Anonymous wrote:Why are we so defensive? Politics is a dirty business. But somewhere along the way we convinced ourselves that being Democrats made us highly moral. We know it’s not true, but we also kinda can’t let it go. Sure, the Clintons and Pelosis and Bidens got rich, we admit, but so did the Trumps! And we, the dcurbanmoms, we never did anything wrong, except for maybe caring too much.

The question this thread asks shouldn’t be so upsetting to us, but it obviously is.

So can we just take a moment to pat ourselves on the back? We. Are. The. Better. Party. Smarter, nicer, more moral. No doubt about it. The Trump machine runs on hate. Of BIPOCs, LGTBQIA+s, civil servants, migrants, etc. They suck. And we’re actually pretty decent. Not perfect, but very good considering the alternative.

With that in mind, can we address the question of what we should do differently for 2026 and 2028? We did lose some ground with key demographics this time. No we didn’t deserve it. No we’re not in trouble for the future. But…could there possibly be any lessons? Is there anything the voters want that we *could* consider giving them that wouldn’t compromise our principles of our sense of ourselves as a party?

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Anonymous wrote:What actions do you have in mind?

The action I’m proposing is getting is giving the voters what they want, both now in government and in a new policy platform for the campaign trail. My proposed action is, try to win elections.

What are your proposed actions?

How do you propose getting through to voters in rural areas whose only news outlet is AM talk radio, and they’ve been told for thirty years that Democrats are devil worshippers?

How do you propose getting through to college kids who listen exclusively to Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan?

How do you propose getting through to a voter who doesn’t watch TV or listen to news or follow politics at all, but they think Trump is funny and tells it like it is?

Rural voters know exactly what the New York Times perspective is. It’s ubiquitous. It is we who live in a media bubble, by choice. Most of us avoid conservative media like the plague as a matter of purity principle.

Rural voters (and swing voters of all kinds) have a good understanding of what our party offers. They just don’t want it.

So we can either change, in hopes of winning more votes (and elections), or we can stay pure with our unpopular policies and remain the minority party.

No. Absolutely none of this is true. Rural voters do not have a good understanding of what Democrats offer. It’s all filtered fourth and fifth hand through layers of disinformation, Facebook conspiracy groups, bro podcasts, and right wing cable news. These outlets lie and lie and lie. Their viewers think Hillary Clinton is running a sex ring out of the basement of a pizza parlor. Fox News viewers consistently rank very low in factual understanding of the news.

Of course those voters don’t want what they think the Democratic party represents. That’s because Republicans are allowed free rein to characterize the party in the most alarmist, unflattering, and distorted terms possible.

Giving the voters what they want doesn’t work when what those voters want is supremacy, even if it comes at a steep personal cost. There’s already a party devoted to giving that to them. It’s called MAGA.

Are the voters wrong to want an end to mass illegal immigration?

This is the most unproductive thread:

The Dems are wrong about everything.

No current Dem could win an election, except some mythical cis, white, able-bodied Christian male.

Rural voters and angry white men should be catered to over everyone else.

Dems won’t win elections unless they apologize for every Democrat has been president in our lifetime.

Dems don’t deserve win if they give a shred of support to a LGBTQ or migrant.

Dems won’t win unless they tack further right and get no donations from a single billionaire.

Anything the Dems have said in this thread are stupid, out of touch, not enough, unduly combative, or elitist.

Am I missing anything?! 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:What actions do you have in mind?

The action I’m proposing is getting is giving the voters what they want, both now in government and in a new policy platform for the campaign trail. My proposed action is, try to win elections.

What are your proposed actions?

How do you propose getting through to voters in rural areas whose only news outlet is AM talk radio, and they’ve been told for thirty years that Democrats are devil worshippers?

How do you propose getting through to college kids who listen exclusively to Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan?

How do you propose getting through to a voter who doesn’t watch TV or listen to news or follow politics at all, but they think Trump is funny and tells it like it is?

Rural voters know exactly what the New York Times perspective is. It’s ubiquitous. It is we who live in a media bubble, by choice. Most of us avoid conservative media like the plague as a matter of purity principle.

Rural voters (and swing voters of all kinds) have a good understanding of what our party offers. They just don’t want it.

So we can either change, in hopes of winning more votes (and elections), or we can stay pure with our unpopular policies and remain the minority party.

No. Absolutely none of this is true. Rural voters do not have a good understanding of what Democrats offer. It’s all filtered fourth and fifth hand through layers of disinformation, Facebook conspiracy groups, bro podcasts, and right wing cable news. These outlets lie and lie and lie. Their viewers think Hillary Clinton is running a sex ring out of the basement of a pizza parlor. Fox News viewers consistently rank very low in factual understanding of the news.

