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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can just completely ignore the mounting evidence that covid infections themselves, even when they don't kill you outright, even mild infections, can actually wreak havoc on your immune system, brain, internal organs, and who knows what else is just sticking their head in the sand and singing a happy tune to themselves.

It's everyone for themselves, and for some people that means unstrap all the safety equipment, point the car at the rock, and floor the gas.

The government is allowing you to do that, so feel free. Just don't be all "I wish I had ..." or "Nobody told me ..." if you win one of the sad prizes in the covid lottery.

Here's what I don't understand though. Sure, people might be one of the unlucky ones and get long covid and long-term problems. I agree.

But avoiding covid at all costs has a known 100 percent negative outcome. Avoiding unmasked indoor gatherings and having your children mask for the rest of their childhoods have known 100 percent negative costs to mental health, quality of life, and normal childhood development.

And if your response is oh we do gather indoors, then what are you going on about anyway? Or oh they won't have to mask forever, they just need to keep masking for now. Covid is here to stay so if your plan is make sure you never get it, your kids will need to mask for years to come.

I mean, imagine giving that speech to the people of London in Summer 1854 before physician John Snow told the city to shut down that one pump that was infecting everyone, because what's the sense of taking any precautions when cholera can't be stopped and will always be with us?

Scientists are working on vaccines that don't just stop deaths but also stop infections. They are working on better medicines to use when people get infected and on medicines for long covid symptoms. Just because I take a position on safety now doesn't mean I have to replicate that position for the rest of my life. But I can easily judge the risk of covid -- and all the attached unknowns -- as too great for my family right now and act appropriately. You guys seem to think you understand all the risks and they're no more than the flu, which is a ridiculous position really -- instead of truly understanding the risks you're just denying their existence. That's how my daughter used to behave when she didn't want to go to bed.

I don't know what you're talking about, 100% known negative outcome. We are living just fine. My kids are in school with masks. I'm at work several days a week in a mask and with a HEPA filter I brought from home. We get take out, and now that the weather's nicer we will go to restaurants and eat outside, like we did last year. I'll visit with family over the summer (not sure if we'll eat indoors then or not). This isn't quite normal life but we're not so deprived that it feels like some terrible war or something.

Also, the anxiety you are giving your kids. Don't think that's so easy to walk back. One day you're going to turn to them and say...now it's over! Take your masks off kids! Everything is great.

It won't be that easy. My spouse is very covid conservative and has done a number on my child and it sucks. She is going to need therapy to be able to function in any way like normal moving forward.

Seems like you should be talking to your wife instead of arguing with me! Your judgy and disgruntled feelings about how your wife needs therapy sound like a totally healthy environment to be raising your kids in.

My kids are tweens and older so it's not that hard to have reasonable conversations with them that talk about risks, benefits, and penalties. Don't use your own family situation as some sort of springboard for what all covid careful households are like.

You keep finding fault with our carefulness, but you're completely ignoring the potential tolls that the additional risks you are taking could add up to. Because you can't see these risks right now you act as if they don't exist, but that's not the way risk really works. We will all be dealing with the consequences of the risk decisions we made now 5 or 10 years down the line. I don't think I will be any less close with my family as a result or that my kids will be stunted. We shall see. I hope your own risk calculations down the road leave you in the clear as well.

No my child is going to need therapy I am a woman and my spouse is a husband. My daughter is sincerely struggling to adapt back to any kind of regular life. She is afraid to take her mask off anywhere outside our home.

I see the risks of covid. We all get it.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can just completely ignore the mounting evidence that covid infections themselves, even when they don't kill you outright, even mild infections, can actually wreak havoc on your immune system, brain, internal organs, and who knows what else is just sticking their head in the sand and singing a happy tune to themselves.

It's everyone for themselves, and for some people that means unstrap all the safety equipment, point the car at the rock, and floor the gas.

