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Anonymous wrote:

This is not an IEP issue, and it never was. It’s very obvious that this child needed to be institutionalized, even if he was never properly diagnosed. The family turns out to be disturbing and enabling the trauma and endangerment of many others. They are probably aware of many other instances that would set off alarm bells. The administration - an utter failure beyond the pale. If anything good comes off of this, I hope Ms Zwerner will never have to work again a day in her life, not the teacher who was strangled, and the parents of the classmates should be livid and sue as well. Nothing changes in this country without big lawsuits.
School districts take notice. Don’t confuse children who benefit from inclusion and children who are well on the path to become killers. This should not be that hard.

Good points, but I cannot buy into the bad seed belief.
Not sure how accrurate the earlier post about his home evnironment is, but I find it to be believable. Sounds to me like he definitely needed to be removed from that encironment and put into some kind of special place.

As far as the bad seed, it’s not a belief; there is a medical condition where a certain part of the brain is underdeveloped. It cannot be cured and leads to violent/evil behavior very early on. It will be obvious to the parents (and others) with many red flags. It is rare of course, but these kids end up in prison or institutions.

With a mom who does not keep her gun safely away from a disturbed child, there is something else going on here.

I'd still like to know more about the actions of the family with this child. Someone posted above about the family from social media. It may or may not be true. If it is true, this child has been rewarded for inappropriate and disturbing behavior.

The father has a FB live stream that was still up the other day. The very small kid says he is going to shoot someone, then looks to father and makes eye contact. The family did call him "Badness." He was groomed and rewarded with attention for violent and anti-social behavior. Think of the power and attention of a parent going to school and focusing on him. Several generations of young teen parents. The parents and at least one grandmother were all quite engagged with him, none were in prison or abandoned him, yet the socialization was inverted somehow. It is shocking to see how small and young the boy is and to try to reconcile that with the teacher saying she will never forget the look in his eyes. The boy was violent toward peers and has so much anger. In one photo he appears to be alone playing GTA, a violent video game. Had he been removed for a time and had gotten interventions when he strangled a teacher at 5, so much could have been averted.

He does have very low ears, as does the alleged killer in Idaho so there may be genetics and environment both at play.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is not an IEP issue, and it never was. It’s very obvious that this child needed to be institutionalized, even if he was never properly diagnosed. The family turns out to be disturbing and enabling the trauma and endangerment of many others. They are probably aware of many other instances that would set off alarm bells. The administration - an utter failure beyond the pale. If anything good comes off of this, I hope Ms Zwerner will never have to work again a day in her life, not the teacher who was strangled, and the parents of the classmates should be livid and sue as well. Nothing changes in this country without big lawsuits.
School districts take notice. Don’t confuse children who benefit from inclusion and children who are well on the path to become killers. This should not be that hard.

Good points, but I cannot buy into the bad seed belief.
Not sure how accrurate the earlier post about his home evnironment is, but I find it to be believable. Sounds to me like he definitely needed to be removed from that encironment and put into some kind of special place.

As far as the bad seed, it’s not a belief; there is a medical condition where a certain part of the brain is underdeveloped. It cannot be cured and leads to violent/evil behavior very early on. It will be obvious to the parents (and others) with many red flags. It is rare of course, but these kids end up in prison or institutions.

With a mom who does not keep her gun safely away from a disturbed child, there is something else going on here.

I'd still like to know more about the actions of the family with this child. Someone posted above about the family from social media. It may or may not be true. If it is true, this child has been rewarded for inappropriate and disturbing behavior.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is not an IEP issue, and it never was. It’s very obvious that this child needed to be institutionalized, even if he was never properly diagnosed. The family turns out to be disturbing and enabling the trauma and endangerment of many others. They are probably aware of many other instances that would set off alarm bells. The administration - an utter failure beyond the pale. If anything good comes off of this, I hope Ms Zwerner will never have to work again a day in her life, not the teacher who was strangled, and the parents of the classmates should be livid and sue as well. Nothing changes in this country without big lawsuits.
School districts take notice. Don’t confuse children who benefit from inclusion and children who are well on the path to become killers. This should not be that hard.

Good points, but I cannot buy into the bad seed belief.
Not sure how accrurate the earlier post about his home evnironment is, but I find it to be believable. Sounds to me like he definitely needed to be removed from that encironment and put into some kind of special place.

As far as the bad seed, it’s not a belief; there is a medical condition where a certain part of the brain is underdeveloped. It cannot be cured and leads to violent/evil behavior very early on. It will be obvious to the parents (and others) with many red flags. It is rare of course, but these kids end up in prison or institutions.

