Anonymous
06/03/2022 19:55
Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:Why do people want Special Olympics participants punished for not vaccinating? What if they can’t medically?
Then they will have a documented medical exception.
Anonymous
06/03/2022 19:53
Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Why do people want Special Olympics participants punished for not vaccinating? What if they can’t medically?
Anonymous
06/03/2022 19:15
Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
He is out of control.
Anonymous
06/03/2022 16:00
Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Is this fascist going to be our president? Cool.
Anonymous
06/03/2022 15:29
Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous
Anonymous
Anonymous
06/03/2022 11:24
Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So in the twitter/musk thread people are saying "free speech doesn’t mean without consequences" but here Disney can’t be punished because of "free speech". Which is it?
Are you really that dumb? Did you not take any high school government class?
The GOVERNMENT can not restrict free speech.
Private people are free to say and do whatever the heck you want in response to private people.
Correct. Now explain to the class how revoking a corporation's special privileges is restricting free speech.
Disney can say whatever they want, they aren't entitled to government handouts while they do so.
"Speech" is more than you and me talking. Actions can be speech (e.g. the NH "Live free or Die" license plate case is the classic law school example of this). Similarly, corporations have first amendment rights. REPUBLICANS usually LOVE that fact, except when they don't. Sorry, sweetie. You are flatly incorrect. When a government targets a specific corporation for punishment for free speech, which is exactly what happened here, that is a 1st amendment violation. This is not a "privileges" or "handouts" issue, though nice try on that one. It's a constitutional rights issue.
Anonymous
Anonymous
05/09/2022 22:27
Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Republican support for DeSantis’ Disney move is starting to fracture.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/05/06/politics/ron-desantis-florida-disney-republicans/index.html
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/05/06/politics/ron-desantis-florida-disney-republicans/index.html
Anonymous
05/04/2022 13:16
Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So in the twitter/musk thread people are saying "free speech doesn’t mean without consequences" but here Disney can’t be punished because of "free speech". Which is it?
Are you really that dumb? Did you not take any high school government class?
The GOVERNMENT can not restrict free speech.
Private people are free to say and do whatever the heck you want in response to private people.
Correct. Now explain to the class how revoking a corporation's special privileges is restricting free speech.
Disney can say whatever they want, they aren't entitled to government handouts while they do so.
When a government takes action to penalize someone for exercising their free speech rights, that is inherently a violation of the First Amendment. DeSantis and his administration have been very open that this was done to retaliate against Disney for exercising its free speech rights to oppose the Don’t Say Gay bill, and that if Disney publicly retracted it’s prior expressions of free speech and issued the “right” kind of speech, the retaliation would be undone. That is textbook violation of the First Amendment.
You can keep trying to deny this, but all you do is show that you fundamentally misunderstand the Constitution.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 13:15
Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So in the twitter/musk thread people are saying "free speech doesn’t mean without consequences" but here Disney can’t be punished because of "free speech". Which is it?
Are you really that dumb? Did you not take any high school government class?
The GOVERNMENT can not restrict free speech.
Private people are free to say and do whatever the heck you want in response to private people.
Correct. Now explain to the class how revoking a corporation's special privileges is restricting free speech.
Disney can say whatever they want, they aren't entitled to government handouts while they do so.
Are you kidding? Because they are punishing them for the speech. But for the speech, the "special privileges" would not be revoked. That is the very example of restricting free speech.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 13:12
Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So in the twitter/musk thread people are saying "free speech doesn’t mean without consequences" but here Disney can’t be punished because of "free speech". Which is it?
Are you really that dumb? Did you not take any high school government class?
The GOVERNMENT can not restrict free speech.
Private people are free to say and do whatever the heck you want in response to private people.
Correct. Now explain to the class how revoking a corporation's special privileges is restricting free speech.