Of course those voters don’t want what they think the Democratic party represents. That’s because Republicans are allowed free rein to characterize the party in the most alarmist, unflattering, and distorted terms possible.

Giving the voters what they want doesn’t work when what those voters want is supremacy, even if it comes at a steep personal cost. There’s already a party devoted to giving that to them. It’s called MAGA.

Are the voters wrong to want an end to mass illegal immigration?

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Anonymous wrote:But what work will we do for voters? They seem not to have enjoyed our recent work. And according to the most thorough polling and analytics done by Democrats, voters trust Republicans more than Democrats on all the issues voters consider most important. What are the policies we propose to sell using simple slogans?

Wait about six months. Once Trump and Elon are done looting the Treasury, and the stock market has tanked, and we’re in a full-blown recession, voters aren’t going to be quite as trusting of Republicans on the economy. It has been ever thus.

But what solutions will we offer to the recession? Will we have to say anything? How did Trump win during the excellent Biden boom?

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Anonymous wrote:But what work will we do for voters? They seem not to have enjoyed our recent work. And according to the most thorough polling and analytics done by Democrats, voters trust Republicans more than Democrats on all the issues voters consider most important. What are the policies we propose to sell using simple slogans?

Wait about six months. Once Trump and Elon are done looting the Treasury, and the stock market has tanked, and we’re in a full-blown recession, voters aren’t going to be quite as trusting of Republicans on the economy. It has been ever thus.

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Anonymous wrote:What actions do you have in mind?

The action I’m proposing is getting is giving the voters what they want, both now in government and in a new policy platform for the campaign trail. My proposed action is, try to win elections.

What are your proposed actions?

How do you propose getting through to voters in rural areas whose only news outlet is AM talk radio, and they’ve been told for thirty years that Democrats are devil worshippers?

How do you propose getting through to college kids who listen exclusively to Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan?

How do you propose getting through to a voter who doesn’t watch TV or listen to news or follow politics at all, but they think Trump is funny and tells it like it is?

Rural voters know exactly what the New York Times perspective is. It’s ubiquitous. It is we who live in a media bubble, by choice. Most of us avoid conservative media like the plague as a matter of purity principle.

Rural voters (and swing voters of all kinds) have a good understanding of what our party offers. They just don’t want it.

So we can either change, in hopes of winning more votes (and elections), or we can stay pure with our unpopular policies and remain the minority party.

No. Absolutely none of this is true. Rural voters do not have a good understanding of what Democrats offer. It’s all filtered fourth and fifth hand through layers of disinformation, Facebook conspiracy groups, bro podcasts, and right wing cable news. These outlets lie and lie and lie. Their viewers think Hillary Clinton is running a sex ring out of the basement of a pizza parlor. Fox News viewers consistently rank very low in factual understanding of the news.

Of course those voters don’t want what they think the Democratic party represents. That’s because Republicans are allowed free rein to characterize the party in the most alarmist, unflattering, and distorted terms possible.

Giving the voters what they want doesn’t work when what those voters want is supremacy, even if it comes at a steep personal cost. There’s already a party devoted to giving that to them. It’s called MAGA.

Anonymous wrote:But what work will we do for voters? They seem not to have enjoyed our recent work. And according to the most thorough polling and analytics done by Democrats, voters trust Republicans more than Democrats on all the issues voters consider most important. What are the policies we propose to sell using simple slogans?

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Anonymous wrote:What actions do you have in mind?

The action I’m proposing is getting is giving the voters what they want, both now in government and in a new policy platform for the campaign trail. My proposed action is, try to win elections.

What are your proposed actions?

How do you propose getting through to voters in rural areas whose only news outlet is AM talk radio, and they’ve been told for thirty years that Democrats are devil worshippers?

How do you propose getting through to college kids who listen exclusively to Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan?

How do you propose getting through to a voter who doesn’t watch TV or listen to news or follow politics at all, but they think Trump is funny and tells it like it is?

Rural voters know exactly what the New York Times perspective is. It’s ubiquitous. It is we who live in a media bubble, by choice. Most of us avoid conservative media like the plague as a matter of purity principle.

Rural voters (and swing voters of all kinds) have a good understanding of what our party offers. They just don’t want it.

So we can either change, in hopes of winning more votes (and elections), or we can stay pure with our unpopular policies and remain the minority party.

Anonymous wrote:Ossoff 2028!

In the meantime, I am protesting.