Anonymous wrote:

This is not an IEP issue, and it never was. It’s very obvious that this child needed to be institutionalized, even if he was never properly diagnosed. The family turns out to be disturbing and enabling the trauma and endangerment of many others. They are probably aware of many other instances that would set off alarm bells. The administration - an utter failure beyond the pale. If anything good comes off of this, I hope Ms Zwerner will never have to work again a day in her life, not the teacher who was strangled, and the parents of the classmates should be livid and sue as well. Nothing changes in this country without big lawsuits.
School districts take notice. Don’t confuse children who benefit from inclusion and children who are well on the path to become killers. This should not be that hard.

Good points, but I cannot buy into the bad seed belief.
Not sure how accrurate the earlier post about his home evnironment is, but I find it to be believable. Sounds to me like he definitely needed to be removed from that encironment and put into some kind of special place.

This is not an IEP issue, and it never was. It’s very obvious that this child needed to be institutionalized, even if he was never properly diagnosed. The family turns out to be disturbing and enabling the trauma and endangerment of many others. They are probably aware of many other instances that would set off alarm bells. The administration - an utter failure beyond the pale. If anything good comes off of this, I hope Ms Zwerner will never have to work again a day in her life, not the teacher who was strangled, and the parents of the classmates should be livid and sue as well. Nothing changes in this country without big lawsuits.
School districts take notice. Don’t confuse children who benefit from inclusion and children who are well on the path to become killers. This should not be that hard.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/criminal-probe-focuses-on-virginia-school-where-boy-6-shot-teacher/3326779/

I fully expect that the school administrators will end up indicted as well.

The AP resigned right away. She was apparently the one who made the call not to search the kid. it's been a long time since I was a first grade teacher, but I cannot imagine asking permission to get the child to empty his pockets. From reports, she was the one who heard all the reports that day. Wonder if she has a connection to the mom?

From many reports, the child was known as trouble and had been assigned from another school.

That’s even worse, they endangered the children and staff at two schools! Why does this happen? No reassignments for these kids. Out of the public classroom, period.

The whole point of wanting to mainstream kids with IEPs has been completely twisted. The purpose wasn’t so that violent Larlo could never be removed from a mainstream school, it was so Carlo with dyslexia could still receive the same educational opportunities as kids who are able to learn traditionally. Larlo and Carlo are not the same and it is ok to admit that and act accordingly.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/criminal-probe-focuses-on-virginia-school-where-boy-6-shot-teacher/3326779/

I fully expect that the school administrators will end up indicted as well.

The AP resigned right away. She was apparently the one who made the call not to search the kid. it's been a long time since I was a first grade teacher, but I cannot imagine asking permission to get the child to empty his pockets. From reports, she was the one who heard all the reports that day. Wonder if she has a connection to the mom?

From many reports, the child was known as trouble and had been assigned from another school.

LSA has gone through the Facebook pages of the parents and grandmother and public tweets. They are multigenerational teenaged parents who called the boy “badness.” There are snaps of him mean-mugging and others of him as a cop. It seems he was raised to be tough, which translated through extreme immaturity typical of a child means pure meanness and cruelty. One parent or grandma posted, amused, that the boy asked when he’d get to have grandma accompany him at school. These are disgusting, stupid, amoral, selfish, self-impressed people who used IMO a completely fake claim of SN or disability and forced a school teacher to deal with an already incorrigible monster. The other kids he assaulted, whipped, and molested were 5 or 6. And I think the disdain the teacher faced had to do with race and age, like she was being a Karen for noting that the nasty turd was having a “violent day” after he smashed her phone. May all the adults who failed the teacher and other students pay. That kid can’t be saved, I don’t care what some liar says.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/criminal-probe-focuses-on-virginia-school-where-boy-6-shot-teacher/3326779/

I fully expect that the school administrators will end up indicted as well.

The AP resigned right away. She was apparently the one who made the call not to search the kid. it's been a long time since I was a first grade teacher, but I cannot imagine asking permission to get the child to empty his pockets. From reports, she was the one who heard all the reports that day. Wonder if she has a connection to the mom?

From many reports, the child was known as trouble and had been assigned from another school.

That’s even worse, they endangered the children and staff at two schools! Why does this happen? No reassignments for these kids. Out of the public classroom, period.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school had no doors and there were no lock down drills. And he was only there for a half a day.

Wow.

I know that people are all like: parents should have a voice in their kids education. But it really sounds like the teachers should have a stronger voice. And I know that my IEP friends are going to be enraged about this: but if your kid is violent he really can’t be protected by an IEP anymore.

If your child was an adult, he would be tried for assault. If you think that your child’s aggressive behavior should be excused- you’re part of the problem.

And for goodness sake: teachers can’t hit a child back. They are not allowed because they can be sued for hitting a kid. Which is at this point a result of the parents being awful.

If your kid is strangling teachers or other kids: they should be suspended for a week and expelled with a second offense. I’m sorry: but if you can’t raise your kids to not be violent, then it isn’t the school systems responsibility to fix your kid. It’s yours.

