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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I think pay to play and ECNL has turned parents minds into mush.

Go all in on development and players will stop with the stupid age based competition levels.

Players that do not work out will get vetted sooner and their parents won't need to waste thousands on a dream that will never happen. On the other side of the coin top talent won't need to pay to be developed which will encourage high level play.

Who pays for the development if not the parents?

Professional teams. That's how it works internationally. In the US, the MLS academies a very generous for scholarships for players they think have a chance to either make the senior team or be sold.

Professional teams in the US don’t make enough money to do that. Not even close. Would need NFL type money

There he is Soccernomics Dad is back!

The irony is that multiple NWSL clubs are pushing for Acadamies. Berman even said that they are in an interview earlier this year. You know the same NWSL clubs that don't make "NFL" money.

I think soccernomics guy is a club owner thats high on the sweet sweet pay to play $$$. They've forgotten why people play sports and why spectators watch sports. For him it's all about creating some kind of barrier to higher level play that anyone can get past as long as they pay him.

If NWSL implements acadamies with an associated league (like MLS Next) it will take a lot $$$ out of the pay to play pot of gold.

To discount the economics of the situation is naive.

MLS makes it work. You can be pay to play for most of the kids and free or even offering compensation for the couple who actually matter

MLS makes it work because they have the money to make it work. They built the league slowly and expanded deliberately over 20+ years.

And simply put, women’s sports will just never make as much or eclipse men’s sports.

Haha you dont know what youre talking about.

MLS implemented a homegrown rule in 2008.

In 2008 there were 14 MLS Clubs

Currently NWSL has 14 Clubs

Sure seems like the economics of when MLS enabled Academies is exactly where NWSL is right now.

Exactly what part of it will happen but it will take a decade don't you understand? Exactly what part of women's sports simply do not match men's sports in revenue don't you understand?

What part of when US Soccer created and included MLS with the development of the DA leaving the girls' and women's game out in the cold don't you understand? ECNL exists solely as a reaction to US Soccer ignoring the girls game.

It has taken MLS over a decade to get where it currently is now. How can you just not understand that these things take time?

Not a single person here is arguing against NWSL or arguing for pay to play. We are all just telling you to pump your breaks on anything imminent.

There hasn't even been anything close to formal announcement and you have an entire academy structure and national youth league based on it all plotted out in your mind like it will happen this fall.

The fact that you discount the economics of the process as if they are of no concern shows how ignorant you truly are.

Did I touch a nerve there big fella?

A little too close to your cash cow (girls pay to play)

How things will map out when NWSL implements Acadamies is very important to players and parents.

As of right now it looks like NWSL will create something like MLS Next. This will be implemented through US Soccer (just like MLS Next was after DA) and it also means that "NWSL Next" will be done through GA because US Soccer recently made GA a full platform member.

Financially NWSL in 2024 is where MLS was in 2008 when MLS implemented a homegrown rule which allowed clubs to implement true Acadamies.

Who likes pay to play? I don't like pay to play.

IS it really your expectation that NWSL will have an academy/league system set up by 2025?

My only expectation is to expose how bad the youth age bound pay to play is for player development.

It's frustrating when I see all the new ECNL parents talking about wins and why XYZ club is "better" than ABC club and the reasons cited have nothing to do with actual player development.

Youth pay to play soccer is all about recruiting the biggest early developers to play on an age bound team. Skill isn't required if you're just more aggressive on defense and able to boot the ball up.

Players could be so much better but Ameicans don't know that pay to play isn't the best way to train talent.

I don't disagree with this sentiment, but the realities of incumbent systems and economics are still at play.

You're also waaaay off base by believing people are against pro academies. You're posts all come off as a crazed zealot vs a rational fan of the game who wants to see our national game improve.

Thank you for your assessment.

I think you come across as a cheapskate.

How can I spend other people's money? I don't own a NWSL club who's salaries are so low many players need to live in people's basements? Don't call me the cheapskate.

Funny, the guy that's a massive cheapskate doesn't want to be called out as a cheapskate.

Haven’t you also accused me of loving expensive pay to play ECNL?

Your arguments and insults make little sense and are contradictory.

“Women’s soccer is booming!!” Yet “women’s college soccer is doomed”

I don’t care how NWSL spends their money I’m just saying that it ain’t gonna be on a fully funded academy system any time soon.

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I think pay to play and ECNL has turned parents minds into mush.

Go all in on development and players will stop with the stupid age based competition levels.

Players that do not work out will get vetted sooner and their parents won't need to waste thousands on a dream that will never happen. On the other side of the coin top talent won't need to pay to be developed which will encourage high level play.

Who pays for the development if not the parents?

Professional teams. That's how it works internationally. In the US, the MLS academies a very generous for scholarships for players they think have a chance to either make the senior team or be sold.

Professional teams in the US don’t make enough money to do that. Not even close. Would need NFL type money

There he is Soccernomics Dad is back!

The irony is that multiple NWSL clubs are pushing for Acadamies. Berman even said that they are in an interview earlier this year. You know the same NWSL clubs that don't make "NFL" money.

I think soccernomics guy is a club owner thats high on the sweet sweet pay to play $$$. They've forgotten why people play sports and why spectators watch sports. For him it's all about creating some kind of barrier to higher level play that anyone can get past as long as they pay him.

