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I think she deserves leeway on behavior from her early 20s, though impulse control seems to be an ongoing issue that she might be passing on to her kids. I don't take issue with people using their celebrity to push for awareness/solutions to world problems; she seems committed and not merely chasing publicity.

That said, I think she's opened up a can of worms putting a spotlight on parenting for her kids. I did a lot world travel early in my career and, even with the luxuries of a private jet and high-end accommodations, it's exhausting. Now, as the mother of a six year old, I can't imagine doing that to my kid more than 2-3 times a year. Kids need routine, regular sleep patterns, socializing, responsibilities. Even adults who don't have these needs met develop behavior problems (see 1990s Angelina Jolie). I'd certainly fight about it with my child's other parent if he couldn't agree to that.

Anonymous wrote:NP here-she's ready to move on and was looking for something to use to vilify him because she knows that simply wanting to end the relationship makes her look like the skank she is, especially since she was a homewrecker in the first place (not that I absolve Pitt). If I had to guess, Pitt disciplined their children like many "normal" people do because that's how he grew up and she was ok with that until she was no longer ok with him. He was a fool to think she could be anything other than what she is.

Reportedly they've had fights for years over the clash in parenting styles. The children have never been to school. One attended school for a short time before getting kicked out. AJ has recently said she thinks they should go to high school, that they need socialisation. That seems to be true, but I don't know if they'll be able to adjust to school and the expectations there.

NP here-she's ready to move on and was looking for something to use to vilify him because she knows that simply wanting to end the relationship makes her look like the skank she is, especially since she was a homewrecker in the first place (not that I absolve Pitt). If I had to guess, Pitt disciplined their children like many "normal" people do because that's how he grew up and she was ok with that until she was no longer ok with him. He was a fool to think she could be anything other than what she is.

Reports say she rented the home where she and the kids are currently staying several weeks ago, so she was clearly planning an exit strategy.

Mark my words: she will vilify him so she can get custody allowing her to drag her kids abroad or wherever she chooses without him having a say. She's hired a team to help her launch a political career in London...no clue how that works given she is American. Her next partner will be a female Brit.

Her kids will be tabloid fodder as teens and young adults...with serious mental health and addiction issues. Those kids are being raised by nannies, not parents.

Brad probably provided the only structure and stability in their lives. Now they are left with crazy Angelina.

Anonymous wrote:I think that yelling at a teenage son is not crazy or actionable but drunk yelling at anybody, including a kid, is not good. Maybe he should still have partial custody, but it's not crazy to look into the issue.

At the same time, I think kids need rules and structure and to be around other kids, so Angelina doesn't seem like a great parent to me. I read somewhere that Maddox tried an actual school for a while but it wasn't for him. That's not a good sign. Someday he has to go out in the world and live with people. Also, Angelina has been giving him knives since he was, like, eleven. Ugh.


Once she feels distaste for you, I bet you're basically dead to her.

Not 11, She started a knife collection for him when he was a toddler

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Anonymous wrote:Poor Brad. Hopefully he can find a nice normal girl.

He had one of those. Screw him.

Yeah because valid Jennifer anistosakis ( real name ) is so normal

+1

But somehow, people adore her.

JA could drown puppies and people would be all "oh well.. Some puppies need to be drowned". Not s peep hardly over JT and his pregnant girlfriend.

AJ does actual, real humanitarian work and she gets slammed. She's a home wrecker, etc.

It's so odd to me.

It doesn't seem sincere. She self-mutiliates, does heroin, makes out with her brother, carries around vials of blood, steals a husband, and then suddenly does real, humanitarian work. If she is sincere, more power to her. But if she has a "campaign" with "The Lady" (who is on her payroll) so she can get a title (like Lady AJ) than it's NOT sincere and is just power-hungry.

NO ONE adores JA so much that she could drown puppies. JA is so predictable, stable, normal that she would NOT drown puppies. (AJ, on the other hand, totally could and would shock and surprise no one.)

She was doing humanitarian work before she adopted her oldest son. That's how she decided to adopt him.

No one "steals" a husband. People do what they want. If you husband cheats on you, that's on him.

NP here. I'm going to weigh in, even thought I don't normally get in to celebrity gossip.

The thing about Angelina is Brad wasn't the first guy she started dating under dubious circumstances and then made a huge production of it. Billy Bob was with Laura Dern when he hooked up with Angelina. That's one thing, but even then, she made a huge scene about all of the sex they were having. I remember reading an interview early on where she described their intimate relationship. It seems like that was kind of obnoxious to parade her relationship around when he left someone else. She didn't have to go into detail about her sexual relationship with him, but she did that willingly.

So then she did the same thing when she hooked up with Brad Pitt, again even though he was with someone when they started dating. She could have been tactful, but she made their relationship very public and willingly did those weird photo shoots and so on.

So it seems that it's a pattern.

I don't fault a person for falling in love with someone who is taken. But I do fault them for handling it in a nasty and ostentatious way.

As I said, I normally don't get into celebrity gossip, but I felt outraged when the media and everyone else sort of implied it was okay that Brad probably cheated and left Jennifer Aniston because she likely didn't want to have children. That feeds that horrible trope that a woman's worth is in her fertility and her willingness to produce children. It's like it's okay for a man to cheat and then he and his mistress make their romantic life very public if the original wife didn't have kids.

I also think that AJ plays to media attention. In her younger days, she did so by being outrageous -- doing and saying outrageous things. Then when she got bored with that image, she shifted to cultivating her image as a humanitarian. It's great that she does charity work. I, however, have never understood the whole celebrity ambassador thing. I also think there are lots of celebrities and public figures who quietly donate and contribute a lot to charities.

I think that yelling at a teenage son is not crazy or actionable but drunk yelling at anybody, including a kid, is not good. Maybe he should still have partial custody, but it's not crazy to look into the issue.

