Anonymous
Post 08/31/2021 14:28     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:Coalition for TJ filed a new Motion for Preliminary Injunction yesterday to prevent FCPS from using the same process for class of 2026 that they used for 2025. Scheduled to be argued before applications are due.


I want to see if the Board uses the Curie-gate scandal as a defense to scrapping the test.
Anonymous
Post 08/31/2021 14:11     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit
Coalition for TJ filed a new Motion for Preliminary Injunction yesterday to prevent FCPS from using the same process for class of 2026 that they used for 2025. Scheduled to be argued before applications are due.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2021 11:36     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
You can’t believe it because it isn’t true. I grew up in rural Va in the 1970s and 80s and slavery was absolutely taught as the main cause of the Civil War.


Curious how it was approached. Did they teach it as Virginia was wrong? That is how it is generally taught in the north. I grew up in a border state so it was a little more nuanced, with discussions of split families. Across Five Aprils was required reading on par with Uncle Tom's Cabin.


You do learn about the South's reliance on slaves due to the cotton boom. You do go through the various compromises to limit the spread of slavery and that the election of 1860 with Abe Lincoln was what the South feared was the end of slavery because they could not out vote the Northern states due to population differences and thus Federalism was a huge concern. You do learn that Lee was a great general given how badly he was outnumbered and that Grant was a drunk. You are also introduced to the "scorched earth" tacits of Sherman in his March to the Sea. You are also told Lincoln freed the slaves. Pretty standard, but incorrect in the finer points. Lincoln only sought to prevent the spread of slavery and was not going to try and outlaw slavery in the South. He only freed the slaves in the Southern rebellion states in 1863 in the Emancipation Proclamation. Slavery was still legal in the Northern states that had not yet outlawed it. Slavery was not abolished in the U.S. until after his death with the passage of the 13th Amendment.

You don’t learn that there were actually 3 Emancipation Proclamations prior to the one that we all know about. And that the government backed out before the slaves could be freed.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2021 09:36     Subject: student admissions and TJ lawsuit
Went to northern Virginia private Catholic in the 80s and was definitely taught states’ rights was the true cause of the Civil War.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2021 07:49     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
You can’t believe it because it isn’t true. I grew up in rural Va in the 1970s and 80s and slavery was absolutely taught as the main cause of the Civil War.


Curious how it was approached. Did they teach it as Virginia was wrong? That is how it is generally taught in the north. I grew up in a border state so it was a little more nuanced, with discussions of split families. Across Five Aprils was required reading on par with Uncle Tom's Cabin.


You do learn about the South's reliance on slaves due to the cotton boom. You do go through the various compromises to limit the spread of slavery and that the election of 1860 with Abe Lincoln was what the South feared was the end of slavery because they could not out vote the Northern states due to population differences and thus Federalism was a huge concern. You do learn that Lee was a great general given how badly he was outnumbered and that Grant was a drunk. You are also introduced to the "scorched earth" tacits of Sherman in his March to the Sea. You are also told Lincoln freed the slaves. Pretty standard, but incorrect in the finer points. Lincoln only sought to prevent the spread of slavery and was not going to try and outlaw slavery in the South. He only freed the slaves in the Southern rebellion states in 1863 in the Emancipation Proclamation. Slavery was still legal in the Northern states that had not yet outlawed it. Slavery was not abolished in the U.S. until after his death with the passage of the 13th Amendment.


I went to FCPS in the 70s and 80s and my APUSH teacher definitely stated the civil war was about states' rights not slavery. This is what they were selling back then.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2021 19:42     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit
Wow... It's amazing that the discussion becomes somewhat civilized when people talk about both sides of an issue. Perhaps teachers and school boards could learn something from this. Maybe even DCUM posters could learn from this. Perhaps people might realize that immediately accusing opponents of racism is not a particularly effective method of winning arguments.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2021 15:35     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
You can’t believe it because it isn’t true. I grew up in rural Va in the 1970s and 80s and slavery was absolutely taught as the main cause of the Civil War.


Curious how it was approached. Did they teach it as Virginia was wrong? That is how it is generally taught in the north. I grew up in a border state so it was a little more nuanced, with discussions of split families. Across Five Aprils was required reading on par with Uncle Tom's Cabin.


You do learn about the South's reliance on slaves due to the cotton boom. You do go through the various compromises to limit the spread of slavery and that the election of 1860 with Abe Lincoln was what the South feared was the end of slavery because they could not out vote the Northern states due to population differences and thus Federalism was a huge concern. You do learn that Lee was a great general given how badly he was outnumbered and that Grant was a drunk. You are also introduced to the "scorched earth" tacits of Sherman in his March to the Sea. You are also told Lincoln freed the slaves. Pretty standard, but incorrect in the finer points. Lincoln only sought to prevent the spread of slavery and was not going to try and outlaw slavery in the South. He only freed the slaves in the Southern rebellion states in 1863 in the Emancipation Proclamation. Slavery was still legal in the Northern states that had not yet outlawed it. Slavery was not abolished in the U.S. until after his death with the passage of the 13th Amendment.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2021 15:13     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: I was also taught that General Grant was a drunk and bad military leader. Robert E. Lee and his military prowess was borderline worshipped.