If NWSL implements acadamies with an associated league (like MLS Next) it will take a lot $$$ out of the pay to play pot of gold.

To discount the economics of the situation is naive.

MLS makes it work. You can be pay to play for most of the kids and free or even offering compensation for the couple who actually matter

MLS makes it work because they have the money to make it work. They built the league slowly and expanded deliberately over 20+ years.

And simply put, women’s sports will just never make as much or eclipse men’s sports.

Haha you dont know what youre talking about.

MLS implemented a homegrown rule in 2008.

In 2008 there were 14 MLS Clubs

Currently NWSL has 14 Clubs

Sure seems like the economics of when MLS enabled Academies is exactly where NWSL is right now.

Exactly what part of it will happen but it will take a decade don't you understand? Exactly what part of women's sports simply do not match men's sports in revenue don't you understand?

What part of when US Soccer created and included MLS with the development of the DA leaving the girls' and women's game out in the cold don't you understand? ECNL exists solely as a reaction to US Soccer ignoring the girls game.

It has taken MLS over a decade to get where it currently is now. How can you just not understand that these things take time?

Not a single person here is arguing against NWSL or arguing for pay to play. We are all just telling you to pump your breaks on anything imminent.

There hasn't even been anything close to formal announcement and you have an entire academy structure and national youth league based on it all plotted out in your mind like it will happen this fall.

The fact that you discount the economics of the process as if they are of no concern shows how ignorant you truly are.

Did I touch a nerve there big fella?

A little too close to your cash cow (girls pay to play)

How things will map out when NWSL implements Acadamies is very important to players and parents.

As of right now it looks like NWSL will create something like MLS Next. This will be implemented through US Soccer (just like MLS Next was after DA) and it also means that "NWSL Next" will be done through GA because US Soccer recently made GA a full platform member.

Financially NWSL in 2024 is where MLS was in 2008 when MLS implemented a homegrown rule which allowed clubs to implement true Acadamies.

Who likes pay to play? I don't like pay to play.

IS it really your expectation that NWSL will have an academy/league system set up by 2025?

My only expectation is to expose how bad the youth age bound pay to play is for player development.

It's frustrating when I see all the new ECNL parents talking about wins and why XYZ club is "better" than ABC club and the reasons cited have nothing to do with actual player development.

Youth pay to play soccer is all about recruiting the biggest early developers to play on an age bound team. Skill isn't required if you're just more aggressive on defense and able to boot the ball up.

Players could be so much better but Ameicans don't know that pay to play isn't the best way to train talent.

I don't disagree with this sentiment, but the realities of incumbent systems and economics are still at play.

You're also waaaay off base by believing people are against pro academies. You're posts all come off as a crazed zealot vs a rational fan of the game who wants to see our national game improve.

Thank you for your assessment.

I think you come across as a cheapskate.

How can I spend other people's money? I don't own a NWSL club who's salaries are so low many players need to live in people's basements? Don't call me the cheapskate.

Funny, the guy that's a massive cheapskate doesn't want to be called out as a cheapskate.

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I think pay to play and ECNL has turned parents minds into mush.

Go all in on development and players will stop with the stupid age based competition levels.

Players that do not work out will get vetted sooner and their parents won't need to waste thousands on a dream that will never happen. On the other side of the coin top talent won't need to pay to be developed which will encourage high level play.

Who pays for the development if not the parents?

Professional teams. That's how it works internationally. In the US, the MLS academies a very generous for scholarships for players they think have a chance to either make the senior team or be sold.

Professional teams in the US don’t make enough money to do that. Not even close. Would need NFL type money

There he is Soccernomics Dad is back!

The irony is that multiple NWSL clubs are pushing for Acadamies. Berman even said that they are in an interview earlier this year. You know the same NWSL clubs that don't make "NFL" money.

I think soccernomics guy is a club owner thats high on the sweet sweet pay to play $$$. They've forgotten why people play sports and why spectators watch sports. For him it's all about creating some kind of barrier to higher level play that anyone can get past as long as they pay him.

If NWSL implements acadamies with an associated league (like MLS Next) it will take a lot $$$ out of the pay to play pot of gold.

To discount the economics of the situation is naive.

MLS makes it work. You can be pay to play for most of the kids and free or even offering compensation for the couple who actually matter

MLS makes it work because they have the money to make it work. They built the league slowly and expanded deliberately over 20+ years.

And simply put, women’s sports will just never make as much or eclipse men’s sports.

Haha you dont know what youre talking about.

MLS implemented a homegrown rule in 2008.

In 2008 there were 14 MLS Clubs

Currently NWSL has 14 Clubs

Sure seems like the economics of when MLS enabled Academies is exactly where NWSL is right now.

Exactly what part of it will happen but it will take a decade don't you understand? Exactly what part of women's sports simply do not match men's sports in revenue don't you understand?

What part of when US Soccer created and included MLS with the development of the DA leaving the girls' and women's game out in the cold don't you understand? ECNL exists solely as a reaction to US Soccer ignoring the girls game.

It has taken MLS over a decade to get where it currently is now. How can you just not understand that these things take time?

Not a single person here is arguing against NWSL or arguing for pay to play. We are all just telling you to pump your breaks on anything imminent.