The government is allowing you to do that, so feel free. Just don't be all "I wish I had ..." or "Nobody told me ..." if you win one of the sad prizes in the covid lottery.

Here's what I don't understand though. Sure, people might be one of the unlucky ones and get long covid and long-term problems. I agree.

But avoiding covid at all costs has a known 100 percent negative outcome. Avoiding unmasked indoor gatherings and having your children mask for the rest of their childhoods have known 100 percent negative costs to mental health, quality of life, and normal childhood development.

And if your response is oh we do gather indoors, then what are you going on about anyway? Or oh they won't have to mask forever, they just need to keep masking for now. Covid is here to stay so if your plan is make sure you never get it, your kids will need to mask for years to come.

I mean, imagine giving that speech to the people of London in Summer 1854 before physician John Snow told the city to shut down that one pump that was infecting everyone, because what's the sense of taking any precautions when cholera can't be stopped and will always be with us?

Scientists are working on vaccines that don't just stop deaths but also stop infections. They are working on better medicines to use when people get infected and on medicines for long covid symptoms. Just because I take a position on safety now doesn't mean I have to replicate that position for the rest of my life. But I can easily judge the risk of covid -- and all the attached unknowns -- as too great for my family right now and act appropriately. You guys seem to think you understand all the risks and they're no more than the flu, which is a ridiculous position really -- instead of truly understanding the risks you're just denying their existence. That's how my daughter used to behave when she didn't want to go to bed.

I don't know what you're talking about, 100% known negative outcome. We are living just fine. My kids are in school with masks. I'm at work several days a week in a mask and with a HEPA filter I brought from home. We get take out, and now that the weather's nicer we will go to restaurants and eat outside, like we did last year. I'll visit with family over the summer (not sure if we'll eat indoors then or not). This isn't quite normal life but we're not so deprived that it feels like some terrible war or something.

Also, the anxiety you are giving your kids. Don't think that's so easy to walk back. One day you're going to turn to them and say...now it's over! Take your masks off kids! Everything is great.

It won't be that easy. My spouse is very covid conservative and has done a number on my child and it sucks. She is going to need therapy to be able to function in any way like normal moving forward.

Seems like you should be talking to your wife instead of arguing with me! Your judgy and disgruntled feelings about how your wife needs therapy sound like a totally healthy environment to be raising your kids in.

My kids are tweens and older so it's not that hard to have reasonable conversations with them that talk about risks, benefits, and penalties. Don't use your own family situation as some sort of springboard for what all covid careful households are like.

You keep finding fault with our carefulness, but you're completely ignoring the potential tolls that the additional risks you are taking could add up to. Because you can't see these risks right now you act as if they don't exist, but that's not the way risk really works. We will all be dealing with the consequences of the risk decisions we made now 5 or 10 years down the line. I don't think I will be any less close with my family as a result or that my kids will be stunted. We shall see. I hope your own risk calculations down the road leave you in the clear as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can just completely ignore the mounting evidence that covid infections themselves, even when they don't kill you outright, even mild infections, can actually wreak havoc on your immune system, brain, internal organs, and who knows what else is just sticking their head in the sand and singing a happy tune to themselves.

It's everyone for themselves, and for some people that means unstrap all the safety equipment, point the car at the rock, and floor the gas.

The government is allowing you to do that, so feel free. Just don't be all "I wish I had ..." or "Nobody told me ..." if you win one of the sad prizes in the covid lottery.

Here's what I don't understand though. Sure, people might be one of the unlucky ones and get long covid and long-term problems. I agree.

But avoiding covid at all costs has a known 100 percent negative outcome. Avoiding unmasked indoor gatherings and having your children mask for the rest of their childhoods have known 100 percent negative costs to mental health, quality of life, and normal childhood development.

And if your response is oh we do gather indoors, then what are you going on about anyway? Or oh they won't have to mask forever, they just need to keep masking for now. Covid is here to stay so if your plan is make sure you never get it, your kids will need to mask for years to come.