At the same time, I think kids need rules and structure and to be around other kids, so Angelina doesn't seem like a great parent to me. I read somewhere that Maddox tried an actual school for a while but it wasn't for him. That's not a good sign. Someday he has to go out in the world and live with people. Also, Angelina has been giving him knives since he was, like, eleven. Ugh.


Once she feels distaste for you, I bet you're basically dead to her.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the rags are saying that there's video of the argument showing Brad yelling at his son but no physical contact.

Who the hell hasn't yelled at a teenage son before?!!?!!!

My boys aren't teenagers, but I had a wild brother who took a lot to break through.

My sister has three boys 16-23. They all went through a year were there were a major, PIA obstinate teen. They come out of it, but most normal male teens will test anyone.

I saw my neighbor and his 17-year old son get in a screaming match on the sidewalk outside of our house. Very intense. Son storming off. This is a good kid and a good parent. He's now in his 2nd year at UVA playing a sport.

I didn't bat an eye. I remember my brother and my dad.

This is what makes a GOOD parent a lot of the time.

Angelina has zero boundaries. Thinks drug experimentation, etc are fine. She was not raised in a normal household.

+1

There are many teens in this country who could use a caring, firm parent that lays down some discipline.

+2. And I hope the court rules for shared custody that requires the kids live in one place during the school year so they can make friends, enjoy kid activities, and establish a more stable lifestyle with some predictability. Great that you want to take babies and toddlers everywhere you go around the world but school-aged children need to socialize with people who are not paid staff.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the rags are saying that there's video of the argument showing Brad yelling at his son but no physical contact.

Who the hell hasn't yelled at a teenage son before?!!?!!!

My boys aren't teenagers, but I had a wild brother who took a lot to break through.

My sister has three boys 16-23. They all went through a year were there were a major, PIA obstinate teen. They come out of it, but most normal male teens will test anyone.

I saw my neighbor and his 17-year old son get in a screaming match on the sidewalk outside of our house. Very intense. Son storming off. This is a good kid and a good parent. He's now in his 2nd year at UVA playing a sport.

I didn't bat an eye. I remember my brother and my dad.

This is what makes a GOOD parent a lot of the time.

Angelina has zero boundaries. Thinks drug experimentation, etc are fine. She was not raised in a normal household.

+1

There are many teens in this country who could use a caring, firm parent that lays down some discipline.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to think Aniston was normal and nice... but then I found out she's best friends with that obnoxious trash Chelsea Handler and vacations with Howard Stern. She's a typical trashy vapid actress.

They sound like a fun group.

I'd live to hang out with that group. They are inielligent and funny as hell!

Tact is for people that are not witty enough to be sarcastic, btw.

Ha! The two are not mutually exclusive, you dummy.

That was a quote from Karen on Will&Grace. It makes me laugh.

Anonymous wrote:Well, the rags are saying that there's video of the argument showing Brad yelling at his son but no physical contact.

Who the hell hasn't yelled at a teenage son before?!!?!!!

My boys aren't teenagers, but I had a wild brother who took a lot to break through.

My sister has three boys 16-23. They all went through a year were there were a major, PIA obstinate teen. They come out of it, but most normal male teens will test anyone.

I saw my neighbor and his 17-year old son get in a screaming match on the sidewalk outside of our house. Very intense. Son storming off. This is a good kid and a good parent. He's now in his 2nd year at UVA playing a sport.

I didn't bat an eye. I remember my brother and my dad.

This is what makes a GOOD parent a lot of the time.

Angelina has zero boundaries. Thinks drug experimentation, etc are fine. She was not raised in a normal household.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to think Aniston was normal and nice... but then I found out she's best friends with that obnoxious trash Chelsea Handler and vacations with Howard Stern. She's a typical trashy vapid actress.

They sound like a fun group.

I'd live to hang out with that group. They are inielligent and funny as hell!

Tact is for people that are not witty enough to be sarcastic, btw.

Ha! The two are not mutually exclusive, you dummy.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to think Aniston was normal and nice... but then I found out she's best friends with that obnoxious trash Chelsea Handler and vacations with Howard Stern. She's a typical trashy vapid actress.

They sound like a fun group.

I'd live to hang out with that group. They are inielligent and funny as hell!

Tact is for people that are not witty enough to be sarcastic, btw.

Anonymous wrote:I used to think Aniston was normal and nice... but then I found out she's best friends with that obnoxious trash Chelsea Handler and vacations with Howard Stern. She's a typical trashy vapid actress.

They sound like a fun group.

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Anonymous wrote:For all those saying they've yelled at their kids before, and that we should therefore give him the benefit of the doubt, don't you think this probably goes beyond yelling at him to get out of the way or stay out of it? She decided to leave him over this incident. I'm thinking he said something unforgivably mean to Maddox and both sides (including Pitt's legal team) admit that he got physical. So he pushed him at the very least but I suspect hit him as well.

So yeah, if my husband hit my teenage son in the face, he'd be out of there. One strike and you're out. You don't teach your children to put up with physical abuse.

No, I think she was looking to leave him and wanted dirt on him. The affair angle didn't play out so now she's going with abuse.

If he actually were abusive, and if she were a normal mother, she would divorce him quietly, depend upon the court to handle custody and visitation. Instead, she's setting up to handle the divorce publicly, to spin Pitt as a bad guy.

You must be a really slow person . Do you realize we're talking about Angelina Jolie here? Do you think there's such a thing as divorce him quietly when your name Angelina Jolie ? By the way what's your definition of 'normal mother' while you're at it . An incident happened and she took immediate actions , something that many of you DCUMers aren't able to do , at least based on the 'relationships forum'

Yea, most people are not super wealthy so they don't have the same options.