Anonymous
08/30/2021 11:52
Subject: Tell me what we can do about the guns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not like this is new to DC. Crime was much worst in past decades. The actual solution is something that is distasteful to most.
Impose limits on welfare because now no one has incentive to ever leave bc if they do they lose very generous benefits they can't get elsewhere. When you basically decide you are stuck in one place, you tend to ignore a lot of the bad that goes on around you. It sucks but it is easier to deal with because you can just cobble together a life and you feel like things are ok - not great but not horrible. If you leave you have to work harder and maybe it won't be as easy to cobble things together and you lose a little of what of you have built up. So yes, no one wants to live that way with violence but the alternative might be too much complaining and you up end the apple cart and things start to change away from your favor. When you think about it, how many families who children have been victims of shootings have moved away from their neighborhoods. Sadly there are times they interview families on the news who talk about multiple children or family members being shot but even then they continue to live in the same place, often with young kids with them.
"Last year, DC leaders took the bold step to make this jurisdiction the first in the country to entirely eliminate a harmful time limit that would have permanently cut 10,000 children from assistance. "
https://www.dcfpi.org/all/22-years-after-federal-changes-to-welfare-dc-stands-out-as-a-rare-success-for-families/
This seems like a really tortured argument to me. Violence is a problem because children get federal assistance, not because every idiot that wants a gun can get one? What???
“Every idiot that wants a gun can get one.”
Really? The multitude of federal and local laws and regulations governing firearms never prevent a single person from obtaining a firearm? Yeah, that’s probably not true. And there are numerous laws that make it unlawful for certain persons (felons, for example) to obtain or possess firearms. When those laws are enforced people with unlawful firearms don’t have them any more and they go to jail. There are other laws prohibiting criminal misuse of firearms. When those are enforced criminals go to jail.
As superficially satisfying as emotional hyperbole may be, it really does nothing to move the ball down the field toward reduced crime.
Anonymous
08/30/2021 11:47
Subject: Tell me what we can do about the guns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because some of the “rights” you think are being “eroded” may no be enumerated at all, but rather are the product of judicial construction.
What does this even mean? Do you realize that all common law is the product of “judicial construction?”
The Constitution and it’s plain terms are not common law.
Anonymous
08/30/2021 11:46
Subject: Tell me what we can do about the guns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:1/2 of country agrees with you OP. The other 1/2, hiding behind Constitution, not so much.
Regarding “hiding behind the Constitution,” there is a great scene in A Man for All Seasons, where Thomas More is challenged on his willingness to give even the devil the benefit of the law. When the man challenging him says he’d cut down every law in England to root out what he perceives as evil, More’s retort says it all:
“And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide[?]”
God help us all without the Constitution to shield us. Things are bad enough with it in place.
LOL it’s amazing how much some people smugly worship the constitution while your ACTUAL RIGHTS (I.e. not just your ability to buy something expensive and make some executive some money) are steadily being eroded.
Have you ever read the Constitution? Studied why it is structured the way it is and how and why it has been amended?
As a practicing attorney yes I would say so 😂🤣😂
Excellent. Which rights are being “eroded?”
Anonymous
08/30/2021 11:38
Subject: Tell me what we can do about the guns
Anonymous wrote:Because some of the “rights” you think are being “eroded” may no be enumerated at all, but rather are the product of judicial construction.
What does this even mean? Do you realize that all common law is the product of “judicial construction?”
Anonymous
08/30/2021 11:38
Subject: Tell me what we can do about the guns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:1/2 of country agrees with you OP. The other 1/2, hiding behind Constitution, not so much.
Regarding “hiding behind the Constitution,” there is a great scene in A Man for All Seasons, where Thomas More is challenged on his willingness to give even the devil the benefit of the law. When the man challenging him says he’d cut down every law in England to root out what he perceives as evil, More’s retort says it all:
“And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide[?]”
God help us all without the Constitution to shield us. Things are bad enough with it in place.
