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Anonymous wrote:So I'm sure this has been asked and answered in this thread but I can't comb through 30 pages.

Obviously gun control is the answer here. But in lieu of actual sensible reform, why can we not secure these school buildings? I work in a hospital. It's badge in, badge out. No exceptions. There's three big-@ss security guards at every door (and only two entrances). No sketchy teen with a backpack full of anything is getting past these guys.

I'm trying to figure out how an 18 yo blows into an elementary school in body armor with a backpack. Why wouldn't we start with a simple security fix??

I worry for your patients if you are this naïve. You think a gun can’t get past three “big @ss” security guards? My dear, that is the entire point of a gun- to give the weakest, flabbiest man the power to kill anyone or anything.

Ignoring your rude comment towards my patients, security guards are *but one* measure of establishing safeguards around a vulnerable population. Others include ID requirements, badge access, check in/out, etc etc. The county courthouse should not be safer than the elementary school. My point is that building security is low-hanging fruit and should be addressed while we work towards safer gun laws.

Doubling down on the stupid, I see.

I'm the hospital worker suggesting increased building security. I've been called "stupid" twice in 4 posts, PP is "worried for my patients". This kind of combative, insulting behavior is why we can't have discussions at this time in our country.

Yes I know you can "shoot your way into a building", as someone else put it. That's not what happened in this scenario, nor is it usually the case. This kid walked into the building. No I don't think "big guys" can stop bullets. Many layers of protection are needed if security is the goal.

There is nothing that will stop these events other than sensible gun control. Nothing. Most Americans (including me) support that. We have 50 sitting senators not listening to the majority of Americans. So what are we doing about that? Obviously we need to vote them out and lobby for what's right. Also, tomorrow another one of these shootings will happen. Asking aloud what we're doing to prevent another school shooting tomorrow isn't "stupid". Anyone hurling insults, wringing their hands, or "sending thoughts and prayers" without also making practical suggestions is part of the problem. Gun control is the answer. I will do everything I can as a voting citizen to get us there. The question is how we are keeping our kids safe today.

I agree with you. A locked door would have stopped him or slowed him down.

I just drove past the school my kids attended. From this busy road I could see the PE classes outside playing softball and other games. Are you proposing that kids be locked inside always?

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Anonymous wrote:So I'm sure this has been asked and answered in this thread but I can't comb through 30 pages.

Obviously gun control is the answer here. But in lieu of actual sensible reform, why can we not secure these school buildings? I work in a hospital. It's badge in, badge out. No exceptions. There's three big-@ss security guards at every door (and only two entrances). No sketchy teen with a backpack full of anything is getting past these guys.

I'm trying to figure out how an 18 yo blows into an elementary school in body armor with a backpack. Why wouldn't we start with a simple security fix??

I worry for your patients if you are this naïve. You think a gun can’t get past three “big @ss” security guards? My dear, that is the entire point of a gun- to give the weakest, flabbiest man the power to kill anyone or anything.

Ignoring your rude comment towards my patients, security guards are *but one* measure of establishing safeguards around a vulnerable population. Others include ID requirements, badge access, check in/out, etc etc. The county courthouse should not be safer than the elementary school. My point is that building security is low-hanging fruit and should be addressed while we work towards safer gun laws.

Doubling down on the stupid, I see.

I'm the hospital worker suggesting increased building security. I've been called "stupid" twice in 4 posts, PP is "worried for my patients". This kind of combative, insulting behavior is why we can't have discussions at this time in our country.

Yes I know you can "shoot your way into a building", as someone else put it. That's not what happened in this scenario, nor is it usually the case. This kid walked into the building. No I don't think "big guys" can stop bullets. Many layers of protection are needed if security is the goal.

