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Anonymous wrote:Of course everyone agrees that the true offenders were the family, for being unpopular and complaining, and the boy, who should have kept his mouth shut. Amirite?! Boys will be boys and we all have to protect our investment in the GDS brand.

/s

The family should be provided with the report, redacted if need be.

They will get it in litigation in any event.

Preserving the privilege so that the parents can’t get the report in litigation is precisely why the school isn’t providing it in the first place.

What privilege? There's no consultant privilege, they didn't hire a law firm.

Well it could be that the school has a law firm and the law firm hired the T&M Group. Isnt that the simple way people navigate privilege? The report is work product paid by the lawyers....who in turn just pass through a cost to the ultimate client, GDS

That's why law firms are usually hired. But the school publicly said that they hired T&M.

Maybe the family made a threat of litigation and the report was always intended to be anti-accuser? But they can't have it both ways. It can't be both a neutral investigation of an alleged incident and a defensive report in anticipation of litigation.

Tell me you don’t understand how internal investigations work in the real world without telling me you don’t j sweat and how internal investigations work in the real world.

Lol, I know how internal HR style investigations work in the real world. That's why I'm skeptical that an impartial investigation happened and think the report should be released. I don't think GDS took the allegations seriously. I think they went straight to CYA mode.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m glad the parents took the step of sending a letter to the community because maybe it will lead to some new information. And I understand they feel let down by the school and law-enforcement. Their number one concern is their child as it would be for any of us. Yet, amidst the sadness I have for what happened to this boy, and my anger at the perpetrators, and my frustration that no suspects were identified, I’m also left with a sense of dismay by the people in this thread that think that somehow the school has some great culpability and malfeasance. With a lack of justice, people think that somebody has to go down for this and that somehow it should be GDS and the HOS, and I think that’s just wrong. The school was told not to interfere with a law enforcement investigation. And the protection of privacy laws cannot just be waived. It’s a terrible situation, but that’s reality, folks.

Utter bollocks.

At the end of the day, we simply don't know what happened. We know what was alleged to have happened. You can believe the victim and also acknowledge that the story has a lot of holes in it. What I find interesting here is that a few families in the grades in question have chimed in here to say that they are comfortable with the process and outcome.

I don't think that we have the complete story and I don't think we should have the complete story. We have the general outline, which is disturbing enough, without the details. We don't know what holes exist or don't exist.

I believe that something happened to the victim. I believe that the victim doesn't know who attacked him. I believe that there is no evidence to what happened, which makes it hard for the Police to charge anyone or figure out what happened.

I don't think there is much that the school could do. I don't believe for a second that the school sending out an email 6 months ago would cause anyone with information to come forward or the attackers to confess. I don't think the parents email is generating any leads. If there are people who have information, then they should have come forward without an email from anyone. The attackers were not going to come forward on their own or after the email.

I am not sure what people actually think would happen here.

The only way to have a case in situation like these is to report it immediately and allow for evidence to be collected at the time. Waiting is never useful because the evidence is going to quickly disappear. The victim was 11. We don't know why they didn't report earlier, although we can come up with a ton of reasons. The long delay made any investigation challenging.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course everyone agrees that the true offenders were the family, for being unpopular and complaining, and the boy, who should have kept his mouth shut. Amirite?! Boys will be boys and we all have to protect our investment in the GDS brand.

/s

The family should be provided with the report, redacted if need be.

They will get it in litigation in any event.

Preserving the privilege so that the parents can’t get the report in litigation is precisely why the school isn’t providing it in the first place.

What privilege? There's no consultant privilege, they didn't hire a law firm.

Well it could be that the school has a law firm and the law firm hired the T&M Group. Isnt that the simple way people navigate privilege? The report is work product paid by the lawyers....who in turn just pass through a cost to the ultimate client, GDS

That's why law firms are usually hired. But the school publicly said that they hired T&M.

Maybe the family made a threat of litigation and the report was always intended to be anti-accuser? But they can't have it both ways. It can't be both a neutral investigation of an alleged incident and a defensive report in anticipation of litigation.

Tell me you don’t understand how internal investigations work in the real world without telling me you don’t j sweat and how internal investigations work in the real world.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m glad the parents took the step of sending a letter to the community because maybe it will lead to some new information. And I understand they feel let down by the school and law-enforcement. Their number one concern is their child as it would be for any of us. Yet, amidst the sadness I have for what happened to this boy, and my anger at the perpetrators, and my frustration that no suspects were identified, I’m also left with a sense of dismay by the people in this thread that think that somehow the school has some great culpability and malfeasance. With a lack of justice, people think that somebody has to go down for this and that somehow it should be GDS and the HOS, and I think that’s just wrong. The school was told not to interfere with a law enforcement investigation. And the protection of privacy laws cannot just be waived. It’s a terrible situation, but that’s reality, folks.

