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Anonymous wrote:Having small kids and taking care of them is the most isolating and tiring experience even when there is no pandemic.

People need to also understand that having more than 1 or 2 kids is not easy. No one owes the raising of your kids to you. The parents have to raise them. If they are lucky they will have paid or unpaid caregivers at various times but it is not a guarantee.

If you cannot do it on your own and do it well then don't have kids.

Oh shut up.

This poster isn’t wrong though…when the going gets tough, raising kids is entirely on the parents.

Yeah. I'm amused at all the parents who deliberately had kids back-to-back every 2 years or less and then ended up with 3-5 kids who outnumbered them.

The only 'plan' you had was for society to raise and care for your kid 80% of the time.

No wonder you were overwhelmed.

+100

I watched SAHMs with 3+ kids pull their hair out and wondered - what was your plan? You would only see them a few hours a day because they would be in daycare/school?

Some women I know got pregnant during the pandemic and look depressed now. But why do they keep making bad choices?

This is my friend who is complaining non-stop about her newborn, no sleep, high costs for diapers/essentials, and how hard it is. Well...yeah, I mean that's what you signed up for.

Ugh go back to the “childfree” forum on Reddit with your juvenile rants. Btw those kids and others will be taking care of you in your old age someday.

Why would a stranger's child be taking care of me?

I'm not the PP, but I see the said all the time re: childfree people.

I have three childfree aunt & uncle combos total from both sides on my family. Some by choice, others by circumstance. Anyway, the youngest pair is in their mid-70s and they have no random family taking care of them nor the need. They're still very much active and until the pandemic hit, avid travelers. The oldest couple is in their 80s and again, they are not a burden on any of us family members. They live in a community for the 65+ set and love it. Everything they need is right in their planned community and requires nothing more than a golfcart ride to get to.

Anonymous wrote:Lost the greatness President ever

You can tell you're a true follower because "speak" like him.

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Anonymous wrote:Having small kids and taking care of them is the most isolating and tiring experience even when there is no pandemic.

People need to also understand that having more than 1 or 2 kids is not easy. No one owes the raising of your kids to you. The parents have to raise them. If they are lucky they will have paid or unpaid caregivers at various times but it is not a guarantee.

If you cannot do it on your own and do it well then don't have kids.

Oh shut up.

This poster isn’t wrong though…when the going gets tough, raising kids is entirely on the parents.

Yeah. I'm amused at all the parents who deliberately had kids back-to-back every 2 years or less and then ended up with 3-5 kids who outnumbered them.

The only 'plan' you had was for society to raise and care for your kid 80% of the time.

No wonder you were overwhelmed.

+100

I watched SAHMs with 3+ kids pull their hair out and wondered - what was your plan? You would only see them a few hours a day because they would be in daycare/school?

Some women I know got pregnant during the pandemic and look depressed now. But why do they keep making bad choices?

This is my friend who is complaining non-stop about her newborn, no sleep, high costs for diapers/essentials, and how hard it is. Well...yeah, I mean that's what you signed up for.

Ugh go back to the “childfree” forum on Reddit with your juvenile rants. Btw those kids and others will be taking care of you in your old age someday.

Awww, hope those flashbacks to your Covid horror life aren't too distressing for you.

So you admit you’re a person without kids coming on a thread to complain about people who have kids. Bold move on DC Urban Moms and Dads.

Urban Moms

MOMS

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Anonymous wrote:Having small kids and taking care of them is the most isolating and tiring experience even when there is no pandemic.

People need to also understand that having more than 1 or 2 kids is not easy. No one owes the raising of your kids to you. The parents have to raise them. If they are lucky they will have paid or unpaid caregivers at various times but it is not a guarantee.

If you cannot do it on your own and do it well then don't have kids.

Oh shut up.

This poster isn’t wrong though…when the going gets tough, raising kids is entirely on the parents.

Yeah. I'm amused at all the parents who deliberately had kids back-to-back every 2 years or less and then ended up with 3-5 kids who outnumbered them.

The only 'plan' you had was for society to raise and care for your kid 80% of the time.

No wonder you were overwhelmed.

+100

I watched SAHMs with 3+ kids pull their hair out and wondered - what was your plan? You would only see them a few hours a day because they would be in daycare/school?

Some women I know got pregnant during the pandemic and look depressed now. But why do they keep making bad choices?

I'm not a SAHM and my kids aren't little anymore. However, when they were little, my plan involved many activities, including taking the kids to the park, visiting with friends and grandparents, going to zoos, libraries and museums. I loved getting the kids out to do things and see things. These things were taken away, completely at the beginning although less so as pandemic progressed. No one planned to be in an apartment or house without other outlets for months on end.

+1 I’m not a SAHM but was for 3 years when my kids were small (baby #2 ended up being twins..stayed home for 3yrs after that). What was I supposed to do, give one of the twins up for adoption? Good grief. Life happens. I can’t imagine how depressing and isolating it would be to care for little ones with no social outlet. No playgrounds, activities, sitters, socialization etc etc. no grandparents or extended family. Just sitting at home 24/7 for months on end. My heart goes out to those who were stuck at home with little ones. Big kids have their own issues but we did a lot outdoors, watched movies, played board games, enjoyed hobbies etc. just not the same thing at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Having small kids and taking care of them is the most isolating and tiring experience even when there is no pandemic.

