The littles parent know it alls posts about how things work on olders teams is mind numbing to read. Its so obvious that they dont understand how things change when kids get older.

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Anonymous wrote:Some weirdo is abusing the anonymity to answer their own questions no doubt. And then accuse others of “astroturfing”…we see you

Whats interesting is the militant SY poster is a boys ECNL parent. Or maybe a boys ECNL coach. You dont run into these types very often. Boys teams are more fluid than girls teams. This is why MLSN works so well. It just recruits talent from all the different leagues around them. Because of this you dont usually see boys parents emotionally tied to a specific club or league. Add in that puberty can completely change what boys are like on the field.

Since we know your kid is a boy playing in boys ECNL. What do you think you'll gain with SY? MLSN already has biobanding and for what its worth most top players are playing up 1-2 years. These are the ones that will play professionally or get college scholarship offers first. Your kid playing down because of ECNL switching from BY to SY wont become a superstar.

If the top players are already playing 1-2 years up then why is there a forum of parents concerned over an age change to SY why would anyone care? If your kid is ECNL or MLSN changing really wouldn’t matter because their kids are elite?

The answer to the question is it definitely matters because even amongst ECNL or MLSN the majority of player are not at the level to play up and be as effective. Especially when all players are talented and the skill difference is usually very small.

So now you change the age groups and introduce 6 months of older, bigger, stronger players on average which makes it even more challenging to get on the field.

Which is why some parents are hoping GA/MLSN stay BY because they don’t want their kids playing against even older players because that makes games more difficult and competitive in a soccer landscape that’s already ultra competitive.

Um….because the vast majority of parents are on the outside looking in, and think that the SY for rec + ECNL change will benefit their kid in such to such a drastic degree that they’ll then be on the inside.

What about the kids that are at the top level, that are Q4 kids? They exist and will have a distinct advantage IF they decide to play in the new age groupings.

You mean the kids already on the inside?

I don’t know a single parent or kid from top teams that 1) cares about the age change 2) wants the disruption it will cause to their kid, team and development.

Any benefit that accrues will be to the u-littles. The kids (parents) on the outside won’t get the result they think they’ll get. Know why? Because the 18-20 seats are already filled age group after age group. The only change is where you draw the line between which age group they’re in.

Of course there will be some kids that bounce off (there always is) because they’re on the bubble. Spoiler alert…bubble kids are in all birth months, as will be the kids that replace them.

If the parents don't care about the change then they wouldn't care about the disruption either.

I think the confusion here is a definitional one with the term “disruption.”

Your perspective seems to be of one that believes disruption will provide significant opportunity for people not on top teams to be placed on them. Outside, looking in.

Most kids and families on top teams already know they’ll still be there. For them to disruption is knowing that some of their teammates, carpools, coach assignments, etc. are going to change. Not their position on a top team, for most kids on top teams their position is secure.

For most of the kids, it’s about knowing that maybe their best friend who’s a Q1 when they’re a Q3 might be playing on a different team, after those two kids have played together for five years. Insiders, looking inside.

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Anonymous wrote:Some weirdo is abusing the anonymity to answer their own questions no doubt. And then accuse others of “astroturfing”…we see you

Whats interesting is the militant SY poster is a boys ECNL parent. Or maybe a boys ECNL coach. You dont run into these types very often. Boys teams are more fluid than girls teams. This is why MLSN works so well. It just recruits talent from all the different leagues around them. Because of this you dont usually see boys parents emotionally tied to a specific club or league. Add in that puberty can completely change what boys are like on the field.

Since we know your kid is a boy playing in boys ECNL. What do you think you'll gain with SY? MLSN already has biobanding and for what its worth most top players are playing up 1-2 years. These are the ones that will play professionally or get college scholarship offers first. Your kid playing down because of ECNL switching from BY to SY wont become a superstar.

If the top players are already playing 1-2 years up then why is there a forum of parents concerned over an age change to SY why would anyone care? If your kid is ECNL or MLSN changing really wouldn’t matter because their kids are elite?

The answer to the question is it definitely matters because even amongst ECNL or MLSN the majority of player are not at the level to play up and be as effective. Especially when all players are talented and the skill difference is usually very small.

So now you change the age groups and introduce 6 months of older, bigger, stronger players on average which makes it even more challenging to get on the field.

Which is why some parents are hoping GA/MLSN stay BY because they don’t want their kids playing against even older players because that makes games more difficult and competitive in a soccer landscape that’s already ultra competitive.

Um….because the vast majority of parents are on the outside looking in, and think that the SY for rec + ECNL change will benefit their kid in such to such a drastic degree that they’ll then be on the inside.

What about the kids that are at the top level, that are Q4 kids? They exist and will have a distinct advantage IF they decide to play in the new age groupings.

You mean the kids already on the inside?

I don’t know a single parent or kid from top teams that 1) cares about the age change 2) wants the disruption it will cause to their kid, team and development.

