Anonymous
Post 04/18/2013 15:20     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
you know this is funny. If they made a copy of the exam available to everyone, only a certain percentage of the parents would take advantage of it and actually sit down with their kid and practice. Of course the people who need it most will be the ones who never got the word, or didn't have the time to study it. The results probably wouldn't be that much different from the way things are now.


Are we back full circle to discipline, hard work and prep at the end of the day?


Anonymous
Post 04/18/2013 15:17     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Why? Are not AAP, HGC, magnets, Ivy, Big 3 prizes in the DCUM community?

I congratulated my kids on their academic exploits. I guess it's not quite like the ribbons and tin trophies for lacrosse?
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2013 15:13     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A myth dug up to discourage children from test preparation in order for other children to sneak in and capture the prize.


Wow, comes across as a bit paranoid, no?



+1

Also, use of the word "prize" is very interesting. Gives one insight into the poster's thought process.

Anonymous
Post 04/18/2013 15:11     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Anonymous wrote:Why not give all students samples of the frigging test (6 months in advance) and let them hang by their own petard.

At MIT, many students still did poorly on the exam despite 10 years of old sample exams!!


you know this is funny. If they made a copy of the exam available to everyone, only a certain percentage of the parents would take advantage of it and actually sit down with their kid and practice. Of course the people who need it most will be the ones who never got the word, or didn't have the time to study it. The results probably wouldn't be that much different from the way things are now.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2013 15:10     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Why not give all students samples of the frigging test (6 months in advance) and let them hang by their own petard.

At MIT, many students still did poorly on the exam despite 10 years of old sample exams!!


+1

The results would be exactly the same
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2013 15:08     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
The demographic results in FCPS would still be the same. Sorry to disappoint.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2013 15:07     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

Anonymous wrote:A myth dug up to discourage children from test preparation in order for other children to sneak in and capture the prize.


Wow, comes across as a bit paranoid, no?

Anonymous
Post 04/18/2013 15:07     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Why not give all students samples of the frigging test (6 months in advance) and let them hang by their own petard.

At MIT, many students still did poorly on the exam despite 10 years of old sample exams!!
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2013 15:04     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Anonymous wrote:The operative word or adjective is "inappropriate"


let me try that again.
By whose definition?
That word could cover a ot of territory.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2013 15:03     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
A myth dug up to discourage children from test preparation in order for other children to sneak in and capture the prize.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2013 15:03     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Anonymous wrote:The operative word or adjective is "inappropriate"[/quote]

by whose definition? That word cover cover a lot of territory
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2013 15:00     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
The operative word or adjective is "inappropriate"
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2013 14:59     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Are people actually saying that otaining the exact form/copy of the test, having a 7 yo memorize the answers, then take the test is ethical? If so, I hope you enjoy your career befoe you get busted for fraud.


This statement has nothing to do with hardwork and prepping for tests, exams and studies. Nothing at all. You are the only one talking about smuggling tests and exams and forcing students to memorize the answers. This is not what is meant by hard work and study or test preparation and prepping.



But this thread originated from FCPS stating they have caught children with the exact form (meaning copy) of the CogAT. That is not prep, that is cheating. Reading, solving puzzles, writing, studying are all good exersizes. Just like batting practice is needed for Bryce Harper. Trying to infer the game plan is ok in sports. Stealing the game plan is not.


It did not. I'm starting to think this is all an urban myth. Ceratinly no one has made the case FCPS considers prepping to be unethical or scamming.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2013 14:58     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Anonymous wrote:
In the cases being discussed in this thread,

"test prep" = use of inappropriate study materials which caused FCPS to change the test.

No one has a problem with normal hard work and study. People do have a problem with people using
materials
they've been asked not to use.

It's not truly success if obtained by inappropriate means.


Poster is clearly not a policy wonk or lawyer. She speaks in vague references.


Actually, this poster sounds exactly like a policy wonk or lawyer!
Very careful use of terminology.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2013 14:55     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
It's been quoted on this thread over and over again. Check back through the thread and you will see the quote that specifies why the county changed the test this year.