People need to also understand that having more than 1 or 2 kids is not easy. No one owes the raising of your kids to you. The parents have to raise them. If they are lucky they will have paid or unpaid caregivers at various times but it is not a guarantee.

If you cannot do it on your own and do it well then don't have kids.

Oh shut up.

This poster isn’t wrong though…when the going gets tough, raising kids is entirely on the parents.

Yeah. I'm amused at all the parents who deliberately had kids back-to-back every 2 years or less and then ended up with 3-5 kids who outnumbered them.

The only 'plan' you had was for society to raise and care for your kid 80% of the time.

No wonder you were overwhelmed.

+100

I watched SAHMs with 3+ kids pull their hair out and wondered - what was your plan? You would only see them a few hours a day because they would be in daycare/school?

Some women I know got pregnant during the pandemic and look depressed now. But why do they keep making bad choices?

This is my friend who is complaining non-stop about her newborn, no sleep, high costs for diapers/essentials, and how hard it is. Well...yeah, I mean that's what you signed up for.

Ugh go back to the “childfree” forum on Reddit with your juvenile rants. Btw those kids and others will be taking care of you in your old age someday.

Awww, hope those flashbacks to your Covid horror life aren't too distressing for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Having small kids and taking care of them is the most isolating and tiring experience even when there is no pandemic.

People need to also understand that having more than 1 or 2 kids is not easy. No one owes the raising of your kids to you. The parents have to raise them. If they are lucky they will have paid or unpaid caregivers at various times but it is not a guarantee.

If you cannot do it on your own and do it well then don't have kids.

Oh shut up.

This poster isn’t wrong though…when the going gets tough, raising kids is entirely on the parents.

Yeah. I'm amused at all the parents who deliberately had kids back-to-back every 2 years or less and then ended up with 3-5 kids who outnumbered them.

The only 'plan' you had was for society to raise and care for your kid 80% of the time.

No wonder you were overwhelmed.

+100

I watched SAHMs with 3+ kids pull their hair out and wondered - what was your plan? You would only see them a few hours a day because they would be in daycare/school?

Some women I know got pregnant during the pandemic and look depressed now. But why do they keep making bad choices?

This is my friend who is complaining non-stop about her newborn, no sleep, high costs for diapers/essentials, and how hard it is. Well...yeah, I mean that's what you signed up for.

Ugh go back to the “childfree” forum on Reddit with your juvenile rants. Btw those kids and others will be taking care of you in your old age someday.

It opened my eyes to next-level human selfishness, cruelty and suffering...and the fragility of our systems. Logically, I always knew there were a lot of selfish, racist, power hungry a@$holes in the world...but the pandemic opened my eyes to this in a way I never before understood.

It drained whatever enthusiasm for travel and goal setting I had left. I have fleeting, distorted thoughts that my children can just live with us forever. Not planning on actually acting on those thoughts...but it just reveals pandemic trauma is real.

Anonymous wrote:Lost the greatness President ever

Obama is alive, kicking, and beautifully mentoring the next generation.

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Anonymous wrote:Having small kids and taking care of them is the most isolating and tiring experience even when there is no pandemic.

People need to also understand that having more than 1 or 2 kids is not easy. No one owes the raising of your kids to you. The parents have to raise them. If they are lucky they will have paid or unpaid caregivers at various times but it is not a guarantee.

If you cannot do it on your own and do it well then don't have kids.

Oh shut up.

This poster isn’t wrong though…when the going gets tough, raising kids is entirely on the parents.

Yeah. I'm amused at all the parents who deliberately had kids back-to-back every 2 years or less and then ended up with 3-5 kids who outnumbered them.

The only 'plan' you had was for society to raise and care for your kid 80% of the time.

No wonder you were overwhelmed.

+100

I watched SAHMs with 3+ kids pull their hair out and wondered - what was your plan? You would only see them a few hours a day because they would be in daycare/school?

Some women I know got pregnant during the pandemic and look depressed now. But why do they keep making bad choices?

This is my friend who is complaining non-stop about her newborn, no sleep, high costs for diapers/essentials, and how hard it is. Well...yeah, I mean that's what you signed up for.

Lost the greatness President ever

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Anonymous wrote:Having small kids and taking care of them is the most isolating and tiring experience even when there is no pandemic.

People need to also understand that having more than 1 or 2 kids is not easy. No one owes the raising of your kids to you. The parents have to raise them. If they are lucky they will have paid or unpaid caregivers at various times but it is not a guarantee.

If you cannot do it on your own and do it well then don't have kids.

Oh shut up.

This poster isn’t wrong though…when the going gets tough, raising kids is entirely on the parents.

Yeah. I'm amused at all the parents who deliberately had kids back-to-back every 2 years or less and then ended up with 3-5 kids who outnumbered them.

