 6 days before cut off because she was immature, insecure and socially behind. I did not redshirt my second daughter because she was advanced in many ways, confident, independent and used to be around older kids.

Or maybe you had unrealistic ideas of what a five year old should look like. No five year old should be mature.

Sounds like the anti-redshirting troll doesn’t even have kids. So clueless.

Sounds like the person holding their kids back doesn't have a clue about child development. K is meant for 5 year olds, not 6.

Let it go. You're just a broken record spewing the same nonsense over and over.

K. was created for 5 year olds.

Kindergarten in 1975 was for 5 year olds.

And, yet, all those kids in 1975 did just fine starting at 5. So, why is it for all of history of schools, its been age five and all of the sudden 5 year olds are not ready?

It was half-day and they played and even napped.

Totally different.

We had full day no nap. Most kids are not napping by age 4. So, why is it 4 year olds can go to day care all day no nap and are ok. Why is it most 5 year olds go to k at age fine Al day, which isn’t even all day just fine and your child who you say has no special needs cannot? And, foreign countries start full day at the same age. Hum…..

Daycare is playing and resting (if not napping). It’s much different than K in 2023. You would know this if you had kids.

My kid could have started at 4y11mo - zero issues/concerns - but there was no rush so we waited.

Daycare vs Kindergarten is like night and day. Daycare is so much fun! You nap, color, have fun with friends and spend hours on the playground. My kids' Kindergarten doesn't even have a playground for Kindergartners to use (they get a courtyard with no toys or climbing structures). It's nonstop drilling for kids because the low income kids are so far behind. Over half the class didn't know or understand English. I understand why K has to be so rigorous, but maybe they should have worked with these kids in preschool instead of making K so awful?

The people whining about redshirting likely had wonderful Kindergartens like I remember. I napped, I played and it was more Montessori style. Change Kindergarten and I wouldn't need to redshirt my kids.

Actually, it is the same and if your child needs daycare for another year, they have special needs and need an evaluation. it's not non-stop drilling. Clearly you haven' t actually been in a K and if your kids are so advanced then it really made no sense to hold them back as those low income kids will surpass them getting the academics you are denying your kids.

This is really about you self segregating and the only way to do that was to go private.

It’s not the same at all. You are clueless.

And you are a total twat for repeatedly using “special needs” as some kind of put down for PP’s kids. STFU.

Or “delays”… clearly the same poster over ad over.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

But where does it end? The child with the July birthday now has to go with your child who will be a year older than them. If the July child redshirts, now the June birthday will be the youngest. The only thing I have issue with is that it becomes an endless competition to not have the youngest child in the class.

Ask the private school where your child is applying where it ends. They will have a crisp answer that aligns with their admissions policies.

Goodness. It is absolutely remarkable how many people in this thread do not have a basic grasp of private school admissions and how they work.

It ends because not all children would benefit from being 1 year older. There are plenty of kids that for whatever reason are ready to go to school and be the youngest. Maybe because they have older siblings, maybe because they matured earlier, maybe because they are only children, maybe because they are girls… it does not matter why. Just how there are many reasons why some kids are not ready and would benefit from waiting 1 year, there are just as many kids who would be bored and would not gain anything from waiting 1 year.

That’s what is so great about giving parents the ability to choose. We know our kids best and we know what would benefit them the most. I redshirted my eldest DD form 6 days before cut off because she was immature, insecure and socially behind. I did not redshirt my second daughter because she was advanced in many ways, confident, independent and used to be around older kids.

Or maybe you had unrealistic ideas of what a five year old should look like. No five year old should be mature.

Sounds like the anti-redshirting troll doesn’t even have kids. So clueless.

Sounds like the person holding their kids back doesn't have a clue about child development. K is meant for 5 year olds, not 6.

Let it go. You're just a broken record spewing the same nonsense over and over.

K. was created for 5 year olds.

Kindergarten in 1975 was for 5 year olds.

And, yet, all those kids in 1975 did just fine starting at 5. So, why is it for all of history of schools, its been age five and all of the sudden 5 year olds are not ready?

It was half-day and they played and even napped.

Totally different.

We had full day no nap. Most kids are not napping by age 4. So, why is it 4 year olds can go to day care all day no nap and are ok. Why is it most 5 year olds go to k at age fine Al day, which isn’t even all day just fine and your child who you say has no special needs cannot? And, foreign countries start full day at the same age. Hum…..

Daycare is playing and resting (if not napping). It’s much different than K in 2023. You would know this if you had kids.

My kid could have started at 4y11mo - zero issues/concerns - but there was no rush so we waited.

Daycare vs Kindergarten is like night and day. Daycare is so much fun! You nap, color, have fun with friends and spend hours on the playground. My kids' Kindergarten doesn't even have a playground for Kindergartners to use (they get a courtyard with no toys or climbing structures). It's nonstop drilling for kids because the low income kids are so far behind. Over half the class didn't know or understand English. I understand why K has to be so rigorous, but maybe they should have worked with these kids in preschool instead of making K so awful?