Utter bollocks.

At the end of the day, we simply don't know what happened. We know what was alleged to have happened. You can believe the victim and also acknowledge that the story has a lot of holes in it. What I find interesting here is that a few families in the grades in question have chimed in here to say that they are comfortable with the process and outcome.

No, none of the families are comfortable with any of this.

This. The majority of GDS parents I've spoken to are unhappy about the way the school handled this, or comfortable that all protective steps have been taken. Also, despite what PP said, the family was quite popular

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Anonymous wrote:I’m glad the parents took the step of sending a letter to the community because maybe it will lead to some new information. And I understand they feel let down by the school and law-enforcement. Their number one concern is their child as it would be for any of us. Yet, amidst the sadness I have for what happened to this boy, and my anger at the perpetrators, and my frustration that no suspects were identified, I’m also left with a sense of dismay by the people in this thread that think that somehow the school has some great culpability and malfeasance. With a lack of justice, people think that somebody has to go down for this and that somehow it should be GDS and the HOS, and I think that’s just wrong. The school was told not to interfere with a law enforcement investigation. And the protection of privacy laws cannot just be waived. It’s a terrible situation, but that’s reality, folks.

Utter bollocks.

At the end of the day, we simply don't know what happened. We know what was alleged to have happened. You can believe the victim and also acknowledge that the story has a lot of holes in it. What I find interesting here is that a few families in the grades in question have chimed in here to say that they are comfortable with the process and outcome.

NP but I don't think that's very interesting at all. Aside from the fact that people have said there's a popularity component to the reaction, I think it's always easier to hope/assume nothing bad happened and no rapists are around your kids than to have to worry that you're dropping $60k/year on a school that prioritizes brand protection over kid protection. Just World fallacy + discomfort with thinking about something that's genuinely upsetting to think about, of course they want to call it done and move on. I mean think about it -- if this actually happened, then the rapists' parents obviously have a vested interest in chiming in on social media to insist that trying to find rapists is just hysteria.

I obviously don't know what happened but I don't think that current GDS families saying "nobody's concerned about this, kid must have been a liar" is any kind of evidence.

They might also be like the “no one liked this family in the first place” comments, which is to say, very obviously planted by someone intent on steering this thread in a particular direction. (Everyone liked the family!)

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Anonymous wrote:I’m glad the parents took the step of sending a letter to the community because maybe it will lead to some new information. And I understand they feel let down by the school and law-enforcement. Their number one concern is their child as it would be for any of us. Yet, amidst the sadness I have for what happened to this boy, and my anger at the perpetrators, and my frustration that no suspects were identified, I’m also left with a sense of dismay by the people in this thread that think that somehow the school has some great culpability and malfeasance. With a lack of justice, people think that somebody has to go down for this and that somehow it should be GDS and the HOS, and I think that’s just wrong. The school was told not to interfere with a law enforcement investigation. And the protection of privacy laws cannot just be waived. It’s a terrible situation, but that’s reality, folks.

Utter bollocks.

At the end of the day, we simply don't know what happened. We know what was alleged to have happened. You can believe the victim and also acknowledge that the story has a lot of holes in it. What I find interesting here is that a few families in the grades in question have chimed in here to say that they are comfortable with the process and outcome.

NP but I don't think that's very interesting at all. Aside from the fact that people have said there's a popularity component to the reaction, I think it's always easier to hope/assume nothing bad happened and no rapists are around your kids than to have to worry that you're dropping $60k/year on a school that prioritizes brand protection over kid protection. Just World fallacy + discomfort with thinking about something that's genuinely upsetting to think about, of course they want to call it done and move on. I mean think about it -- if this actually happened, then the rapists' parents obviously have a vested interest in chiming in on social media to insist that trying to find rapists is just hysteria.

I obviously don't know what happened but I don't think that current GDS families saying "nobody's concerned about this, kid must have been a liar" is any kind of evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course everyone agrees that the true offenders were the family, for being unpopular and complaining, and the boy, who should have kept his mouth shut. Amirite?! Boys will be boys and we all have to protect our investment in the GDS brand.

/s

The family should be provided with the report, redacted if need be.

They will get it in litigation in any event.

Preserving the privilege so that the parents can’t get the report in litigation is precisely why the school isn’t providing it in the first place.

What privilege? There's no consultant privilege, they didn't hire a law firm.

Well it could be that the school has a law firm and the law firm hired the T&M Group. Isnt that the simple way people navigate privilege? The report is work product paid by the lawyers....who in turn just pass through a cost to the ultimate client, GDS

That's why law firms are usually hired. But the school publicly said that they hired T&M.