There is nothing that will stop these events other than sensible gun control. Nothing. Most Americans (including me) support that. We have 50 sitting senators not listening to the majority of Americans. So what are we doing about that? Obviously we need to vote them out and lobby for what's right. Also, tomorrow another one of these shootings will happen. Asking aloud what we're doing to prevent another school shooting tomorrow isn't "stupid". Anyone hurling insults, wringing their hands, or "sending thoughts and prayers" without also making practical suggestions is part of the problem. Gun control is the answer. I will do everything I can as a voting citizen to get us there. The question is how we are keeping our kids safe today.

I agree with you. A locked door would have stopped him or slowed him down.

An 18 year old is legally permitted to purchase body armor, at least two AR15s, 375 rounds of ammo, and seven high capacity magazines with 30 bullet capacities.

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Anonymous wrote:Reports that the shooter was bullied mercilessly at school due to a lisp and stutter. More red flags.

Maybe he was rejected by his classmates and peers for being an evil psychopath.

Write whatever narrative brings you comfort. Bullied, incel man-children with guns are a real and present danger.

Yes, they are.

Can we stop with the anti-bullying campaigns at schools? People have made a fortune from those. Maybe some kids deserve to be red-flagged for being weird.

That's utterly the wrong takeaway here. This shooter was failed by a number of people in his life, particularly his drug addicted mother, and it seems that for the past five years or so, he's been on a steady downward spiral with no one to stop it. The fact that this country allows a kid like this to walk into a store and buy high capacity magazines is an unspeakable tragedy. Maybe this kid was just a sociopath from birth, and utterly unredeemable. Or maybe if he hadn't been able to buy those guns, he could have gotten some help and turned his life around in some way. We'll never know. We do know that he was allowed to take the lives of 19 other people -- and permanently scar dozens or hundreds of others--because this County as collectively unwilling to say that a teen should not have a gun like this.

Anonymous wrote:I am so angry. Scared, sick, and so fricking angry. We, as parents, have to force national change now.

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Anonymous wrote:None of that matters. People who get bullied in other countries don’t shoot up schools because they don’t have access to guns.

FYI, people in other countries don’t have our US Constitution. Perhaps that’s part of the reason so many of them want to come here.

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Anonymous wrote:None of that matters. People who get bullied in other countries don’t shoot up schools because they don’t have access to guns.

FYI, people in other countries don’t have our US Constitution. Perhaps that’s part of the reason so many of them want to come here.

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Anonymous wrote:None of that matters. People who get bullied in other countries don’t shoot up schools because they don’t have access to guns.

FYI, people in other countries don’t have our US Constitution. Perhaps that’s part of the reason so many of them want to come here.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sending my kid abroad too.

We took a posting overseas and one of the factors was seeing my poor kindergartener (at the time) do active shooter drills. Now we live in a country with no school shootings.

We are hoping to do this within a couple years too. I’ve lost hope that anything will ever change here.

So go and all of you stop derailing the thread. We don’t care about you.

Anonymous wrote:None of that matters. People who get bullied in other countries don’t shoot up schools because they don’t have access to guns.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sending my kid abroad too.

We took a posting overseas and one of the factors was seeing my poor kindergartener (at the time) do active shooter drills. Now we live in a country with no school shootings.

We are hoping to do this within a couple years too. I’ve lost hope that anything will ever change here.

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Anonymous wrote:What can I do TODAY to move the needle so that this does not happen again? Write someone? Who?!

Nobody here wants to do a single thing new to protect child safety at school unless it's a form of gun control law (that may never become law).

So, in the meantime, a sure way to prevent our kids from being shot at school is to not attend school. Can home school. If all kids were home schooled, there would be zero school shootings.

I'm sure you realize most women work, and therefore home schooling isn't really an option for them.

Between Roe being overturned and schools becoming untenable, I'm kind of feeling like this might be the whole point. Keep em barefoot, pregnant and at home.

I’m sure you realize it’s not only mothers who can homeschool. Stop being so sexist.

Interestingly, most statistics I can find don't mention the gender of the homeschooling teacher. Can you find a link that suggests a significant percentage of dads homeschooling while moms work? I cannot.