I mean, imagine giving that speech to the people of London in Summer 1854 before physician John Snow told the city to shut down that one pump that was infecting everyone, because what's the sense of taking any precautions when cholera can't be stopped and will always be with us?

Scientists are working on vaccines that don't just stop deaths but also stop infections. They are working on better medicines to use when people get infected and on medicines for long covid symptoms. Just because I take a position on safety now doesn't mean I have to replicate that position for the rest of my life. But I can easily judge the risk of covid -- and all the attached unknowns -- as too great for my family right now and act appropriately. You guys seem to think you understand all the risks and they're no more than the flu, which is a ridiculous position really -- instead of truly understanding the risks you're just denying their existence. That's how my daughter used to behave when she didn't want to go to bed.

I don't know what you're talking about, 100% known negative outcome. We are living just fine. My kids are in school with masks. I'm at work several days a week in a mask and with a HEPA filter I brought from home. We get take out, and now that the weather's nicer we will go to restaurants and eat outside, like we did last year. I'll visit with family over the summer (not sure if we'll eat indoors then or not). This isn't quite normal life but we're not so deprived that it feels like some terrible war or something.

Also, the anxiety you are giving your kids. Don't think that's so easy to walk back. One day you're going to turn to them and say...now it's over! Take your masks off kids! Everything is great.

It won't be that easy. My spouse is very covid conservative and has done a number on my child and it sucks. She is going to need therapy to be able to function in any way like normal moving forward.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can just completely ignore the mounting evidence that covid infections themselves, even when they don't kill you outright, even mild infections, can actually wreak havoc on your immune system, brain, internal organs, and who knows what else is just sticking their head in the sand and singing a happy tune to themselves.

It's everyone for themselves, and for some people that means unstrap all the safety equipment, point the car at the rock, and floor the gas.

The government is allowing you to do that, so feel free. Just don't be all "I wish I had ..." or "Nobody told me ..." if you win one of the sad prizes in the covid lottery.

Here's what I don't understand though. Sure, people might be one of the unlucky ones and get long covid and long-term problems. I agree.

But avoiding covid at all costs has a known 100 percent negative outcome. Avoiding unmasked indoor gatherings and having your children mask for the rest of their childhoods have known 100 percent negative costs to mental health, quality of life, and normal childhood development.

And if your response is oh we do gather indoors, then what are you going on about anyway? Or oh they won't have to mask forever, they just need to keep masking for now. Covid is here to stay so if your plan is make sure you never get it, your kids will need to mask for years to come.

I mean, imagine giving that speech to the people of London in Summer 1854 before physician John Snow told the city to shut down that one pump that was infecting everyone, because what's the sense of taking any precautions when cholera can't be stopped and will always be with us?

Scientists are working on vaccines that don't just stop deaths but also stop infections. They are working on better medicines to use when people get infected and on medicines for long covid symptoms. Just because I take a position on safety now doesn't mean I have to replicate that position for the rest of my life. But I can easily judge the risk of covid -- and all the attached unknowns -- as too great for my family right now and act appropriately. You guys seem to think you understand all the risks and they're no more than the flu, which is a ridiculous position really -- instead of truly understanding the risks you're just denying their existence. That's how my daughter used to behave when she didn't want to go to bed.

I don't know what you're talking about, 100% known negative outcome. We are living just fine. My kids are in school with masks. I'm at work several days a week in a mask and with a HEPA filter I brought from home. We get take out, and now that the weather's nicer we will go to restaurants and eat outside, like we did last year. I'll visit with family over the summer (not sure if we'll eat indoors then or not). This isn't quite normal life but we're not so deprived that it feels like some terrible war or something.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can just completely ignore the mounting evidence that covid infections themselves, even when they don't kill you outright, even mild infections, can actually wreak havoc on your immune system, brain, internal organs, and who knows what else is just sticking their head in the sand and singing a happy tune to themselves.