There hasn't even been anything close to formal announcement and you have an entire academy structure and national youth league based on it all plotted out in your mind like it will happen this fall.

The fact that you discount the economics of the process as if they are of no concern shows how ignorant you truly are.

Did I touch a nerve there big fella?

A little too close to your cash cow (girls pay to play)

How things will map out when NWSL implements Acadamies is very important to players and parents.

As of right now it looks like NWSL will create something like MLS Next. This will be implemented through US Soccer (just like MLS Next was after DA) and it also means that "NWSL Next" will be done through GA because US Soccer recently made GA a full platform member.

Financially NWSL in 2024 is where MLS was in 2008 when MLS implemented a homegrown rule which allowed clubs to implement true Acadamies.

Who likes pay to play? I don't like pay to play.

IS it really your expectation that NWSL will have an academy/league system set up by 2025?

My only expectation is to expose how bad the youth age bound pay to play is for player development.

It's frustrating when I see all the new ECNL parents talking about wins and why XYZ club is "better" than ABC club and the reasons cited have nothing to do with actual player development.

Youth pay to play soccer is all about recruiting the biggest early developers to play on an age bound team. Skill isn't required if you're just more aggressive on defense and able to boot the ball up.

Players could be so much better but Ameicans don't know that pay to play isn't the best way to train talent.

I don't disagree with this sentiment, but the realities of incumbent systems and economics are still at play.

You're also waaaay off base by believing people are against pro academies. You're posts all come off as a crazed zealot vs a rational fan of the game who wants to see our national game improve.

Thank you for your assessment.

I think you come across as a cheapskate.

How can I spend other people's money? I don't own a NWSL club who's salaries are so low many players need to live in people's basements? Don't call me the cheapskate.

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I think pay to play and ECNL has turned parents minds into mush.

Go all in on development and players will stop with the stupid age based competition levels.

Players that do not work out will get vetted sooner and their parents won't need to waste thousands on a dream that will never happen. On the other side of the coin top talent won't need to pay to be developed which will encourage high level play.

Who pays for the development if not the parents?

Professional teams. That's how it works internationally. In the US, the MLS academies a very generous for scholarships for players they think have a chance to either make the senior team or be sold.

Professional teams in the US don’t make enough money to do that. Not even close. Would need NFL type money

There he is Soccernomics Dad is back!

The irony is that multiple NWSL clubs are pushing for Acadamies. Berman even said that they are in an interview earlier this year. You know the same NWSL clubs that don't make "NFL" money.

I think soccernomics guy is a club owner thats high on the sweet sweet pay to play $$$. They've forgotten why people play sports and why spectators watch sports. For him it's all about creating some kind of barrier to higher level play that anyone can get past as long as they pay him.

If NWSL implements acadamies with an associated league (like MLS Next) it will take a lot $$$ out of the pay to play pot of gold.

To discount the economics of the situation is naive.

MLS makes it work. You can be pay to play for most of the kids and free or even offering compensation for the couple who actually matter

MLS makes it work because they have the money to make it work. They built the league slowly and expanded deliberately over 20+ years.

And simply put, women’s sports will just never make as much or eclipse men’s sports.

Haha you dont know what youre talking about.

MLS implemented a homegrown rule in 2008.

In 2008 there were 14 MLS Clubs

Currently NWSL has 14 Clubs

Sure seems like the economics of when MLS enabled Academies is exactly where NWSL is right now.

Exactly what part of it will happen but it will take a decade don't you understand? Exactly what part of women's sports simply do not match men's sports in revenue don't you understand?

What part of when US Soccer created and included MLS with the development of the DA leaving the girls' and women's game out in the cold don't you understand? ECNL exists solely as a reaction to US Soccer ignoring the girls game.

It has taken MLS over a decade to get where it currently is now. How can you just not understand that these things take time?

Not a single person here is arguing against NWSL or arguing for pay to play. We are all just telling you to pump your breaks on anything imminent.

There hasn't even been anything close to formal announcement and you have an entire academy structure and national youth league based on it all plotted out in your mind like it will happen this fall.

The fact that you discount the economics of the process as if they are of no concern shows how ignorant you truly are.

Did I touch a nerve there big fella?

A little too close to your cash cow (girls pay to play)

How things will map out when NWSL implements Acadamies is very important to players and parents.

As of right now it looks like NWSL will create something like MLS Next. This will be implemented through US Soccer (just like MLS Next was after DA) and it also means that "NWSL Next" will be done through GA because US Soccer recently made GA a full platform member.

Financially NWSL in 2024 is where MLS was in 2008 when MLS implemented a homegrown rule which allowed clubs to implement true Acadamies.

Who likes pay to play? I don't like pay to play.

IS it really your expectation that NWSL will have an academy/league system set up by 2025?

My only expectation is to expose how bad the youth age bound pay to play is for player development.

It's frustrating when I see all the new ECNL parents talking about wins and why XYZ club is "better" than ABC club and the reasons cited have nothing to do with actual player development.

Youth pay to play soccer is all about recruiting the biggest early developers to play on an age bound team. Skill isn't required if you're just more aggressive on defense and able to boot the ball up.

Players could be so much better but Ameicans don't know that pay to play isn't the best way to train talent.