Maybe the family made a threat of litigation and the report was always intended to be anti-accuser? But they can't have it both ways. It can't be both a neutral investigation of an alleged incident and a defensive report in anticipation of litigation.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m glad the parents took the step of sending a letter to the community because maybe it will lead to some new information. And I understand they feel let down by the school and law-enforcement. Their number one concern is their child as it would be for any of us. Yet, amidst the sadness I have for what happened to this boy, and my anger at the perpetrators, and my frustration that no suspects were identified, I’m also left with a sense of dismay by the people in this thread that think that somehow the school has some great culpability and malfeasance. With a lack of justice, people think that somebody has to go down for this and that somehow it should be GDS and the HOS, and I think that’s just wrong. The school was told not to interfere with a law enforcement investigation. And the protection of privacy laws cannot just be waived. It’s a terrible situation, but that’s reality, folks.

Utter bollocks.

At the end of the day, we simply don't know what happened. We know what was alleged to have happened. You can believe the victim and also acknowledge that the story has a lot of holes in it. What I find interesting here is that a few families in the grades in question have chimed in here to say that they are comfortable with the process and outcome.

No, none of the families are comfortable with any of this.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m glad the parents took the step of sending a letter to the community because maybe it will lead to some new information. And I understand they feel let down by the school and law-enforcement. Their number one concern is their child as it would be for any of us. Yet, amidst the sadness I have for what happened to this boy, and my anger at the perpetrators, and my frustration that no suspects were identified, I’m also left with a sense of dismay by the people in this thread that think that somehow the school has some great culpability and malfeasance. With a lack of justice, people think that somebody has to go down for this and that somehow it should be GDS and the HOS, and I think that’s just wrong. The school was told not to interfere with a law enforcement investigation. And the protection of privacy laws cannot just be waived. It’s a terrible situation, but that’s reality, folks.

Utter bollocks.

At the end of the day, we simply don't know what happened. We know what was alleged to have happened. You can believe the victim and also acknowledge that the story has a lot of holes in it. What I find interesting here is that a few families in the grades in question have chimed in here to say that they are comfortable with the process and outcome.

Anonymous wrote:I’m glad the parents took the step of sending a letter to the community because maybe it will lead to some new information. And I understand they feel let down by the school and law-enforcement. Their number one concern is their child as it would be for any of us. Yet, amidst the sadness I have for what happened to this boy, and my anger at the perpetrators, and my frustration that no suspects were identified, I’m also left with a sense of dismay by the people in this thread that think that somehow the school has some great culpability and malfeasance. With a lack of justice, people think that somebody has to go down for this and that somehow it should be GDS and the HOS, and I think that’s just wrong. The school was told not to interfere with a law enforcement investigation. And the protection of privacy laws cannot just be waived. It’s a terrible situation, but that’s reality, folks.

Utter bollocks.

I’m glad the parents took the step of sending a letter to the community because maybe it will lead to some new information. And I understand they feel let down by the school and law-enforcement. Their number one concern is their child as it would be for any of us. Yet, amidst the sadness I have for what happened to this boy, and my anger at the perpetrators, and my frustration that no suspects were identified, I’m also left with a sense of dismay by the people in this thread that think that somehow the school has some great culpability and malfeasance. With a lack of justice, people think that somebody has to go down for this and that somehow it should be GDS and the HOS, and I think that’s just wrong. The school was told not to interfere with a law enforcement investigation. And the protection of privacy laws cannot just be waived. It’s a terrible situation, but that’s reality, folks.

School should have said something after the investigation ended. Even if they thought the allegations were BS just say, “Hey something was alleged and investigated. If you know something say something.” I thought we were a tight community but that trust was just violated for me and I hope this doesn’t deter victims from reporting incidents.

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Anonymous wrote:It is a mistake to think the “independent investigation” was focused on solving the crime. The goal was actually just strategy for the school to deal with the allegations.

which is … the right thing for the school to do? The school is not actually a law enforcement agency. So the investigation is to help it figure out what to do. If the school refused to cooperate with MPD that would be a different story.

The school never encourage cooperation with LE, in fact the tone of comms after a year had passed seemed to discourage it. T&M seems like a process excuse to run the clock while the victim’s family believed the word “investigation.”

Is the Augur Bit going to write more here? Any other outlet other than the augur bit willing to cover this? Too bad we no longer have a local paper who has....you know....journalists who cover local stories.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anything going to happen here or will the school just move on and pretend nothing has occured?

I would hope parents and students would not simply allow that to happen. It’s a bad safety culture and the a very bad look.

The school literally took every step that it could take for safety culture.

How do you know? At what date? Reactive to a child in their care being seually assaulted or proactively? Your message is predicated on an apex node of a lie.