Any benefit that accrues will be to the u-littles. The kids (parents) on the outside won’t get the result they think they’ll get. Know why? Because the 18-20 seats are already filled age group after age group. The only change is where you draw the line between which age group they’re in.

Of course there will be some kids that bounce off (there always is) because they’re on the bubble. Spoiler alert…bubble kids are in all birth months, as will be the kids that replace them.

If the parents don't care about the change then they wouldn't care about the disruption either.

Not a thinker are yah. 🤯

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Anonymous wrote:Some weirdo is abusing the anonymity to answer their own questions no doubt. And then accuse others of “astroturfing”…we see you

Whats interesting is the militant SY poster is a boys ECNL parent. Or maybe a boys ECNL coach. You dont run into these types very often. Boys teams are more fluid than girls teams. This is why MLSN works so well. It just recruits talent from all the different leagues around them. Because of this you dont usually see boys parents emotionally tied to a specific club or league. Add in that puberty can completely change what boys are like on the field.

Since we know your kid is a boy playing in boys ECNL. What do you think you'll gain with SY? MLSN already has biobanding and for what its worth most top players are playing up 1-2 years. These are the ones that will play professionally or get college scholarship offers first. Your kid playing down because of ECNL switching from BY to SY wont become a superstar.

If the top players are already playing 1-2 years up then why is there a forum of parents concerned over an age change to SY why would anyone care? If your kid is ECNL or MLSN changing really wouldn’t matter because their kids are elite?

The answer to the question is it definitely matters because even amongst ECNL or MLSN the majority of player are not at the level to play up and be as effective. Especially when all players are talented and the skill difference is usually very small.

So now you change the age groups and introduce 6 months of older, bigger, stronger players on average which makes it even more challenging to get on the field.

Which is why some parents are hoping GA/MLSN stay BY because they don’t want their kids playing against even older players because that makes games more difficult and competitive in a soccer landscape that’s already ultra competitive.

Um….because the vast majority of parents are on the outside looking in, and think that the SY for rec + ECNL change will benefit their kid in such to such a drastic degree that they’ll then be on the inside.

What about the kids that are at the top level, that are Q4 kids? They exist and will have a distinct advantage IF they decide to play in the new age groupings.

You mean the kids already on the inside?

I don’t know a single parent or kid from top teams that 1) cares about the age change 2) wants the disruption it will cause to their kid, team and development.

Any benefit that accrues will be to the u-littles. The kids (parents) on the outside won’t get the result they think they’ll get. Know why? Because the 18-20 seats are already filled age group after age group. The only change is where you draw the line between which age group they’re in.

Of course there will be some kids that bounce off (there always is) because they’re on the bubble. Spoiler alert…bubble kids are in all birth months, as will be the kids that replace them.

If the parents don't care about the change then they wouldn't care about the disruption either.

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Anonymous wrote:Some weirdo is abusing the anonymity to answer their own questions no doubt. And then accuse others of “astroturfing”…we see you

Whats interesting is the militant SY poster is a boys ECNL parent. Or maybe a boys ECNL coach. You dont run into these types very often. Boys teams are more fluid than girls teams. This is why MLSN works so well. It just recruits talent from all the different leagues around them. Because of this you dont usually see boys parents emotionally tied to a specific club or league. Add in that puberty can completely change what boys are like on the field.

Since we know your kid is a boy playing in boys ECNL. What do you think you'll gain with SY? MLSN already has biobanding and for what its worth most top players are playing up 1-2 years. These are the ones that will play professionally or get college scholarship offers first. Your kid playing down because of ECNL switching from BY to SY wont become a superstar.

If the top players are already playing 1-2 years up then why is there a forum of parents concerned over an age change to SY why would anyone care? If your kid is ECNL or MLSN changing really wouldn’t matter because their kids are elite?

The answer to the question is it definitely matters because even amongst ECNL or MLSN the majority of player are not at the level to play up and be as effective. Especially when all players are talented and the skill difference is usually very small.

So now you change the age groups and introduce 6 months of older, bigger, stronger players on average which makes it even more challenging to get on the field.

Which is why some parents are hoping GA/MLSN stay BY because they don’t want their kids playing against even older players because that makes games more difficult and competitive in a soccer landscape that’s already ultra competitive.

Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids -- it'll help them get better. If anything, they don't like the uncertainty or disrurption of existing teams, which is reasonable. Strategically, it may even favor GA to delay a couple of seasons to give ECNL top players a possible landing spot if they don't like how things shake out. But long-term it makes sense for all, except the MLS academies to switch, frankly.

"Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids " if this was even remotely true you all would be currently playing up. You are not so your imagined scenario is a lie you tell yourself.