I don't disagree with this sentiment, but the realities of incumbent systems and economics are still at play.

You're also waaaay off base by believing people are against pro academies. You're posts all come off as a crazed zealot vs a rational fan of the game who wants to see our national game improve.

Thank you for your assessment.

I think you come across as a cheapskate.

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I think pay to play and ECNL has turned parents minds into mush.

Go all in on development and players will stop with the stupid age based competition levels.

Players that do not work out will get vetted sooner and their parents won't need to waste thousands on a dream that will never happen. On the other side of the coin top talent won't need to pay to be developed which will encourage high level play.

Who pays for the development if not the parents?

Professional teams. That's how it works internationally. In the US, the MLS academies a very generous for scholarships for players they think have a chance to either make the senior team or be sold.

Professional teams in the US don’t make enough money to do that. Not even close. Would need NFL type money

There he is Soccernomics Dad is back!

The irony is that multiple NWSL clubs are pushing for Acadamies. Berman even said that they are in an interview earlier this year. You know the same NWSL clubs that don't make "NFL" money.

I think soccernomics guy is a club owner thats high on the sweet sweet pay to play $$$. They've forgotten why people play sports and why spectators watch sports. For him it's all about creating some kind of barrier to higher level play that anyone can get past as long as they pay him.

If NWSL implements acadamies with an associated league (like MLS Next) it will take a lot $$$ out of the pay to play pot of gold.

To discount the economics of the situation is naive.

MLS makes it work. You can be pay to play for most of the kids and free or even offering compensation for the couple who actually matter

MLS makes it work because they have the money to make it work. They built the league slowly and expanded deliberately over 20+ years.

And simply put, women’s sports will just never make as much or eclipse men’s sports.

Haha you dont know what youre talking about.

MLS implemented a homegrown rule in 2008.

In 2008 there were 14 MLS Clubs

Currently NWSL has 14 Clubs

Sure seems like the economics of when MLS enabled Academies is exactly where NWSL is right now.

Exactly what part of it will happen but it will take a decade don't you understand? Exactly what part of women's sports simply do not match men's sports in revenue don't you understand?

What part of when US Soccer created and included MLS with the development of the DA leaving the girls' and women's game out in the cold don't you understand? ECNL exists solely as a reaction to US Soccer ignoring the girls game.

It has taken MLS over a decade to get where it currently is now. How can you just not understand that these things take time?

Not a single person here is arguing against NWSL or arguing for pay to play. We are all just telling you to pump your breaks on anything imminent.

There hasn't even been anything close to formal announcement and you have an entire academy structure and national youth league based on it all plotted out in your mind like it will happen this fall.

The fact that you discount the economics of the process as if they are of no concern shows how ignorant you truly are.

Did I touch a nerve there big fella?

A little too close to your cash cow (girls pay to play)

How things will map out when NWSL implements Acadamies is very important to players and parents.

As of right now it looks like NWSL will create something like MLS Next. This will be implemented through US Soccer (just like MLS Next was after DA) and it also means that "NWSL Next" will be done through GA because US Soccer recently made GA a full platform member.

Financially NWSL in 2024 is where MLS was in 2008 when MLS implemented a homegrown rule which allowed clubs to implement true Acadamies.

Who likes pay to play? I don't like pay to play.

IS it really your expectation that NWSL will have an academy/league system set up by 2025?

My only expectation is to expose how bad the youth age bound pay to play is for player development.

It's frustrating when I see all the new ECNL parents talking about wins and why XYZ club is "better" than ABC club and the reasons cited have nothing to do with actual player development.

Youth pay to play soccer is all about recruiting the biggest early developers to play on an age bound team. Skill isn't required if you're just more aggressive on defense and able to boot the ball up.

Players could be so much better but Ameicans don't know that pay to play isn't the best way to train talent.

I don't disagree with this sentiment, but the realities of incumbent systems and economics are still at play.

You're also waaaay off base by believing people are against pro academies. You're posts all come off as a crazed zealot vs a rational fan of the game who wants to see our national game improve.

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I think pay to play and ECNL has turned parents minds into mush.

Go all in on development and players will stop with the stupid age based competition levels.

Players that do not work out will get vetted sooner and their parents won't need to waste thousands on a dream that will never happen. On the other side of the coin top talent won't need to pay to be developed which will encourage high level play.

Who pays for the development if not the parents?

Professional teams. That's how it works internationally. In the US, the MLS academies a very generous for scholarships for players they think have a chance to either make the senior team or be sold.

Professional teams in the US don’t make enough money to do that. Not even close. Would need NFL type money

There he is Soccernomics Dad is back!

The irony is that multiple NWSL clubs are pushing for Acadamies. Berman even said that they are in an interview earlier this year. You know the same NWSL clubs that don't make "NFL" money.

I think soccernomics guy is a club owner thats high on the sweet sweet pay to play $$$. They've forgotten why people play sports and why spectators watch sports. For him it's all about creating some kind of barrier to higher level play that anyone can get past as long as they pay him.

If NWSL implements acadamies with an associated league (like MLS Next) it will take a lot $$$ out of the pay to play pot of gold.

To discount the economics of the situation is naive.

MLS makes it work. You can be pay to play for most of the kids and free or even offering compensation for the couple who actually matter

MLS makes it work because they have the money to make it work. They built the league slowly and expanded deliberately over 20+ years.