This. Virtual schooling exists now. The laws need to be changed. If your kid is violent, you go to virtual public school. Make it the parents’ problem every day and see how quickly many of them get their kid help, rather than sending their kids to school to ge someone else’s problem five days a week and sticking their heads in the sand.

“But I haaaave to wooooork.” Don’t care. Figure it out.

It is terrible that it took something like to change the way schools deal with violent kids, but now that this school system is going to have to pay millions to Abby Zwerner for this (and she deserves every last penny available to her under the school system’s insurance policy) it will make a difference. Every parent of a kid physically assaulted by one of these problem children that are never removed from a school should lawyer up and threaten to sue. These incidents don’t happen in a vacuum there is always a trail demonstrating that the administration was on notice of the kid’s violent behavior and risk to others. This isn’t an IEP issue either, requiring a kid to be accompanied to school by a parent because they are so violent is not an IEP.

Exactly. FCPS administers had better take note if they continually protect violent kids in school. And we don’t need to wait for a shooting either. Enough is enough.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school had no doors and there were no lock down drills. And he was only there for a half a day.

Wow.

I know that people are all like: parents should have a voice in their kids education. But it really sounds like the teachers should have a stronger voice. And I know that my IEP friends are going to be enraged about this: but if your kid is violent he really can’t be protected by an IEP anymore.

If your child was an adult, he would be tried for assault. If you think that your child’s aggressive behavior should be excused- you’re part of the problem.

And for goodness sake: teachers can’t hit a child back. They are not allowed because they can be sued for hitting a kid. Which is at this point a result of the parents being awful.

If your kid is strangling teachers or other kids: they should be suspended for a week and expelled with a second offense. I’m sorry: but if you can’t raise your kids to not be violent, then it isn’t the school systems responsibility to fix your kid. It’s yours.

This. Virtual schooling exists now. The laws need to be changed. If your kid is violent, you go to virtual public school. Make it the parents’ problem every day and see how quickly many of them get their kid help, rather than sending their kids to school to ge someone else’s problem five days a week and sticking their heads in the sand.

“But I haaaave to wooooork.” Don’t care. Figure it out.

It is terrible that it took something like to change the way schools deal with violent kids, but now that this school system is going to have to pay millions to Abby Zwerner for this (and she deserves every last penny available to her under the school system’s insurance policy) it will make a difference. Every parent of a kid physically assaulted by one of these problem children that are never removed from a school should lawyer up and threaten to sue. These incidents don’t happen in a vacuum there is always a trail demonstrating that the administration was on notice of the kid’s violent behavior and risk to others. This isn’t an IEP issue either, requiring a kid to be accompanied to school by a parent because they are so violent is not an IEP.

Exactly. FCPS administers had better take note if they continually protect violent kids in school. And we don’t need to wait for a shooting either. Enough is enough.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/criminal-probe-focuses-on-virginia-school-where-boy-6-shot-teacher/3326779/

I fully expect that the school administrators will end up indicted as well.

The AP resigned right away. She was apparently the one who made the call not to search the kid. it's been a long time since I was a first grade teacher, but I cannot imagine asking permission to get the child to empty his pockets. From reports, she was the one who heard all the reports that day. Wonder if she has a connection to the mom?

From many reports, the child was known as trouble and had been assigned from another school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school had no doors and there were no lock down drills. And he was only there for a half a day.

Wow.

I know that people are all like: parents should have a voice in their kids education. But it really sounds like the teachers should have a stronger voice. And I know that my IEP friends are going to be enraged about this: but if your kid is violent he really can’t be protected by an IEP anymore.

If your child was an adult, he would be tried for assault. If you think that your child’s aggressive behavior should be excused- you’re part of the problem.

And for goodness sake: teachers can’t hit a child back. They are not allowed because they can be sued for hitting a kid. Which is at this point a result of the parents being awful.

If your kid is strangling teachers or other kids: they should be suspended for a week and expelled with a second offense. I’m sorry: but if you can’t raise your kids to not be violent, then it isn’t the school systems responsibility to fix your kid. It’s yours.

This. Virtual schooling exists now. The laws need to be changed. If your kid is violent, you go to virtual public school. Make it the parents’ problem every day and see how quickly many of them get their kid help, rather than sending their kids to school to ge someone else’s problem five days a week and sticking their heads in the sand.

“But I haaaave to wooooork.” Don’t care. Figure it out.

It is terrible that it took something like to change the way schools deal with violent kids, but now that this school system is going to have to pay millions to Abby Zwerner for this (and she deserves every last penny available to her under the school system’s insurance policy) it will make a difference. Every parent of a kid physically assaulted by one of these problem children that are never removed from a school should lawyer up and threaten to sue. These incidents don’t happen in a vacuum there is always a trail demonstrating that the administration was on notice of the kid’s violent behavior and risk to others. This isn’t an IEP issue either, requiring a kid to be accompanied to school by a parent because they are so violent is not an IEP.