My kid is on a top team and does play up as a guest player and often trains against the older kids. Sometimes my kid would rather train against against those older/bigger kids all the time than the smaller kids on the current team -- which isn't ultimately an issue because we have one of the best coaches at the club. Speaking of which, it's a highly competitive club that's won national titles. Also interesting our Aug-Dec. players would rather stay on the current team vs. playing with the younger kids, so this desire to play against older kids IS a thing, especially at higher levels. That's our reality. What's yours?

You are full of sh*t. If he can already play up in a national title team, he has already signed up with the MLS academy. I am in a national title team with four players going to the MLS academy this coming season. None of them can play up. So when the SY comes, it will be very hard to for Q3/Q4 to stay in the same NL team.

Not PP, but wow! Some of you really show how far off top teams your families are. The dynamics are totally different, and the roster decisions are as well.

Guesting up is a solid reward for a kid that has earned it. But even if they’re better than the bottom 6 on the older team, the roster dynamics are often such that the kid can’t be moved up by the club.

My DC who is rostered up, and guests up 2 years - also on a top ECNL program that makes Richmond annually in various ages and genders - is, per the club, rostered up because the requirement is you be “top 3 minimum” for the age up to be brought up a year permanently. And even when that’s the case, the club takes a ton of heat for brining a kid up 1 year.

Many clubs actually have rubrics to help with this decision - it’s not all politics - and it’s not all skill based. They have seats to fill, and for ECNL they are trying to place kids in college. A rostered up kid, is one less kid placed in college next the final year on that team.

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Anonymous wrote:Some weirdo is abusing the anonymity to answer their own questions no doubt. And then accuse others of “astroturfing”…we see you

Whats interesting is the militant SY poster is a boys ECNL parent. Or maybe a boys ECNL coach. You dont run into these types very often. Boys teams are more fluid than girls teams. This is why MLSN works so well. It just recruits talent from all the different leagues around them. Because of this you dont usually see boys parents emotionally tied to a specific club or league. Add in that puberty can completely change what boys are like on the field.

Since we know your kid is a boy playing in boys ECNL. What do you think you'll gain with SY? MLSN already has biobanding and for what its worth most top players are playing up 1-2 years. These are the ones that will play professionally or get college scholarship offers first. Your kid playing down because of ECNL switching from BY to SY wont become a superstar.

If the top players are already playing 1-2 years up then why is there a forum of parents concerned over an age change to SY why would anyone care? If your kid is ECNL or MLSN changing really wouldn’t matter because their kids are elite?

The answer to the question is it definitely matters because even amongst ECNL or MLSN the majority of player are not at the level to play up and be as effective. Especially when all players are talented and the skill difference is usually very small.

So now you change the age groups and introduce 6 months of older, bigger, stronger players on average which makes it even more challenging to get on the field.

Which is why some parents are hoping GA/MLSN stay BY because they don’t want their kids playing against even older players because that makes games more difficult and competitive in a soccer landscape that’s already ultra competitive.

Um….because the vast majority of parents are on the outside looking in, and think that the SY for rec + ECNL change will benefit their kid in such to such a drastic degree that they’ll then be on the inside.

What about the kids that are at the top level, that are Q4 kids? They exist and will have a distinct advantage IF they decide to play in the new age groupings.

My kid is on a top team with a few Q4 starters. Those kids, their parents and coach think playing in their SY group will hurt their development. They will “play up” if there is a switch to SY.

Congratulations, not only is it rare to have "a few" Q4 players in a top team , but all starters as well. Your kid is playing in a true unicorn 🦄 .

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Anonymous wrote:Some weirdo is abusing the anonymity to answer their own questions no doubt. And then accuse others of “astroturfing”…we see you

Whats interesting is the militant SY poster is a boys ECNL parent. Or maybe a boys ECNL coach. You dont run into these types very often. Boys teams are more fluid than girls teams. This is why MLSN works so well. It just recruits talent from all the different leagues around them. Because of this you dont usually see boys parents emotionally tied to a specific club or league. Add in that puberty can completely change what boys are like on the field.

Since we know your kid is a boy playing in boys ECNL. What do you think you'll gain with SY? MLSN already has biobanding and for what its worth most top players are playing up 1-2 years. These are the ones that will play professionally or get college scholarship offers first. Your kid playing down because of ECNL switching from BY to SY wont become a superstar.

If the top players are already playing 1-2 years up then why is there a forum of parents concerned over an age change to SY why would anyone care? If your kid is ECNL or MLSN changing really wouldn’t matter because their kids are elite?

The answer to the question is it definitely matters because even amongst ECNL or MLSN the majority of player are not at the level to play up and be as effective. Especially when all players are talented and the skill difference is usually very small.

So now you change the age groups and introduce 6 months of older, bigger, stronger players on average which makes it even more challenging to get on the field.

Which is why some parents are hoping GA/MLSN stay BY because they don’t want their kids playing against even older players because that makes games more difficult and competitive in a soccer landscape that’s already ultra competitive.

Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids -- it'll help them get better. If anything, they don't like the uncertainty or disrurption of existing teams, which is reasonable. Strategically, it may even favor GA to delay a couple of seasons to give ECNL top players a possible landing spot if they don't like how things shake out. But long-term it makes sense for all, except the MLS academies to switch, frankly.

"Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids " if this was even remotely true you all would be currently playing up. You are not so your imagined scenario is a lie you tell yourself.

My kid is on a top team and does play up as a guest player and often trains against the older kids. Sometimes my kid would rather train against against those older/bigger kids all the time than the smaller kids on the current team -- which isn't ultimately an issue because we have one of the best coaches at the club. Speaking of which, it's a highly competitive club that's won national titles. Also interesting our Aug-Dec. players would rather stay on the current team vs. playing with the younger kids, so this desire to play against older kids IS a thing, especially at higher levels. That's our reality. What's yours?

You are full of sh*t. If he can already play up in a national title team, he has already signed up with the MLS academy. I am in a national title team with four players going to the MLS academy this coming season. None of them can play up. So when the SY comes, it will be very hard to for Q3/Q4 to stay in the same NL team.

No, you misunderstand. The kid currently matches better with the older age group, especially on size and also competitive on skill BUT our club almost never allows kids to actually play up because of its philosophy on development -- which we think is sound and especially for us fits our kid currently, especially with the opportunities for practice and guest play. The larger point is about the switch to SY and being ready/welcoming that change to play against some of these talented older players on a team. We do have Aug-Dec players who would rather stay on the current team (and who wouldn't?) and they are good BUT the way our club does things, it probably won't happen and those kids/parents will have to decide their next move.

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Anonymous wrote:Some weirdo is abusing the anonymity to answer their own questions no doubt. And then accuse others of “astroturfing”…we see you

Whats interesting is the militant SY poster is a boys ECNL parent. Or maybe a boys ECNL coach. You dont run into these types very often. Boys teams are more fluid than girls teams. This is why MLSN works so well. It just recruits talent from all the different leagues around them. Because of this you dont usually see boys parents emotionally tied to a specific club or league. Add in that puberty can completely change what boys are like on the field.

Since we know your kid is a boy playing in boys ECNL. What do you think you'll gain with SY? MLSN already has biobanding and for what its worth most top players are playing up 1-2 years. These are the ones that will play professionally or get college scholarship offers first. Your kid playing down because of ECNL switching from BY to SY wont become a superstar.

If the top players are already playing 1-2 years up then why is there a forum of parents concerned over an age change to SY why would anyone care? If your kid is ECNL or MLSN changing really wouldn’t matter because their kids are elite?

The answer to the question is it definitely matters because even amongst ECNL or MLSN the majority of player are not at the level to play up and be as effective. Especially when all players are talented and the skill difference is usually very small.

So now you change the age groups and introduce 6 months of older, bigger, stronger players on average which makes it even more challenging to get on the field.

Which is why some parents are hoping GA/MLSN stay BY because they don’t want their kids playing against even older players because that makes games more difficult and competitive in a soccer landscape that’s already ultra competitive.

Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids -- it'll help them get better. If anything, they don't like the uncertainty or disrurption of existing teams, which is reasonable. Strategically, it may even favor GA to delay a couple of seasons to give ECNL top players a possible landing spot if they don't like how things shake out. But long-term it makes sense for all, except the MLS academies to switch, frankly.

"Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids " if this was even remotely true you all would be currently playing up. You are not so your imagined scenario is a lie you tell yourself.

My kid is on a top team and does play up as a guest player and often trains against the older kids. Sometimes my kid would rather train against against those older/bigger kids all the time than the smaller kids on the current team -- which isn't ultimately an issue because we have one of the best coaches at the club. Speaking of which, it's a highly competitive club that's won national titles. Also interesting our Aug-Dec. players would rather stay on the current team vs. playing with the younger kids, so this desire to play against older kids IS a thing, especially at higher levels. That's our reality. What's yours?

Ugh... you wouldn't be "guesting" you would be on that team even if it meant you weren't on the "top" team. You didn't prove the point you think you did.

Lol exactly! If your kid was so great they would have them play up every game. I’m sure your the parent telling your director your kids amazing and they let them guest play once in a while to shut you up and keep you as a paying customer.

I never said my kid was the next Pele ... The development at our club really makes sense and playing with your age actually has its benefits -- often you can get injured or burnout when you play against as a full-time player against in older age groups -- we've seen that, too.. We just see the upcoming change to SY as and opportunity to play against stronger, more experienced players at a well-coached club that's won national titles and sends kids to D1 schools. I will say the kid is good enough not to worry about losing playing time OR a spot from any of these Aug-Dec kids from the club OR others who may try to come in from the outside. Unless you're living it, you may not truly get it.