And simply put, women’s sports will just never make as much or eclipse men’s sports.

Haha you dont know what youre talking about.

MLS implemented a homegrown rule in 2008.

In 2008 there were 14 MLS Clubs

Currently NWSL has 14 Clubs

Sure seems like the economics of when MLS enabled Academies is exactly where NWSL is right now.

Exactly what part of it will happen but it will take a decade don't you understand? Exactly what part of women's sports simply do not match men's sports in revenue don't you understand?

What part of when US Soccer created and included MLS with the development of the DA leaving the girls' and women's game out in the cold don't you understand? ECNL exists solely as a reaction to US Soccer ignoring the girls game.

It has taken MLS over a decade to get where it currently is now. How can you just not understand that these things take time?

Not a single person here is arguing against NWSL or arguing for pay to play. We are all just telling you to pump your breaks on anything imminent.

There hasn't even been anything close to formal announcement and you have an entire academy structure and national youth league based on it all plotted out in your mind like it will happen this fall.

The fact that you discount the economics of the process as if they are of no concern shows how ignorant you truly are.

Did I touch a nerve there big fella?

A little too close to your cash cow (girls pay to play)

How things will map out when NWSL implements Acadamies is very important to players and parents.

As of right now it looks like NWSL will create something like MLS Next. This will be implemented through US Soccer (just like MLS Next was after DA) and it also means that "NWSL Next" will be done through GA because US Soccer recently made GA a full platform member.

Financially NWSL in 2024 is where MLS was in 2008 when MLS implemented a homegrown rule which allowed clubs to implement true Acadamies.

Who likes pay to play? I don't like pay to play.

IS it really your expectation that NWSL will have an academy/league system set up by 2025?

My only expectation is to expose how bad the youth age bound pay to play is for player development.

It's frustrating when I see all the new ECNL parents talking about wins and why XYZ club is "better" than ABC club and the reasons cited have nothing to do with actual player development.

Youth pay to play soccer is all about recruiting the biggest early developers to play on an age bound team. Skill isn't required if you're just more aggressive on defense and able to boot the ball up.

Players could be so much better but Ameicans don't know that pay to play isn't the best way to train talent.

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I think pay to play and ECNL has turned parents minds into mush.

Go all in on development and players will stop with the stupid age based competition levels.

Players that do not work out will get vetted sooner and their parents won't need to waste thousands on a dream that will never happen. On the other side of the coin top talent won't need to pay to be developed which will encourage high level play.

Who pays for the development if not the parents?

Professional teams. That's how it works internationally. In the US, the MLS academies a very generous for scholarships for players they think have a chance to either make the senior team or be sold.

Professional teams in the US don’t make enough money to do that. Not even close. Would need NFL type money

There he is Soccernomics Dad is back!

The irony is that multiple NWSL clubs are pushing for Acadamies. Berman even said that they are in an interview earlier this year. You know the same NWSL clubs that don't make "NFL" money.

I think soccernomics guy is a club owner thats high on the sweet sweet pay to play $$$. They've forgotten why people play sports and why spectators watch sports. For him it's all about creating some kind of barrier to higher level play that anyone can get past as long as they pay him.

If NWSL implements acadamies with an associated league (like MLS Next) it will take a lot $$$ out of the pay to play pot of gold.

To discount the economics of the situation is naive.

MLS makes it work. You can be pay to play for most of the kids and free or even offering compensation for the couple who actually matter

MLS makes it work because they have the money to make it work. They built the league slowly and expanded deliberately over 20+ years.

And simply put, women’s sports will just never make as much or eclipse men’s sports.

Haha you dont know what youre talking about.

MLS implemented a homegrown rule in 2008.

In 2008 there were 14 MLS Clubs

Currently NWSL has 14 Clubs

Sure seems like the economics of when MLS enabled Academies is exactly where NWSL is right now.

Exactly what part of it will happen but it will take a decade don't you understand? Exactly what part of women's sports simply do not match men's sports in revenue don't you understand?

What part of when US Soccer created and included MLS with the development of the DA leaving the girls' and women's game out in the cold don't you understand? ECNL exists solely as a reaction to US Soccer ignoring the girls game.

It has taken MLS over a decade to get where it currently is now. How can you just not understand that these things take time?

Not a single person here is arguing against NWSL or arguing for pay to play. We are all just telling you to pump your breaks on anything imminent.

There hasn't even been anything close to formal announcement and you have an entire academy structure and national youth league based on it all plotted out in your mind like it will happen this fall.

The fact that you discount the economics of the process as if they are of no concern shows how ignorant you truly are.

Did I touch a nerve there big fella?

A little too close to your cash cow (girls pay to play)

How things will map out when NWSL implements Acadamies is very important to players and parents.

As of right now it looks like NWSL will create something like MLS Next. This will be implemented through US Soccer (just like MLS Next was after DA) and it also means that "NWSL Next" will be done through GA because US Soccer recently made GA a full platform member.

Financially NWSL in 2024 is where MLS was in 2008 when MLS implemented a homegrown rule which allowed clubs to implement true Acadamies.

Who likes pay to play? I don't like pay to play.