The people whining about redshirting likely had wonderful Kindergartens like I remember. I napped, I played and it was more Montessori style. Change Kindergarten and I wouldn't need to redshirt my kids.

Actually, it is the same and if your child needs daycare for another year, they have special needs and need an evaluation. it's not non-stop drilling. Clearly you haven' t actually been in a K and if your kids are so advanced then it really made no sense to hold them back as those low income kids will surpass them getting the academics you are denying your kids.

This is really about you self segregating and the only way to do that was to go private.

It’s not the same at all. You are clueless.

And you are a total twat for repeatedly using “special needs” as some kind of put down for PP’s kids. STFU.

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This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

But where does it end? The child with the July birthday now has to go with your child who will be a year older than them. If the July child redshirts, now the June birthday will be the youngest. The only thing I have issue with is that it becomes an endless competition to not have the youngest child in the class.

Ask the private school where your child is applying where it ends. They will have a crisp answer that aligns with their admissions policies.

Goodness. It is absolutely remarkable how many people in this thread do not have a basic grasp of private school admissions and how they work.

It ends because not all children would benefit from being 1 year older. There are plenty of kids that for whatever reason are ready to go to school and be the youngest. Maybe because they have older siblings, maybe because they matured earlier, maybe because they are only children, maybe because they are girls… it does not matter why. Just how there are many reasons why some kids are not ready and would benefit from waiting 1 year, there are just as many kids who would be bored and would not gain anything from waiting 1 year.

That’s what is so great about giving parents the ability to choose. We know our kids best and we know what would benefit them the most. I redshirted my eldest DD form 6 days before cut off because she was immature, insecure and socially behind. I did not redshirt my second daughter because she was advanced in many ways, confident, independent and used to be around older kids.

Or maybe you had unrealistic ideas of what a five year old should look like. No five year old should be mature.

Sounds like the anti-redshirting troll doesn’t even have kids. So clueless.

Sounds like the person holding their kids back doesn't have a clue about child development. K is meant for 5 year olds, not 6.

Let it go. You're just a broken record spewing the same nonsense over and over.

K. was created for 5 year olds.

Kindergarten in 1975 was for 5 year olds.

And, yet, all those kids in 1975 did just fine starting at 5. So, why is it for all of history of schools, its been age five and all of the sudden 5 year olds are not ready?

It was half-day and they played and even napped.

Totally different.

We had full day no nap. Most kids are not napping by age 4. So, why is it 4 year olds can go to day care all day no nap and are ok. Why is it most 5 year olds go to k at age fine Al day, which isn’t even all day just fine and your child who you say has no special needs cannot? And, foreign countries start full day at the same age. Hum…..

Daycare is playing and resting (if not napping). It’s much different than K in 2023. You would know this if you had kids.

My kid could have started at 4y11mo - zero issues/concerns - but there was no rush so we waited.

Daycare vs Kindergarten is like night and day. Daycare is so much fun! You nap, color, have fun with friends and spend hours on the playground. My kids' Kindergarten doesn't even have a playground for Kindergartners to use (they get a courtyard with no toys or climbing structures). It's nonstop drilling for kids because the low income kids are so far behind. Over half the class didn't know or understand English. I understand why K has to be so rigorous, but maybe they should have worked with these kids in preschool instead of making K so awful?

The people whining about redshirting likely had wonderful Kindergartens like I remember. I napped, I played and it was more Montessori style. Change Kindergarten and I wouldn't need to redshirt my kids.

Why can't you change kindergartens? They are not all the same.

Exactly, if you want Montessori, then why wouldn't you do that? Both would be private schools. Your issue is with the curriculum at the school you choose.

If you are saying you are holding back your kids because of social and other delays, then per the APP they are saying to send them.

I realize this is the private school forum, but I cannot afford private and have to send my kids to my local school. There isn't such a thing as school choice in public schools. You go to whatever school they tell you to. (Yes, I'm bitter that my schools were redistricted and that neighbors just 3 houses down get to go to a 7/10 school and mine is now 1/10).

Many school districts offer option programs.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

But where does it end? The child with the July birthday now has to go with your child who will be a year older than them. If the July child redshirts, now the June birthday will be the youngest. The only thing I have issue with is that it becomes an endless competition to not have the youngest child in the class.

Ask the private school where your child is applying where it ends. They will have a crisp answer that aligns with their admissions policies.

Goodness. It is absolutely remarkable how many people in this thread do not have a basic grasp of private school admissions and how they work.

It ends because not all children would benefit from being 1 year older. There are plenty of kids that for whatever reason are ready to go to school and be the youngest. Maybe because they have older siblings, maybe because they matured earlier, maybe because they are only children, maybe because they are girls… it does not matter why. Just how there are many reasons why some kids are not ready and would benefit from waiting 1 year, there are just as many kids who would be bored and would not gain anything from waiting 1 year.

That’s what is so great about giving parents the ability to choose. We know our kids best and we know what would benefit them the most. I redshirted my eldest DD form 6 days before cut off because she was immature, insecure and socially behind. I did not redshirt my second daughter because she was advanced in many ways, confident, independent and used to be around older kids.