Disney can say whatever they want, they aren't entitled to government handouts while they do so.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 12:00
Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:DeSantis has backed himself into a lose-lose-lose situation. If he goes through with the RCID dissolution in June of next year, he will lose his reelection when central Florida real estate markets crash due to the high levy of new property taxes. Orange County has a very good real estate market that will crash when property taxes go up 25% or more. There is no way he is going to get Disney to assume the debt bill with a dissolution of Reedy Creek. Disney will have that tied up in courts long after the June 2023 deadline and DeSantis is going to have to find a way for RCID to continue operations and paying their debt or go back to option 1 above, crash the central Florida real estate market and lose reelection. Alternatively, he can convince his bought and paid legislature to revoke the new law so that none of the above comes to pass.
If it ever lands in court, DeSantis will lose legally and his public image will be tarnished by the entire affair. There are no legal wins for DeSantis if this goes to court. And all Disney has to do it wait for DeSantis to try and figure out how he is going to enforce this dissolution AND figure out who will pay the debt. Once he settles on something, Disney will send it into the court system to make sure that DeSantis' loss is front page national news for weeks.
DeSantis violated the first amendment of the Constitution badly by singling out an individual corporation (which SCOTUS has already ruled has rights like citizens) to infringe upon their free speech rights. Disney was exercising free speech rights both in making campaign contributions and it disagreeing publicly with the new law and lobbying for the revocation of that law. By creating a second law targeting the corporation, DeSantis has a Constitutional case on his hands that he can never win, even with this court.
Well said. This is much more complicated than simply slapping Disney on the wrists with a loss of “status.” Plus the law the Florida congress passed had all sorts of dopey loopholes, that said things like the special status of Disney could be returned if Disney apologized for its “behavior” or if Disney’s leadership changed…
Anonymous
05/04/2022 10:54
Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
DeSantis has backed himself into a lose-lose-lose situation. If he goes through with the RCID dissolution in June of next year, he will lose his reelection when central Florida real estate markets crash due to the high levy of new property taxes. Orange County has a very good real estate market that will crash when property taxes go up 25% or more. There is no way he is going to get Disney to assume the debt bill with a dissolution of Reedy Creek. Disney will have that tied up in courts long after the June 2023 deadline and DeSantis is going to have to find a way for RCID to continue operations and paying their debt or go back to option 1 above, crash the central Florida real estate market and lose reelection. Alternatively, he can convince his bought and paid legislature to revoke the new law so that none of the above comes to pass.
If it ever lands in court, DeSantis will lose legally and his public image will be tarnished by the entire affair. There are no legal wins for DeSantis if this goes to court. And all Disney has to do it wait for DeSantis to try and figure out how he is going to enforce this dissolution AND figure out who will pay the debt. Once he settles on something, Disney will send it into the court system to make sure that DeSantis' loss is front page national news for weeks.
DeSantis violated the first amendment of the Constitution badly by singling out an individual corporation (which SCOTUS has already ruled has rights like citizens) to infringe upon their free speech rights. Disney was exercising free speech rights both in making campaign contributions and it disagreeing publicly with the new law and lobbying for the revocation of that law. By creating a second law targeting the corporation, DeSantis has a Constitutional case on his hands that he can never win, even with this court.
If it ever lands in court, DeSantis will lose legally and his public image will be tarnished by the entire affair. There are no legal wins for DeSantis if this goes to court. And all Disney has to do it wait for DeSantis to try and figure out how he is going to enforce this dissolution AND figure out who will pay the debt. Once he settles on something, Disney will send it into the court system to make sure that DeSantis' loss is front page national news for weeks.
DeSantis violated the first amendment of the Constitution badly by singling out an individual corporation (which SCOTUS has already ruled has rights like citizens) to infringe upon their free speech rights. Disney was exercising free speech rights both in making campaign contributions and it disagreeing publicly with the new law and lobbying for the revocation of that law. By creating a second law targeting the corporation, DeSantis has a Constitutional case on his hands that he can never win, even with this court.