IS it really your expectation that NWSL will have an academy/league system set up by 2025?

Anonymous wrote:NWSL will first focus on having a 2nd team. And those players will be those identified as having true potential to turn pro...those willing to give up college, etc. and dedicate their HS years to soccer (online school, etc.)

IMO, a younger league is several years away, but having U19 teams (comprised of players 15-18 years old) is coming sooner than later. NWSL focus isn't on developing 12 year olds and younger players rt now. But they want those YNT U15, U16, U17 players being developed in a professional environment. And the USYNT system wants those players being developed in that way, too. The U17 YNT girls are told to go find a pro team to train with, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I think pay to play and ECNL has turned parents minds into mush.

Go all in on development and players will stop with the stupid age based competition levels.

Players that do not work out will get vetted sooner and their parents won't need to waste thousands on a dream that will never happen. On the other side of the coin top talent won't need to pay to be developed which will encourage high level play.

Who pays for the development if not the parents?

Professional teams. That's how it works internationally. In the US, the MLS academies a very generous for scholarships for players they think have a chance to either make the senior team or be sold.

Professional teams in the US don’t make enough money to do that. Not even close. Would need NFL type money

There he is Soccernomics Dad is back!

The irony is that multiple NWSL clubs are pushing for Acadamies. Berman even said that they are in an interview earlier this year. You know the same NWSL clubs that don't make "NFL" money.

I think soccernomics guy is a club owner thats high on the sweet sweet pay to play $$$. They've forgotten why people play sports and why spectators watch sports. For him it's all about creating some kind of barrier to higher level play that anyone can get past as long as they pay him.

If NWSL implements acadamies with an associated league (like MLS Next) it will take a lot $$$ out of the pay to play pot of gold.

To discount the economics of the situation is naive.

MLS makes it work. You can be pay to play for most of the kids and free or even offering compensation for the couple who actually matter

MLS makes it work because they have the money to make it work. They built the league slowly and expanded deliberately over 20+ years.

And simply put, women’s sports will just never make as much or eclipse men’s sports.

Haha you dont know what youre talking about.

MLS implemented a homegrown rule in 2008.

In 2008 there were 14 MLS Clubs

Currently NWSL has 14 Clubs

Sure seems like the economics of when MLS enabled Academies is exactly where NWSL is right now.

Exactly what part of it will happen but it will take a decade don't you understand? Exactly what part of women's sports simply do not match men's sports in revenue don't you understand?

What part of when US Soccer created and included MLS with the development of the DA leaving the girls' and women's game out in the cold don't you understand? ECNL exists solely as a reaction to US Soccer ignoring the girls game.

It has taken MLS over a decade to get where it currently is now. How can you just not understand that these things take time?

Not a single person here is arguing against NWSL or arguing for pay to play. We are all just telling you to pump your breaks on anything imminent.

There hasn't even been anything close to formal announcement and you have an entire academy structure and national youth league based on it all plotted out in your mind like it will happen this fall.

The fact that you discount the economics of the process as if they are of no concern shows how ignorant you truly are.

Did I touch a nerve there big fella?

A little too close to your cash cow (girls pay to play)

How things will map out when NWSL implements Acadamies is very important to players and parents.

As of right now it looks like NWSL will create something like MLS Next. This will be implemented through US Soccer (just like MLS Next was after DA) and it also means that "NWSL Next" will be done through GA because US Soccer recently made GA a full platform member.

Financially NWSL in 2024 is where MLS was in 2008 when MLS implemented a homegrown rule which allowed clubs to implement true Acadamies.

Who likes pay to play? I don't like pay to play.

That said, the women's game is not the same as the men's game. TRUE academies for MLS haven't really existed until the last 8 years or so. DC United was the last club to be fully funded, which is how I am defining a "true academy".

And, MLS was a part of DA until the DA no longer served MLS's needs. NWSL will likely take a club approach as opposed to operating a formal league. Spirit may partner with a local club to get the ball rolling, just as Courage and a couple of other NWSL clubs are doing. Over time, if they find success developing talent I would expect NWSL to form their own youth league like MLS has recently done.

It is easier early on to pick club partners than try to pick a league as partner. If the club is GA or ECNL, it won't matter to the NWSL club.

But this will all take time.

IS it really your expectation that NWSL will have an academy/league system set up by 2025?

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I think pay to play and ECNL has turned parents minds into mush.

Go all in on development and players will stop with the stupid age based competition levels.

Players that do not work out will get vetted sooner and their parents won't need to waste thousands on a dream that will never happen. On the other side of the coin top talent won't need to pay to be developed which will encourage high level play.

Who pays for the development if not the parents?

Professional teams. That's how it works internationally. In the US, the MLS academies a very generous for scholarships for players they think have a chance to either make the senior team or be sold.

Professional teams in the US don’t make enough money to do that. Not even close. Would need NFL type money

There he is Soccernomics Dad is back!

The irony is that multiple NWSL clubs are pushing for Acadamies. Berman even said that they are in an interview earlier this year. You know the same NWSL clubs that don't make "NFL" money.

I think soccernomics guy is a club owner thats high on the sweet sweet pay to play $$$. They've forgotten why people play sports and why spectators watch sports. For him it's all about creating some kind of barrier to higher level play that anyone can get past as long as they pay him.