Coolio

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Anonymous wrote:Some weirdo is abusing the anonymity to answer their own questions no doubt. And then accuse others of “astroturfing”…we see you

Whats interesting is the militant SY poster is a boys ECNL parent. Or maybe a boys ECNL coach. You dont run into these types very often. Boys teams are more fluid than girls teams. This is why MLSN works so well. It just recruits talent from all the different leagues around them. Because of this you dont usually see boys parents emotionally tied to a specific club or league. Add in that puberty can completely change what boys are like on the field.

Since we know your kid is a boy playing in boys ECNL. What do you think you'll gain with SY? MLSN already has biobanding and for what its worth most top players are playing up 1-2 years. These are the ones that will play professionally or get college scholarship offers first. Your kid playing down because of ECNL switching from BY to SY wont become a superstar.

If the top players are already playing 1-2 years up then why is there a forum of parents concerned over an age change to SY why would anyone care? If your kid is ECNL or MLSN changing really wouldn’t matter because their kids are elite?

The answer to the question is it definitely matters because even amongst ECNL or MLSN the majority of player are not at the level to play up and be as effective. Especially when all players are talented and the skill difference is usually very small.

So now you change the age groups and introduce 6 months of older, bigger, stronger players on average which makes it even more challenging to get on the field.

Which is why some parents are hoping GA/MLSN stay BY because they don’t want their kids playing against even older players because that makes games more difficult and competitive in a soccer landscape that’s already ultra competitive.

Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids -- it'll help them get better. If anything, they don't like the uncertainty or disrurption of existing teams, which is reasonable. Strategically, it may even favor GA to delay a couple of seasons to give ECNL top players a possible landing spot if they don't like how things shake out. But long-term it makes sense for all, except the MLS academies to switch, frankly.

"Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids " if this was even remotely true you all would be currently playing up. You are not so your imagined scenario is a lie you tell yourself.

My kid is on a top team and does play up as a guest player and often trains against the older kids. Sometimes my kid would rather train against against those older/bigger kids all the time than the smaller kids on the current team -- which isn't ultimately an issue because we have one of the best coaches at the club. Speaking of which, it's a highly competitive club that's won national titles. Also interesting our Aug-Dec. players would rather stay on the current team vs. playing with the younger kids, so this desire to play against older kids IS a thing, especially at higher levels. That's our reality. What's yours?

Ugh... you wouldn't be "guesting" you would be on that team even if it meant you weren't on the "top" team. You didn't prove the point you think you did.

Lol exactly! If your kid was so great they would have them play up every game. I’m sure your the parent telling your director your kids amazing and they let them guest play once in a while to shut you up and keep you as a paying customer.

I never said my kid was the next Pele ... The development at our club really makes sense and playing with your age actually has its benefits -- often you can get injured or burnout when you play against as a full-time player against in older age groups -- we've seen that, too.. We just see the upcoming change to SY as and opportunity to play against stronger, more experienced players at a well-coached club that's won national titles and sends kids to D1 schools. I will say the kid is good enough not to worry about losing playing time OR a spot from any of these Aug-Dec kids from the club OR others who may try to come in from the outside. Unless you're living it, you may not truly get it.

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Anonymous wrote:Some weirdo is abusing the anonymity to answer their own questions no doubt. And then accuse others of “astroturfing”…we see you

Whats interesting is the militant SY poster is a boys ECNL parent. Or maybe a boys ECNL coach. You dont run into these types very often. Boys teams are more fluid than girls teams. This is why MLSN works so well. It just recruits talent from all the different leagues around them. Because of this you dont usually see boys parents emotionally tied to a specific club or league. Add in that puberty can completely change what boys are like on the field.

Since we know your kid is a boy playing in boys ECNL. What do you think you'll gain with SY? MLSN already has biobanding and for what its worth most top players are playing up 1-2 years. These are the ones that will play professionally or get college scholarship offers first. Your kid playing down because of ECNL switching from BY to SY wont become a superstar.

If the top players are already playing 1-2 years up then why is there a forum of parents concerned over an age change to SY why would anyone care? If your kid is ECNL or MLSN changing really wouldn’t matter because their kids are elite?

The answer to the question is it definitely matters because even amongst ECNL or MLSN the majority of player are not at the level to play up and be as effective. Especially when all players are talented and the skill difference is usually very small.

So now you change the age groups and introduce 6 months of older, bigger, stronger players on average which makes it even more challenging to get on the field.

Which is why some parents are hoping GA/MLSN stay BY because they don’t want their kids playing against even older players because that makes games more difficult and competitive in a soccer landscape that’s already ultra competitive.

Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids -- it'll help them get better. If anything, they don't like the uncertainty or disrurption of existing teams, which is reasonable. Strategically, it may even favor GA to delay a couple of seasons to give ECNL top players a possible landing spot if they don't like how things shake out. But long-term it makes sense for all, except the MLS academies to switch, frankly.

"Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids " if this was even remotely true you all would be currently playing up. You are not so your imagined scenario is a lie you tell yourself.

My kid is on a top team and does play up as a guest player and often trains against the older kids. Sometimes my kid would rather train against against those older/bigger kids all the time than the smaller kids on the current team -- which isn't ultimately an issue because we have one of the best coaches at the club. Speaking of which, it's a highly competitive club that's won national titles. Also interesting our Aug-Dec. players would rather stay on the current team vs. playing with the younger kids, so this desire to play against older kids IS a thing, especially at higher levels. That's our reality. What's yours?

Ugh... you wouldn't be "guesting" you would be on that team even if it meant you weren't on the "top" team. You didn't prove the point you think you did.

Disagree. There are top-tier Q1 players who will benefit from the switch to SY in playing against kids who are older, especially if the club also is top-tier (in fact, they often already practice/play against them). Not all older kids/parents are dreading the shift.

There are definitely top tier current Q1/2 players that will be excited to have a team with bigger, stronger, faster players to help them out. Overall this age change is only a positive thing because it will make games more competitive by combining the top Q1/2 talent with the top Q3/4 talent in the same grade. Any outliers can still play up so again games are more competitive.

As a ECNL girl parent who has a Q3 go through and graduate already the U19 situation was terrible many kids start checking out for various reason your kid and a few others have to find a new team when everyone graduates or join a team of girls who have been together and your kids are treated like and outsider.

SY was always the best option for American youth soccer and I’m glad it’s changing back. Have two kids still playing that will be affected on both sides of this.

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Anonymous wrote:Some weirdo is abusing the anonymity to answer their own questions no doubt. And then accuse others of “astroturfing”…we see you

Whats interesting is the militant SY poster is a boys ECNL parent. Or maybe a boys ECNL coach. You dont run into these types very often. Boys teams are more fluid than girls teams. This is why MLSN works so well. It just recruits talent from all the different leagues around them. Because of this you dont usually see boys parents emotionally tied to a specific club or league. Add in that puberty can completely change what boys are like on the field.

Since we know your kid is a boy playing in boys ECNL. What do you think you'll gain with SY? MLSN already has biobanding and for what its worth most top players are playing up 1-2 years. These are the ones that will play professionally or get college scholarship offers first. Your kid playing down because of ECNL switching from BY to SY wont become a superstar.

If the top players are already playing 1-2 years up then why is there a forum of parents concerned over an age change to SY why would anyone care? If your kid is ECNL or MLSN changing really wouldn’t matter because their kids are elite?

The answer to the question is it definitely matters because even amongst ECNL or MLSN the majority of player are not at the level to play up and be as effective. Especially when all players are talented and the skill difference is usually very small.

So now you change the age groups and introduce 6 months of older, bigger, stronger players on average which makes it even more challenging to get on the field.

Which is why some parents are hoping GA/MLSN stay BY because they don’t want their kids playing against even older players because that makes games more difficult and competitive in a soccer landscape that’s already ultra competitive.

Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids -- it'll help them get better. If anything, they don't like the uncertainty or disrurption of existing teams, which is reasonable. Strategically, it may even favor GA to delay a couple of seasons to give ECNL top players a possible landing spot if they don't like how things shake out. But long-term it makes sense for all, except the MLS academies to switch, frankly.

"Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids " if this was even remotely true you all would be currently playing up. You are not so your imagined scenario is a lie you tell yourself.

My kid is on a top team and does play up as a guest player and often trains against the older kids. Sometimes my kid would rather train against against those older/bigger kids all the time than the smaller kids on the current team -- which isn't ultimately an issue because we have one of the best coaches at the club. Speaking of which, it's a highly competitive club that's won national titles. Also interesting our Aug-Dec. players would rather stay on the current team vs. playing with the younger kids, so this desire to play against older kids IS a thing, especially at higher levels. That's our reality. What's yours?

You are full of sh*t. If he can already play up in a national title team, he has already signed up with the MLS academy. I am in a national title team with four players going to the MLS academy this coming season. None of them can play up. So when the SY comes, it will be very hard to for Q3/Q4 to stay in the same NL team.

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Anonymous wrote:Some weirdo is abusing the anonymity to answer their own questions no doubt. And then accuse others of “astroturfing”…we see you

Whats interesting is the militant SY poster is a boys ECNL parent. Or maybe a boys ECNL coach. You dont run into these types very often. Boys teams are more fluid than girls teams. This is why MLSN works so well. It just recruits talent from all the different leagues around them. Because of this you dont usually see boys parents emotionally tied to a specific club or league. Add in that puberty can completely change what boys are like on the field.

Since we know your kid is a boy playing in boys ECNL. What do you think you'll gain with SY? MLSN already has biobanding and for what its worth most top players are playing up 1-2 years. These are the ones that will play professionally or get college scholarship offers first. Your kid playing down because of ECNL switching from BY to SY wont become a superstar.

