Anonymous
08/12/2021 11:12
Subject: Spirit Coach
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/08/11/richie-burke-nwsl-spirit-verbal-abuse/
Kudos to the youth players who first spoke out, and I hope they feel vindicated now.
Yup, this behavior was discussed on these forums before the hire and the accusations were ignored and never investigated.
EXACTLY - I believe you all called the accusers "Karens"
Anonymous
08/12/2021 11:09
Subject: Re:Spirit Coach
RB has a long very published very public history of abusing players at FCV and their associated teams. Just a quick search and you can find many a parent detailing his outbursts with youth teams. I believe there was a petition going around to oust him a few years ago.
Anonymous
08/12/2021 10:54
Subject: Spirit Coach
Anonymous wrote:Anyone can accuse anyone of anything.
Sometimes the accusations are true. Sometimes they’re false. Sometimes they’re half truths. Sometimes they are motivated by spite. Sometimes by good intentions. Sometimes they’re a misrepresentation. Sometimes a misinterpretation.
Grow up a wee bit and let the process play itself out
Indeed. But when there are multiple (witnessed) accusations that start to follow you through your career, it becomes harder to argue that they're false.
Anonymous
08/12/2021 10:47
Subject: Spirit Coach
The fact coaches have such a short span is maybe is a clue they are doing it wrong.
Top athletes have the upper hand - teams pay a lot of money for stars and will have limited tolerance for a coach who makes them ride the bench. The best relationships are built on (often grudging) mutual respect not fear, abuse or constant drama. Some US coaches saw the "lowlight" reel of bad behavior and think that is the whole ballgame - cycle perpetuates as then attracts aholes who want an excuse to act like that so they can feel good about themselves - and people now expect coach to show "passion" and "desire to win" with such behaviors and act as apologists for them.
People used to say Harvey Weinstein was a great director and his actions were all part of the package and the "cost of doing business" - and that people just didn't understand what it takes to be a top creative - turns out that just isn't true either.
Top athletes have the upper hand - teams pay a lot of money for stars and will have limited tolerance for a coach who makes them ride the bench. The best relationships are built on (often grudging) mutual respect not fear, abuse or constant drama. Some US coaches saw the "lowlight" reel of bad behavior and think that is the whole ballgame - cycle perpetuates as then attracts aholes who want an excuse to act like that so they can feel good about themselves - and people now expect coach to show "passion" and "desire to win" with such behaviors and act as apologists for them.
People used to say Harvey Weinstein was a great director and his actions were all part of the package and the "cost of doing business" - and that people just didn't understand what it takes to be a top creative - turns out that just isn't true either.
Anonymous
08/12/2021 10:44
Subject: Spirit Coach
Anyone can accuse anyone of anything.
Sometimes the accusations are true. Sometimes they’re false. Sometimes they’re half truths. Sometimes they are motivated by spite. Sometimes by good intentions. Sometimes they’re a misrepresentation. Sometimes a misinterpretation.
Grow up a wee bit and let the process play itself out
Sometimes the accusations are true. Sometimes they’re false. Sometimes they’re half truths. Sometimes they are motivated by spite. Sometimes by good intentions. Sometimes they’re a misrepresentation. Sometimes a misinterpretation.
Grow up a wee bit and let the process play itself out
Anonymous
08/12/2021 10:33
Subject: Re:Spirit Coach
Anonymous wrote:He used racial slurs. It’s like you are defending him and don’t think he should have been fired.
I totally agree if racial slurs are used there's no place for that. Lets take another angle here If Lionel Messi uses a racial slur is his contract voided and never allowed to sign another? What are your feelings there and how much would you protest that?
Anonymous
08/12/2021 10:30
Subject: Re:Spirit Coach
Anonymous wrote:He used racial slurs. It’s like you are defending him and don’t think he should have been fired.
What slurs did he say?
Anonymous
08/12/2021 10:28
Subject: Re:Spirit Coach
He used racial slurs. It’s like you are defending him and don’t think he should have been fired.
Anonymous
08/12/2021 10:23
Subject: Re:Spirit Coach
Anonymous wrote:What are you really arguing about? You support toxic racist people?
Not racist people..