If NWSL implements acadamies with an associated league (like MLS Next) it will take a lot $$$ out of the pay to play pot of gold.

To discount the economics of the situation is naive.

MLS makes it work. You can be pay to play for most of the kids and free or even offering compensation for the couple who actually matter

MLS makes it work because they have the money to make it work. They built the league slowly and expanded deliberately over 20+ years.

And simply put, women’s sports will just never make as much or eclipse men’s sports.

Haha you dont know what youre talking about.

MLS implemented a homegrown rule in 2008.

In 2008 there were 14 MLS Clubs

Currently NWSL has 14 Clubs

Sure seems like the economics of when MLS enabled Academies is exactly where NWSL is right now.

Exactly what part of it will happen but it will take a decade don't you understand? Exactly what part of women's sports simply do not match men's sports in revenue don't you understand?

What part of when US Soccer created and included MLS with the development of the DA leaving the girls' and women's game out in the cold don't you understand? ECNL exists solely as a reaction to US Soccer ignoring the girls game.

It has taken MLS over a decade to get where it currently is now. How can you just not understand that these things take time?

Not a single person here is arguing against NWSL or arguing for pay to play. We are all just telling you to pump your breaks on anything imminent.

There hasn't even been anything close to formal announcement and you have an entire academy structure and national youth league based on it all plotted out in your mind like it will happen this fall.

The fact that you discount the economics of the process as if they are of no concern shows how ignorant you truly are.

Did I touch a nerve there big fella?

A little too close to your cash cow (girls pay to play)

How things will map out when NWSL implements Acadamies is very important to players and parents.

As of right now it looks like NWSL will create something like MLS Next. This will be implemented through US Soccer (just like MLS Next was after DA) and it also means that "NWSL Next" will be done through GA because US Soccer recently made GA a full platform member.

Financially NWSL in 2024 is where MLS was in 2008 when MLS implemented a homegrown rule which allowed clubs to implement true Acadamies.

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I think pay to play and ECNL has turned parents minds into mush.

Go all in on development and players will stop with the stupid age based competition levels.

Players that do not work out will get vetted sooner and their parents won't need to waste thousands on a dream that will never happen. On the other side of the coin top talent won't need to pay to be developed which will encourage high level play.

Who pays for the development if not the parents?

Professional teams. That's how it works internationally. In the US, the MLS academies a very generous for scholarships for players they think have a chance to either make the senior team or be sold.

Professional teams in the US don’t make enough money to do that. Not even close. Would need NFL type money

There he is Soccernomics Dad is back!

The irony is that multiple NWSL clubs are pushing for Acadamies. Berman even said that they are in an interview earlier this year. You know the same NWSL clubs that don't make "NFL" money.

I think soccernomics guy is a club owner thats high on the sweet sweet pay to play $$$. They've forgotten why people play sports and why spectators watch sports. For him it's all about creating some kind of barrier to higher level play that anyone can get past as long as they pay him.

If NWSL implements acadamies with an associated league (like MLS Next) it will take a lot $$$ out of the pay to play pot of gold.

To discount the economics of the situation is naive.

MLS makes it work. You can be pay to play for most of the kids and free or even offering compensation for the couple who actually matter

MLS makes it work because they have the money to make it work. They built the league slowly and expanded deliberately over 20+ years.

And simply put, women’s sports will just never make as much or eclipse men’s sports.

Haha you dont know what youre talking about.

MLS implemented a homegrown rule in 2008.

In 2008 there were 14 MLS Clubs

Currently NWSL has 14 Clubs

Sure seems like the economics of when MLS enabled Academies is exactly where NWSL is right now.

Exactly what part of it will happen but it will take a decade don't you understand? Exactly what part of women's sports simply do not match men's sports in revenue don't you understand?

What part of when US Soccer created and included MLS with the development of the DA leaving the girls' and women's game out in the cold don't you understand? ECNL exists solely as a reaction to US Soccer ignoring the girls game.

It has taken MLS over a decade to get where it currently is now. How can you just not understand that these things take time?

Not a single person here is arguing against NWSL or arguing for pay to play. We are all just telling you to pump your breaks on anything imminent.

There hasn't even been anything close to formal announcement and you have an entire academy structure and national youth league based on it all plotted out in your mind like it will happen this fall.

The fact that you discount the economics of the process as if they are of no concern shows how ignorant you truly are.

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I think pay to play and ECNL has turned parents minds into mush.

Go all in on development and players will stop with the stupid age based competition levels.

Players that do not work out will get vetted sooner and their parents won't need to waste thousands on a dream that will never happen. On the other side of the coin top talent won't need to pay to be developed which will encourage high level play.

Who pays for the development if not the parents?

Professional teams. That's how it works internationally. In the US, the MLS academies a very generous for scholarships for players they think have a chance to either make the senior team or be sold.

Professional teams in the US don’t make enough money to do that. Not even close. Would need NFL type money

There he is Soccernomics Dad is back!

The irony is that multiple NWSL clubs are pushing for Acadamies. Berman even said that they are in an interview earlier this year. You know the same NWSL clubs that don't make "NFL" money.

I think soccernomics guy is a club owner thats high on the sweet sweet pay to play $$$. They've forgotten why people play sports and why spectators watch sports. For him it's all about creating some kind of barrier to higher level play that anyone can get past as long as they pay him.