If the top players are already playing 1-2 years up then why is there a forum of parents concerned over an age change to SY why would anyone care? If your kid is ECNL or MLSN changing really wouldn’t matter because their kids are elite?

The answer to the question is it definitely matters because even amongst ECNL or MLSN the majority of player are not at the level to play up and be as effective. Especially when all players are talented and the skill difference is usually very small.

So now you change the age groups and introduce 6 months of older, bigger, stronger players on average which makes it even more challenging to get on the field.

Which is why some parents are hoping GA/MLSN stay BY because they don’t want their kids playing against even older players because that makes games more difficult and competitive in a soccer landscape that’s already ultra competitive.

Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids -- it'll help them get better. If anything, they don't like the uncertainty or disrurption of existing teams, which is reasonable. Strategically, it may even favor GA to delay a couple of seasons to give ECNL top players a possible landing spot if they don't like how things shake out. But long-term it makes sense for all, except the MLS academies to switch, frankly.

"Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids " if this was even remotely true you all would be currently playing up. You are not so your imagined scenario is a lie you tell yourself.

My kid is on a top team and does play up as a guest player and often trains against the older kids. Sometimes my kid would rather train against against those older/bigger kids all the time than the smaller kids on the current team -- which isn't ultimately an issue because we have one of the best coaches at the club. Speaking of which, it's a highly competitive club that's won national titles. Also interesting our Aug-Dec. players would rather stay on the current team vs. playing with the younger kids, so this desire to play against older kids IS a thing, especially at higher levels. That's our reality. What's yours?

Ugh... you wouldn't be "guesting" you would be on that team even if it meant you weren't on the "top" team. You didn't prove the point you think you did.

Lol exactly! If your kid was so great they would have them play up every game. I’m sure your the parent telling your director your kids amazing and they let them guest play once in a while to shut you up and keep you as a paying customer.

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Anonymous wrote:Some weirdo is abusing the anonymity to answer their own questions no doubt. And then accuse others of “astroturfing”…we see you

Whats interesting is the militant SY poster is a boys ECNL parent. Or maybe a boys ECNL coach. You dont run into these types very often. Boys teams are more fluid than girls teams. This is why MLSN works so well. It just recruits talent from all the different leagues around them. Because of this you dont usually see boys parents emotionally tied to a specific club or league. Add in that puberty can completely change what boys are like on the field.

Since we know your kid is a boy playing in boys ECNL. What do you think you'll gain with SY? MLSN already has biobanding and for what its worth most top players are playing up 1-2 years. These are the ones that will play professionally or get college scholarship offers first. Your kid playing down because of ECNL switching from BY to SY wont become a superstar.

If the top players are already playing 1-2 years up then why is there a forum of parents concerned over an age change to SY why would anyone care? If your kid is ECNL or MLSN changing really wouldn’t matter because their kids are elite?

The answer to the question is it definitely matters because even amongst ECNL or MLSN the majority of player are not at the level to play up and be as effective. Especially when all players are talented and the skill difference is usually very small.

So now you change the age groups and introduce 6 months of older, bigger, stronger players on average which makes it even more challenging to get on the field.

Which is why some parents are hoping GA/MLSN stay BY because they don’t want their kids playing against even older players because that makes games more difficult and competitive in a soccer landscape that’s already ultra competitive.

Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids -- it'll help them get better. If anything, they don't like the uncertainty or disrurption of existing teams, which is reasonable. Strategically, it may even favor GA to delay a couple of seasons to give ECNL top players a possible landing spot if they don't like how things shake out. But long-term it makes sense for all, except the MLS academies to switch, frankly.

"Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids " if this was even remotely true you all would be currently playing up. You are not so your imagined scenario is a lie you tell yourself.

My kid is on a top team and does play up as a guest player and often trains against the older kids. Sometimes my kid would rather train against against those older/bigger kids all the time than the smaller kids on the current team -- which isn't ultimately an issue because we have one of the best coaches at the club. Speaking of which, it's a highly competitive club that's won national titles. Also interesting our Aug-Dec. players would rather stay on the current team vs. playing with the younger kids, so this desire to play against older kids IS a thing, especially at higher levels. That's our reality. What's yours?

Ugh... you wouldn't be "guesting" you would be on that team even if it meant you weren't on the "top" team. You didn't prove the point you think you did.

Lol exactly! If your kid was so great they would have them play up every game. I’m sure your the parent telling your director your kids amazing and they let them guest play once in a while to shut you up and keep you as a paying customer.

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Anonymous wrote:Some weirdo is abusing the anonymity to answer their own questions no doubt. And then accuse others of “astroturfing”…we see you

Whats interesting is the militant SY poster is a boys ECNL parent. Or maybe a boys ECNL coach. You dont run into these types very often. Boys teams are more fluid than girls teams. This is why MLSN works so well. It just recruits talent from all the different leagues around them. Because of this you dont usually see boys parents emotionally tied to a specific club or league. Add in that puberty can completely change what boys are like on the field.