There is no room for that anywhere. If you are telling your team they're playing like $h!t Thats ok. Now if you say horse $h!t now your offending horses? The point of a coach is to get the very best out of the team. Sports are an energy and psychology driven activity. It usually gets the player motivated to shake things up make them uncomfortable even offensive to piss them off enough to get the high level performance you want from an athlete. The work hard you're doing great doesn't work for most. Imagine telling MJ or Kobe Your doing great when you want more out of them. That works with office workers and non athletes. Its hard to explain if you have never been there. True the act wears thin quick but thats why coaches have a short span at each job. The need for a new voice to motivated the team when they become too complacent. Again this is unique to sports that the average worker won't understand. Remember the Spirit is an adult professional team that are paid to win. Its not a little girls recreation team playing for fun.
Anonymous
08/12/2021 10:06
Subject: Spirit Coach
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Minivans are cool with a wife and kids pulling into a soccer game compared to bald old single guy cruising his Porsche with spoiler into the Coastal Flats mall parking lot
I rather be the old guy with the Porsche.
I’m cool with the wife’s minivan. A hot woman over a hot car any day.
Why not both?
Easy Ritchie
Anonymous
08/12/2021 10:06
Subject: Re:Spirit Coach
Anonymous wrote:You don’t need to go to the Bobby Knight playbook to be an effective coach. And what happened to Bobby Knight? Oh, that’s right he was fired for being verbally and emotionally abusive.
Has Indiana been relevant in basketball since then?
Anonymous
08/12/2021 10:05
Subject: Spirit Coach
Tori Huster team captain and NWSL players union … care to comment ???
Anonymous
08/12/2021 10:05
Subject: Spirit Coach
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Minivans are cool with a wife and kids pulling into a soccer game compared to bald old single guy cruising his Porsche with spoiler into the Coastal Flats mall parking lot
I rather be the old guy with the Porsche.
I’m cool with the wife’s minivan. A hot woman over a hot car any day.
Why not both?
Anonymous
08/12/2021 09:58
Subject: Spirit Coach
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Minivans are cool with a wife and kids pulling into a soccer game compared to bald old single guy cruising his Porsche with spoiler into the Coastal Flats mall parking lot
I rather be the old guy with the Porsche.
I’m cool with the wife’s minivan. A hot woman over a hot car any day.
Anonymous
08/12/2021 09:57
Subject: Spirit Coach
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Simply put -- being an asshole is a firing offense. People on hear talking about how college or NFL coaches communicate with players have zero clue about real life.
The world of athletics works differently than "real life" . Just like The military works different. If you have never been a high level athlete you just wouldn't understand. Im sure we won't be able to agree on this and thats ok. Just understand competitive athletes are wired different than "real life" An over abundance of testosterone from both male and female athletes as well as a field full of type A personalities. It actually turns out to be "real life". Its not for everyone. The problem is everyone wants to be a part of it but actually wants it conformed to their standards. Its just the way this culture is becoming softer.
This is flat-out bullsht. I was athlete at very highest level - coaches don't have tantrums at that level - top athletes already hold themselves to higher standards and are more critical of themselves than any outsider could ever be. Top coaches play the longer game with a nudge or readjustment. They know the difference between success and failure is tiny and won't risk messing it up with gross unfocused interventions. Looks less flashy than tipping over the Gatorade jug or throwing their cap on floor - but "real life" it turns out isn't like the movies... it is almost like DMV kiddie soccer coaches have never experienced the top level (college D1 programs and 2nd or 3rd tier pro-leagues are not it!) and are just following a script that they should let their asshole flag fly free to "toughen them up".
It's particularly sad when you see the life-defeated dads on sidelines of kiddie soccer buying into this "what it takes to be a winner" nonsense and projecting their "almost made it" baggage - and then they drive home in the 6 year old minivan to their crappy mediocre lives...
I call BS on you. I’ve been at the highest level of sports too. Plenty of coaches throw tantrums. GTFO.
Occasionally - sure. Fergie threw a boot at Beckham and wasn't adverse to the old hairdryer treatment out of public eye. You would NEVER see him act out like some of these baby-bully coaches do though - man-management was way too important. It certainly wouldn't work as the default - totally loses impact if not unexpected - acting like that consistently shows a lack of control that professionals can't afford. Caveat: I don't have any insight into US professional leagues (NFL, NBA etc) - the rosters are much bigger there - possible coaches have to be more drama queens if no time to focus on anyone but top individual performers.