LOL it’s amazing how much some people smugly worship the constitution while your ACTUAL RIGHTS (I.e. not just your ability to buy something expensive and make some executive some money) are steadily being eroded.
Have you ever read the Constitution? Studied why it is structured the way it is and how and why it has been amended?
As a practicing attorney yes I would say so 😂🤣😂
Anonymous
08/30/2021 11:37
Subject: Tell me what we can do about the guns
Anonymous wrote:It's not like this is new to DC. Crime was much worst in past decades. The actual solution is something that is distasteful to most.
Impose limits on welfare because now no one has incentive to ever leave bc if they do they lose very generous benefits they can't get elsewhere. When you basically decide you are stuck in one place, you tend to ignore a lot of the bad that goes on around you. It sucks but it is easier to deal with because you can just cobble together a life and you feel like things are ok - not great but not horrible. If you leave you have to work harder and maybe it won't be as easy to cobble things together and you lose a little of what of you have built up. So yes, no one wants to live that way with violence but the alternative might be too much complaining and you up end the apple cart and things start to change away from your favor. When you think about it, how many families who children have been victims of shootings have moved away from their neighborhoods. Sadly there are times they interview families on the news who talk about multiple children or family members being shot but even then they continue to live in the same place, often with young kids with them.
"Last year, DC leaders took the bold step to make this jurisdiction the first in the country to entirely eliminate a harmful time limit that would have permanently cut 10,000 children from assistance. "
https://www.dcfpi.org/all/22-years-after-federal-changes-to-welfare-dc-stands-out-as-a-rare-success-for-families/
This seems like a really tortured argument to me. Violence is a problem because children get federal assistance, not because every idiot that wants a gun can get one? What???
Anonymous
08/30/2021 11:31
Subject: Tell me what we can do about the guns
Because some of the “rights” you think are being “eroded” may no be enumerated at all, but rather are the product of judicial construction.
Anonymous
08/30/2021 11:27
Subject: Tell me what we can do about the guns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:1/2 of country agrees with you OP. The other 1/2, hiding behind Constitution, not so much.
Regarding “hiding behind the Constitution,” there is a great scene in A Man for All Seasons, where Thomas More is challenged on his willingness to give even the devil the benefit of the law. When the man challenging him says he’d cut down every law in England to root out what he perceives as evil, More’s retort says it all:
“And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide[?]”
God help us all without the Constitution to shield us. Things are bad enough with it in place.
LOL it’s amazing how much some people smugly worship the constitution while your ACTUAL RIGHTS (I.e. not just your ability to buy something expensive and make some executive some money) are steadily being eroded.
Have you ever read the Constitution? Studied why it is structured the way it is and how and why it has been amended?
Anonymous
08/30/2021 11:00
Subject: Tell me what we can do about the guns
It's not like this is new to DC. Crime was much worst in past decades. The actual solution is something that is distasteful to most.
Impose limits on welfare because now no one has incentive to ever leave bc if they do they lose very generous benefits they can't get elsewhere. When you basically decide you are stuck in one place, you tend to ignore a lot of the bad that goes on around you. It sucks but it is easier to deal with because you can just cobble together a life and you feel like things are ok - not great but not horrible. If you leave you have to work harder and maybe it won't be as easy to cobble things together and you lose a little of what of you have built up. So yes, no one wants to live that way with violence but the alternative might be too much complaining and you up end the apple cart and things start to change away from your favor. When you think about it, how many families who children have been victims of shootings have moved away from their neighborhoods. Sadly there are times they interview families on the news who talk about multiple children or family members being shot but even then they continue to live in the same place, often with young kids with them.