Since we know your kid is a boy playing in boys ECNL. What do you think you'll gain with SY? MLSN already has biobanding and for what its worth most top players are playing up 1-2 years. These are the ones that will play professionally or get college scholarship offers first. Your kid playing down because of ECNL switching from BY to SY wont become a superstar.

If the top players are already playing 1-2 years up then why is there a forum of parents concerned over an age change to SY why would anyone care? If your kid is ECNL or MLSN changing really wouldn’t matter because their kids are elite?

The answer to the question is it definitely matters because even amongst ECNL or MLSN the majority of player are not at the level to play up and be as effective. Especially when all players are talented and the skill difference is usually very small.

So now you change the age groups and introduce 6 months of older, bigger, stronger players on average which makes it even more challenging to get on the field.

Which is why some parents are hoping GA/MLSN stay BY because they don’t want their kids playing against even older players because that makes games more difficult and competitive in a soccer landscape that’s already ultra competitive.

Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids -- it'll help them get better. If anything, they don't like the uncertainty or disrurption of existing teams, which is reasonable. Strategically, it may even favor GA to delay a couple of seasons to give ECNL top players a possible landing spot if they don't like how things shake out. But long-term it makes sense for all, except the MLS academies to switch, frankly.

"Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids " if this was even remotely true you all would be currently playing up. You are not so your imagined scenario is a lie you tell yourself.

My kid is on a top team and does play up as a guest player and often trains against the older kids. Sometimes my kid would rather train against against those older/bigger kids all the time than the smaller kids on the current team -- which isn't ultimately an issue because we have one of the best coaches at the club. Speaking of which, it's a highly competitive club that's won national titles. Also interesting our Aug-Dec. players would rather stay on the current team vs. playing with the younger kids, so this desire to play against older kids IS a thing, especially at higher levels. That's our reality. What's yours?

Ugh... you wouldn't be "guesting" you would be on that team even if it meant you weren't on the "top" team. You didn't prove the point you think you did.

Disagree. There are top-tier Q1 players who will benefit from the switch to SY in playing against kids who are older, especially if the club also is top-tier (in fact, they often already practice/play against them). Not all older kids/parents are dreading the shift.

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Anonymous wrote:Some weirdo is abusing the anonymity to answer their own questions no doubt. And then accuse others of “astroturfing”…we see you

Whats interesting is the militant SY poster is a boys ECNL parent. Or maybe a boys ECNL coach. You dont run into these types very often. Boys teams are more fluid than girls teams. This is why MLSN works so well. It just recruits talent from all the different leagues around them. Because of this you dont usually see boys parents emotionally tied to a specific club or league. Add in that puberty can completely change what boys are like on the field.

Since we know your kid is a boy playing in boys ECNL. What do you think you'll gain with SY? MLSN already has biobanding and for what its worth most top players are playing up 1-2 years. These are the ones that will play professionally or get college scholarship offers first. Your kid playing down because of ECNL switching from BY to SY wont become a superstar.

If the top players are already playing 1-2 years up then why is there a forum of parents concerned over an age change to SY why would anyone care? If your kid is ECNL or MLSN changing really wouldn’t matter because their kids are elite?

The answer to the question is it definitely matters because even amongst ECNL or MLSN the majority of player are not at the level to play up and be as effective. Especially when all players are talented and the skill difference is usually very small.

So now you change the age groups and introduce 6 months of older, bigger, stronger players on average which makes it even more challenging to get on the field.

Which is why some parents are hoping GA/MLSN stay BY because they don’t want their kids playing against even older players because that makes games more difficult and competitive in a soccer landscape that’s already ultra competitive.

Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids -- it'll help them get better. If anything, they don't like the uncertainty or disrurption of existing teams, which is reasonable. Strategically, it may even favor GA to delay a couple of seasons to give ECNL top players a possible landing spot if they don't like how things shake out. But long-term it makes sense for all, except the MLS academies to switch, frankly.

"Actually parents with Q1 birthdays welcome playing up against older kids " if this was even remotely true you all would be currently playing up. You are not so your imagined scenario is a lie you tell yourself.

My kid is on a top team and does play up as a guest player and often trains against the older kids. Sometimes my kid would rather train against against those older/bigger kids all the time than the smaller kids on the current team -- which isn't ultimately an issue because we have one of the best coaches at the club. Speaking of which, it's a highly competitive club that's won national titles. Also interesting our Aug-Dec. players would rather stay on the current team vs. playing with the younger kids, so this desire to play against older kids IS a thing, especially at higher levels. That's our reality. What's yours?

Ugh... you wouldn't be "guesting" you would be on that team even if it meant you weren't on the "top" team. You didn't prove the point you think you did.