It's everyone for themselves, and for some people that means unstrap all the safety equipment, point the car at the rock, and floor the gas.

The government is allowing you to do that, so feel free. Just don't be all "I wish I had ..." or "Nobody told me ..." if you win one of the sad prizes in the covid lottery.

Here's what I don't understand though. Sure, people might be one of the unlucky ones and get long covid and long-term problems. I agree.

But avoiding covid at all costs has a known 100 percent negative outcome. Avoiding unmasked indoor gatherings and having your children mask for the rest of their childhoods have known 100 percent negative costs to mental health, quality of life, and normal childhood development.

And if your response is oh we do gather indoors, then what are you going on about anyway? Or oh they won't have to mask forever, they just need to keep masking for now. Covid is here to stay so if your plan is make sure you never get it, your kids will need to mask for years to come.

I mean, imagine giving that speech to the people of London in Summer 1854 before physician John Snow told the city to shut down that one pump that was infecting everyone, because what's the sense of taking any precautions when cholera can't be stopped and will always be with us?

Scientists are working on vaccines that don't just stop deaths but also stop infections. They are working on better medicines to use when people get infected and on medicines for long covid symptoms. Just because I take a position on safety now doesn't mean I have to replicate that position for the rest of my life. But I can easily judge the risk of covid -- and all the attached unknowns -- as too great for my family right now and act appropriately. You guys seem to think you understand all the risks and they're no more than the flu, which is a ridiculous position really -- instead of truly understanding the risks you're just denying their existence. That's how my daughter used to behave when she didn't want to go to bed.

I don't know what you're talking about, 100% known negative outcome. We are living just fine. My kids are in school with masks. I'm at work several days a week in a mask and with a HEPA filter I brought from home. We get take out, and now that the weather's nicer we will go to restaurants and eat outside, like we did last year. I'll visit with family over the summer (not sure if we'll eat indoors then or not). This isn't quite normal life but we're not so deprived that it feels like some terrible war or something.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can just completely ignore the mounting evidence that covid infections themselves, even when they don't kill you outright, even mild infections, can actually wreak havoc on your immune system, brain, internal organs, and who knows what else is just sticking their head in the sand and singing a happy tune to themselves.

It's everyone for themselves, and for some people that means unstrap all the safety equipment, point the car at the rock, and floor the gas.

The government is allowing you to do that, so feel free. Just don't be all "I wish I had ..." or "Nobody told me ..." if you win one of the sad prizes in the covid lottery.

Here's what I don't understand though. Sure, people might be one of the unlucky ones and get long covid and long-term problems. I agree.

But avoiding covid at all costs has a known 100 percent negative outcome. Avoiding unmasked indoor gatherings and having your children mask for the rest of their childhoods have known 100 percent negative costs to mental health, quality of life, and normal childhood development.

And if your response is oh we do gather indoors, then what are you going on about anyway? Or oh they won't have to mask forever, they just need to keep masking for now. Covid is here to stay so if your plan is make sure you never get it, your kids will need to mask for years to come.

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can just completely ignore the mounting evidence that covid infections themselves, even when they don't kill you outright, even mild infections, can actually wreak havoc on your immune system, brain, internal organs, and who knows what else is just sticking their head in the sand and singing a happy tune to themselves.

It's everyone for themselves, and for some people that means unstrap all the safety equipment, point the car at the rock, and floor the gas.

The government is allowing you to do that, so feel free. Just don't be all "I wish I had ..." or "Nobody told me ..." if you win one of the sad prizes in the covid lottery.

Anonymous wrote:We still vacation and do stuff, but masked indoors. Not a big deal.

Trying to avoid the annoyance of being sick and long term increase of diabetes when an easy precaution of a mask would prevent it. I also wash my hands before touching my face to avoid strep and flu going around. And whatever else going around. We don’t do anything burdensome to avoid illness.

“Diabetes risk rises after COVID, massive study finds“
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00912-y