If NWSL implements acadamies with an associated league (like MLS Next) it will take a lot $$$ out of the pay to play pot of gold.

To discount the economics of the situation is naive.

MLS makes it work. You can be pay to play for most of the kids and free or even offering compensation for the couple who actually matter

MLS makes it work because they have the money to make it work. They built the league slowly and expanded deliberately over 20+ years.

And simply put, women’s sports will just never make as much or eclipse men’s sports.

Haha you dont know what youre talking about.

MLS implemented a homegrown rule in 2008.

In 2008 there were 14 MLS Clubs

Currently NWSL has 14 Clubs

Sure seems like the economics of when MLS enabled Acadamies is exactly where NWSL is right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I think pay to play and ECNL has turned parents minds into mush.

Go all in on development and players will stop with the stupid age based competition levels.

Players that do not work out will get vetted sooner and their parents won't need to waste thousands on a dream that will never happen. On the other side of the coin top talent won't need to pay to be developed which will encourage high level play.

Who pays for the development if not the parents?

Professional teams. That's how it works internationally. In the US, the MLS academies a very generous for scholarships for players they think have a chance to either make the senior team or be sold.

Professional teams in the US don’t make enough money to do that. Not even close. Would need NFL type money

There he is Soccernomics Dad is back!

The irony is that multiple NWSL clubs are pushing for Acadamies. Berman even said that they are in an interview earlier this year. You know the same NWSL clubs that don't make "NFL" money.

I think soccernomics guy is a club owner thats high on the sweet sweet pay to play $$$. They've forgotten why people play sports and why spectators watch sports. For him it's all about creating some kind of barrier to higher level play that anyone can get past as long as they pay him.

If NWSL implements acadamies with an associated league (like MLS Next) it will take a lot $$$ out of the pay to play pot of gold.

To discount the economics of the situation is naive.

MLS makes it work. You can be pay to play for most of the kids and free or even offering compensation for the couple who actually matter

MLS makes it work because they have the money to make it work. They built the league slowly and expanded deliberately over 20+ years.

And simply put, women’s sports will just never make as much or eclipse men’s sports.

Haha you dont know what youre talking about.

MLS implemented a homegrown rule in 2008.

In 2008 there were 14 MLS Clubs

Currently NWSL has 14 Clubs

Sure seems like the economics of when MLS enabled Academies is exactly where NWSL is right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Adding Bayside FC continues this narrative of this shadow war on the boys side. Bayside FC has MLS Next. None of the clubs that have switched to ECNL from GA have MLSN on the boys side and none of the clubs that have come into GA or DPL have any ECNL affiliation from the boys side, NL or RL.

Yep, and just wait until NWSL Next happens.

It's becoming very clear what's going to happen next.

I think everything could change overnight.

All NWSL has to do is implement a homegrown rule and say that they'll have Acadamies in the next season.

And boom everything in girls you soccer would be flipped on it head.

While I do have my doubts, I'm not ruling that out. It would be a win win for them, they wouldn't have to put much into it at first, just wait and see how it blooms and then start figuring out the rest. People keep talking about the financials but nobody is expecting fully funded NWSL academies from the beginning. We all already pay a large sum to participate and would continue to do so.

That's now really how it works. It needs to be truly differentiated from any other local club. As another poster pointed, Washington Spirit Academy was terrible. If you are charging people money then they would have to beat expectations. Paying to be a part of a start up in a already saturated market does not lead to immediate success.

The only way a NWSL Academy system will get off the ground is to be either fully funded or much much cheaper than other competing youth clubs.

NWSL is still competing with College recruitment for player's goals and objectives. If the academy has no track record or a true ability to showcase competitively it will fail upon launch. The hope of being pro is just not enough with the few limited pro opportunities available. And if the academy can't draw the interest of the best players regionally then it will not serve the purpose to the pro club either.

If it's free then that changes the dynamic of the player is no longer the consumer, but as long as the player is the consumer Spirit would have to offer one hell of bang for the buck in comparison to other clubs who can do the same thing for their player.

I just don't see this changing overnight. It is going to be a long and thoughtful process for NWSL to launch any meaningful academy system. Yes, it will happen but it will take a decade and there is nothing wrong with that. It would be better to to roll it out slowly and get it right than try and rush it, waste time, money and look bad. NWSL would never recover from a a faceplant.

I think everything could change overnight.

All NWSL has to do is implement a homegrown rule and say that they'll have Acadamies in the next season.

And boom everything in girls you soccer would be flipped on it head.

I think you overestimate how delusional kids are about where they stand. In a given region, a homegrown rule may apply to one or two girls at most. The other few thousand playing at any one time understand that they won't go pro regardless

The kids and parents may be delusional but the NWSL Clubs can't feed into that. The homegrown rule is ultimately how the academy will be funded and if it isn't taken seriously by the club and attracts serious talent then its nothing more than pay to play fan experience.

Either way it doesn't matter. The "problem" addresses itself.

If clubs don't take development seriously they won't get transfer money from selling players to other clubs via transfer fees. Also if clubs don't develop players they won't get call ups to academy team and ultimately pro MLS/NWSL teams.

Question: what is the homegrown rule?