This was the case in the north as well. Grant won because of overwhelming numbers is taught in many places. Rare is the school that goes in depth into his military leadership. We were taught more about McClellan and his cowardice and Grant was somewhat of an afterthought, except for his generosity at Appamattox.


this year in fourth grade history, they were discussing the civil war and were asked to describe Lee on a quiz. My DD said traitor, definitely a proud moment.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2021 15:10     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit
Anonymous wrote: I was also taught that General Grant was a drunk and bad military leader. Robert E. Lee and his military prowess was borderline worshipped.


This was the case in the north as well. Grant won because of overwhelming numbers is taught in many places. Rare is the school that goes in depth into his military leadership. We were taught more about McClellan and his cowardice and Grant was somewhat of an afterthought, except for his generosity at Appamattox.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2021 14:27     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit
I grew up in Richmond. I was taught the Civil War was about "states rights" and honestly, the language on the VA history SOL given in elementary school even now is still a little squishy. We also watched "Gone With the Wind" in middle school as a schoolwide activity in the auditorium. This was late 70s/early 80s. My school was integrated - about 50% white/50% black. I was also taught that General Grant was a drunk and bad military leader. Robert E. Lee and his military prowess was borderline worshipped.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2021 14:12     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

When I was a kid in VA they used to say nonsense like the civil war was about state rights. I hope they're more honest with kids today about this stuff.


Thank you for demonstrating exactly how posters on DCUM lack critical thinking skills. The only appropriate response to ideas that aren't popular or of which I disagree is censorship! Indoctrination must be replaced by indoctrination by the other side!


DP. Where did pp ask for censorship? PP asked for more honesty.


By getting rid of the "lies."
When I was growing up in WI, both sides were presented and discussed. I can't believe in VA slavery wasn't presented as at least one cause of the war.


You can’t believe it because it isn’t true. I grew up in rural Va in the 1970s and 80s and slavery was absolutely taught as the main cause of the Civil War.


lost cause text books were a thing. Sure slavery was bad, but the founders all wanted to end it, they were just trapped with it because there was no alternative... The higher level ones even pointed out that it was ended and probably would have ended, but British textile mills had an insatiable appetite for cotton, so what could the planation owners really do?
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2021 14:06     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
You can’t believe it because it isn’t true. I grew up in rural Va in the 1970s and 80s and slavery was absolutely taught as the main cause of the Civil War.


Curious how it was approached. Did they teach it as Virginia was wrong? That is how it is generally taught in the north. I grew up in a border state so it was a little more nuanced, with discussions of split families. Across Five Aprils was required reading on par with Uncle Tom's Cabin.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2021 13:15     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

When I was a kid in VA they used to say nonsense like the civil war was about state rights. I hope they're more honest with kids today about this stuff.


Thank you for demonstrating exactly how posters on DCUM lack critical thinking skills. The only appropriate response to ideas that aren't popular or of which I disagree is censorship! Indoctrination must be replaced by indoctrination by the other side!


DP. Where did pp ask for censorship? PP asked for more honesty.


By getting rid of the "lies."
When I was growing up in WI, both sides were presented and discussed. I can't believe in VA slavery wasn't presented as at least one cause of the war.


You can’t believe it because it isn’t true. I grew up in rural Va in the 1970s and 80s and slavery was absolutely taught as the main cause of the Civil War.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2021 11:06     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have 2 kids in Fairfax County. No one is being indoctrinated. Teachers are professionals teaching their subjects and teaching kids to be critical thinkers. Why are people so afraid of hearing multiple points of view and perspectives? The human experience is wide and varied.


Critical thinking and conservatism do not mix


Proof of indoctrination.

It's not indoctrination if it matches my own world view to the exclusiin of any other.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2021 18:05     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

When I was a kid in VA they used to say nonsense like the civil war was about state rights. I hope they're more honest with kids today about this stuff.


Thank you for demonstrating exactly how posters on DCUM lack critical thinking skills. The only appropriate response to ideas that aren't popular or of which I disagree is censorship! Indoctrination must be replaced by indoctrination by the other side!


DP. Where did pp ask for censorship? PP asked for more honesty.


By getting rid of the "lies."
When I was growing up in WI, both sides were presented and discussed. I can't believe in VA slavery wasn't presented as at least one cause of the war.