Or maybe you had unrealistic ideas of what a five year old should look like. No five year old should be mature.

Sounds like the anti-redshirting troll doesn’t even have kids. So clueless.

Sounds like the person holding their kids back doesn't have a clue about child development. K is meant for 5 year olds, not 6.

Let it go. You're just a broken record spewing the same nonsense over and over.

K. was created for 5 year olds.

Kindergarten in 1975 was for 5 year olds.

And, yet, all those kids in 1975 did just fine starting at 5. So, why is it for all of history of schools, its been age five and all of the sudden 5 year olds are not ready?

It was half-day and they played and even napped.

Totally different.

We had full day no nap. Most kids are not napping by age 4. So, why is it 4 year olds can go to day care all day no nap and are ok. Why is it most 5 year olds go to k at age fine Al day, which isn’t even all day just fine and your child who you say has no special needs cannot? And, foreign countries start full day at the same age. Hum…..

Daycare is playing and resting (if not napping). It’s much different than K in 2023. You would know this if you had kids.

My kid could have started at 4y11mo - zero issues/concerns - but there was no rush so we waited.

Daycare vs Kindergarten is like night and day. Daycare is so much fun! You nap, color, have fun with friends and spend hours on the playground. My kids' Kindergarten doesn't even have a playground for Kindergartners to use (they get a courtyard with no toys or climbing structures). It's nonstop drilling for kids because the low income kids are so far behind. Over half the class didn't know or understand English. I understand why K has to be so rigorous, but maybe they should have worked with these kids in preschool instead of making K so awful?

The people whining about redshirting likely had wonderful Kindergartens like I remember. I napped, I played and it was more Montessori style. Change Kindergarten and I wouldn't need to redshirt my kids.

Actually, it is the same and if your child needs daycare for another year, they have special needs and need an evaluation. it's not non-stop drilling. Clearly you haven' t actually been in a K and if your kids are so advanced then it really made no sense to hold them back as those low income kids will surpass them getting the academics you are denying your kids.

This is really about you self segregating and the only way to do that was to go private.

Stay in your lane. You have no basis for determining what a child you have never met needs or doesn't need. No actual self respecting expert would dole out the "advice" you give here. You're a hack with an axe to grind.

The experts per the APP are saying to send children with delays. So, you need to stay in your lane.

The APP isn't one of the leading experts?

When the delay is immaturity due to being the very youngest and developing a little more slowly, holding back is perfectly rational. Schools have no magic bullet or therapy, other than time, that will help them. This is obvious to most. Why is more time so outrageous to you? I have yet to hear one valid explanation why this is never ok.

Except that isn't immaturity. Your child is age appropriate. So, no it's not a normal rational as holding them back and placing them with younger less mature kids isn't going to boost their maturity as their peer group is younger. You are masking the issues.

Your issues are on full display, unfortunately. Have you ever thought about seeking help?

Actually, it sounds like you need help given you neglected your child and ignored their social and emotional delays.

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Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

If the options are crappy home environment vs age-inappropriate K, then, yes, K might be the best option.

Recommended for health equity reasons because school is better than home for some kids. It's like PP didn't even read the links that are supposedly so convincing.

Rich held back kids can also have a crappy home life. Especially those whose parents ignore their delays.

Not all low income kids have crappy home lives.

Its amazing how many kids go to K at 5 per the APP recommendation and are just fine and yet yours cannot.

This isn't about your kids at all. It's about getting into a private who doesn't have enough slots so they can spread out acceptances by holding back kids. It isn't about the kids at all but about the parent and school.

It's the AAP. And your link doesn't talk about rich held back kids so you better go find another source for your dubious claims. It only talks about specific kids. From your source:
Full-Day Kindergarten Programs includes a recommendation to offer full-day kindergarten programs to improve health prospects of low-income and racial and ethnic minority children

And if its not about the kids, why do you even care?

It impacts those of us who have young for the grade kids as the teachers and schools have unrealistic expectations for 5-year-olds, just like you do.

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Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

If the options are crappy home environment vs age-inappropriate K, then, yes, K might be the best option.

Recommended for health equity reasons because school is better than home for some kids. It's like PP didn't even read the links that are supposedly so convincing.

Rich held back kids can also have a crappy home life. Especially those whose parents ignore their delays.

Not all low income kids have crappy home lives.

Its amazing how many kids go to K at 5 per the APP recommendation and are just fine and yet yours cannot.

This isn't about your kids at all. It's about getting into a private who doesn't have enough slots so they can spread out acceptances by holding back kids. It isn't about the kids at all but about the parent and school.

It's the AAP. And your link doesn't talk about rich held back kids so you better go find another source for your dubious claims. It only talks about specific kids. From your source:
Full-Day Kindergarten Programs includes a recommendation to offer full-day kindergarten programs to improve health prospects of low-income and racial and ethnic minority children

And if its not about the kids, why do you even care?