"Last year, DC leaders took the bold step to make this jurisdiction the first in the country to entirely eliminate a harmful time limit that would have permanently cut 10,000 children from assistance. "
https://www.dcfpi.org/all/22-years-after-federal-changes-to-welfare-dc-stands-out-as-a-rare-success-for-families/
Impose limits on welfare because now no one has incentive to ever leave bc if they do they lose very generous benefits they can't get elsewhere. When you basically decide you are stuck in one place, you tend to ignore a lot of the bad that goes on around you. It sucks but it is easier to deal with because you can just cobble together a life and you feel like things are ok - not great but not horrible. If you leave you have to work harder and maybe it won't be as easy to cobble things together and you lose a little of what of you have built up. So yes, no one wants to live that way with violence but the alternative might be too much complaining and you up end the apple cart and things start to change away from your favor. When you think about it, how many families who children have been victims of shootings have moved away from their neighborhoods. Sadly there are times they interview families on the news who talk about multiple children or family members being shot but even then they continue to live in the same place, often with young kids with them.
"Last year, DC leaders took the bold step to make this jurisdiction the first in the country to entirely eliminate a harmful time limit that would have permanently cut 10,000 children from assistance. "
https://www.dcfpi.org/all/22-years-after-federal-changes-to-welfare-dc-stands-out-as-a-rare-success-for-families/
Anonymous
08/30/2021 10:58
Subject: Tell me what we can do about the guns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:1/2 of country agrees with you OP. The other 1/2, hiding behind Constitution, not so much.
Regarding “hiding behind the Constitution,” there is a great scene in A Man for All Seasons, where Thomas More is challenged on his willingness to give even the devil the benefit of the law. When the man challenging him says he’d cut down every law in England to root out what he perceives as evil, More’s retort says it all:
“And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide[?]”
God help us all without the Constitution to shield us. Things are bad enough with it in place.
LOL it’s amazing how much some people smugly worship the constitution while your ACTUAL RIGHTS (I.e. not just your ability to buy something expensive and make some executive some money) are steadily being eroded.
Anonymous
08/30/2021 10:32
Subject: Tell me what we can do about the guns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:1/2 of country agrees with you OP. The other 1/2, hiding behind Constitution, not so much.
You think that HALF of the country is pro-gun? Absolutely not.
Nor our they hiding behind the “constitution,” they are hiding behind a conservative Supreme Court with a ridiculously stupid interpretation of the constitution.
I don't think 1/2 and 1/2 is too far off, do you?
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/11/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/
Anonymous
08/30/2021 10:30
Subject: Tell me what we can do about the guns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:1/2 of country agrees with you OP. The other 1/2, hiding behind Constitution, not so much.
You think that HALF of the country is pro-gun? Absolutely not.
Nor our they hiding behind the “constitution,” they are hiding behind a conservative Supreme Court with a ridiculously stupid interpretation of the constitution.
that's your emotion responding. court wasn't always conservative. the gun problem goes far beyond current court.
Anonymous
08/30/2021 10:27
Subject: Tell me what we can do about the guns
Anonymous wrote:1/2 of country agrees with you OP. The other 1/2, hiding behind Constitution, not so much.
Regarding “hiding behind the Constitution,” there is a great scene in A Man for All Seasons, where Thomas More is challenged on his willingness to give even the devil the benefit of the law. When the man challenging him says he’d cut down every law in England to root out what he perceives as evil, More’s retort says it all:
“And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide[?]”
God help us all without the Constitution to shield us. Things are bad enough with it in place.
Anonymous
08/30/2021 10:25
Subject: Tell me what we can do about the guns
Anonymous wrote:1/2 of country agrees with you OP. The other 1/2, hiding behind Constitution, not so much.
You think that HALF of the country is pro-gun? Absolutely not.
Nor our they hiding behind the “constitution,” they are hiding behind a conservative Supreme Court with a ridiculously stupid interpretation of the constitution.
Anonymous
08/30/2021 10:09
Subject: Tell me what we can do about the guns
Anonymous wrote:So the people pretending they are a vigilante cowboy in their suburban tract houses or that Americans are just worse than other nationalities are advancing a really extreme argument that I think the average DCUM poster finds stupid.
However, the amount of brigading in this thread makes something else obvious- extremists are the only ones who really care about this. The rest of us are sitting around twiddling our thumbs while the extremists are willing to do what they need to do.