The only 'plan' you had was for society to raise and care for your kid 80% of the time.

No wonder you were overwhelmed.

+100

I watched SAHMs with 3+ kids pull their hair out and wondered - what was your plan? You would only see them a few hours a day because they would be in daycare/school?

Some women I know got pregnant during the pandemic and look depressed now. But why do they keep making bad choices?

I'm not a SAHM and my kids aren't little anymore. However, when they were little, my plan involved many activities, including taking the kids to the park, visiting with friends and grandparents, going to zoos, libraries and museums. I loved getting the kids out to do things and see things. These things were taken away, completely at the beginning although less so as pandemic progressed. No one planned to be in an apartment or house without other outlets for months on end.

Anonymous wrote:It made me realize how invisible I am--no one really cares about me.

I suspect there are many that feel this way as people around them retreated. Isolation is very lonely.

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Anonymous wrote:Having small kids and taking care of them is the most isolating and tiring experience even when there is no pandemic.

People need to also understand that having more than 1 or 2 kids is not easy. No one owes the raising of your kids to you. The parents have to raise them. If they are lucky they will have paid or unpaid caregivers at various times but it is not a guarantee.

If you cannot do it on your own and do it well then don't have kids.

Oh shut up.

This poster isn’t wrong though…when the going gets tough, raising kids is entirely on the parents.

Yeah. I'm amused at all the parents who deliberately had kids back-to-back every 2 years or less and then ended up with 3-5 kids who outnumbered them.

The only 'plan' you had was for society to raise and care for your kid 80% of the time.

No wonder you were overwhelmed.

+100

I watched SAHMs with 3+ kids pull their hair out and wondered - what was your plan? You would only see them a few hours a day because they would be in daycare/school?

Some women I know got pregnant during the pandemic and look depressed now. But why do they keep making bad choices?

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Anonymous wrote:Having small kids and taking care of them is the most isolating and tiring experience even when there is no pandemic.

People need to also understand that having more than 1 or 2 kids is not easy. No one owes the raising of your kids to you. The parents have to raise them. If they are lucky they will have paid or unpaid caregivers at various times but it is not a guarantee.

If you cannot do it on your own and do it well then don't have kids.

Oh shut up.

This poster isn’t wrong though…when the going gets tough, raising kids is entirely on the parents.

Absolutely. But do you understand how many people had to work in person over pandemic that had no childcare resources? Our children are absolutely our responsibility…but no one has 11 back up plans for plague. It’s so dismissive.

Yes, it's a pat answer that really has no connection to reality. So the nurse/ essential worker you need more than ever to be working has no child care -- but that just means she shouldn't have had kids? What about the guy bringing you your groceries so you can bunker down with your family--should he have created a pandemic-proof backup childcare system 8 years ago in anticipation of potential world pandemic? We structure society in ways that maximize public wellbeing that involve interdependence. In all sorts of ways - hardly just childcare. It is just idiot magical thinking to say everyone can/should immediately be able to cope and flourish without these structures.

Thank you.

Whatever. Do I feel bad for the truly low-income essential families who were crushed by this? Absolutely.

Do I feel bad for the Pulomonologist married to the research scientist with the $400K dual-income who had to suddenly pay for private childcare during the year? Not a chance.

Lots of high income and high net worth individuals in this region had to shift their finances from $5,000/trip vacations to paying nannies through the nose. And I do not care.

But how did this do something to you?

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Anonymous wrote:Having small kids and taking care of them is the most isolating and tiring experience even when there is no pandemic.

People need to also understand that having more than 1 or 2 kids is not easy. No one owes the raising of your kids to you. The parents have to raise them. If they are lucky they will have paid or unpaid caregivers at various times but it is not a guarantee.

If you cannot do it on your own and do it well then don't have kids.

Oh shut up.

This poster isn’t wrong though…when the going gets tough, raising kids is entirely on the parents.

Absolutely. But do you understand how many people had to work in person over pandemic that had no childcare resources? Our children are absolutely our responsibility…but no one has 11 back up plans for plague. It’s so dismissive.

Yes, it's a pat answer that really has no connection to reality. So the nurse/ essential worker you need more than ever to be working has no child care -- but that just means she shouldn't have had kids? What about the guy bringing you your groceries so you can bunker down with your family--should he have created a pandemic-proof backup childcare system 8 years ago in anticipation of potential world pandemic? We structure society in ways that maximize public wellbeing that involve interdependence. In all sorts of ways - hardly just childcare. It is just idiot magical thinking to say everyone can/should immediately be able to cope and flourish without these structures.

Thank you.

Whatever. Do I feel bad for the truly low-income essential families who were crushed by this? Absolutely.

Do I feel bad for the Pulomonologist married to the research scientist with the $400K dual-income who had to suddenly pay for private childcare during the year? Not a chance.

Lots of high income and high net worth individuals in this region had to shift their finances from $5,000/trip vacations to paying nannies through the nose. And I do not care.

What about all the people in the middle? Any concern about them? What about people who left the workforce to care for their children?