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Anonymous wrote:What's more effective against Delta- one Pfizer or J&J? I read that one Pfizer is 94% against hospitalization.

2 Pfizer like any sane person would get

That's not the question. One Pfizer is 94% effective, 2 is 96%.
And this is for someone who had an allergic reaction. Prob not worth dying for a 2% increase.

If you had an allergic reaction, you shouldn't be asking for advice here.

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Anonymous wrote:What's more effective against Delta- one Pfizer or J&J? I read that one Pfizer is 94% against hospitalization.

2 Pfizer like any sane person would get

If you're double masking still you're far from sane

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Anonymous wrote:What's more effective against Delta- one Pfizer or J&J? I read that one Pfizer is 94% against hospitalization.

2 Pfizer like any sane person would get

That's not the question. One Pfizer is 94% effective, 2 is 96%.
And this is for someone who had an allergic reaction. Prob not worth dying for a 2% increase.

Anonymous wrote:What's more effective against Delta- one Pfizer or J&J? I read that one Pfizer is 94% against hospitalization.

2 Pfizer like any sane person would get

I've never not used a KN95. But we'll see how much it helps without the mandates. There's not much ventilation in some indoor spaces.

What's more effective against Delta- one Pfizer or J&J? I read that one Pfizer is 94% against hospitalization.

AZ and J and J are less effective against the delta variant:

Dr. Scott Gottlieb, the former head of the Food and Drug Administration, said recently on CBS News’s “Face the Nation” that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is “60% effective” against the Delta strain.

“The mRNA vaccine seems to be highly effective, two doses of that vaccine against this variant,” Gottlieb said, referring to the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines. “The viral vector vaccines from J&J and AstraZeneca also appear to be effective, about 60% effective. The mRNA vaccines are about 88% effective.”

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/06/delta-covid-variant-does-johnson-johnson-vaccine-work-against-the-new-coronavirus-strain.html

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Anonymous wrote:So many people who really want this to get worse and not better. Some people thrive on doom and gloom I guess.

Right? I wonder what the endpoint is for these people if it isn’t effective vaccination that prevents serious illness and hospitalization. You’re really going to hide forever from a cold?

Before you start mocking people maybe look at the new data. For the other variants yes -- it prevented serious illness and hospitalization. For Delta it's different. If it doesn't break thru the vax you're fine. If it breaks thru you are at just as much risk for serious illness/hospital as if you weren't vaccinated. Look at the latest UK data.

So yeah you should want to NOT be exposed to this one.

Source?

Look it up - I'm not your junior associate. Hint - do searches for UK hospitalizations and see what comes up from the last few days.

Right. Why should anyone believe you if you aren’t going to link your sources?

Because she's lying.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-06-18/delta-variant-makes-up-nearly-all-new-uk-coronavirus-cases

How am I lying - YOUR article is the one that says that hospitalizations in the UK have doubled in the last week and 10% of the hospitalized are fully vaccinated with 2 shots? But NBD huh??

My article is in FT: https://www.ft.com/content/d4abbe5e-8650-4a76-9fea-2d3efa2ed52b?sharetype=blocked

This is behind a paywall.

NP Key sentences from FT story, which is mostly about the delta variant in Europe and was posted 21 hours ago:

"Scientists across the continent are now looking to the UK — where Covid-19 cases have tripled in the past month and the Delta variant accounts for about 98 per cent of all new infections — for clues about what may happen next and which measures may need to be taken."


"After official data showed the Delta variant appeared to increase the risk of hospitalisation by 2.2 times compared with the Alpha variant, the UK government this week imposed a one month delay to the removal of its remaining coronavirus restrictions."


"According to data gathered by Public Health England, the first dose of a Covid-19 vaccine is generally less effective against the Delta variant than with the previous strains. Two doses increases protection against symptomatic infection with Delta from 33 per cent to 81 per cent."

Anonymous wrote:I wear my N95 inside places. Outside, still mostly unmasked.

I was wearing a multi layer cloth mask with filter before, but I’ve upgraded to KN95 indoors now, no mask outside unless the people in with prefer it. My vaccinations were completed in early February. The vaccine does not make you invincible…but it lessens the likelihood of a deadly case of covid. With new variants breaking through the vaccines, I’d rather err on the side of caution. As my employment requires close contact without the ability to distance it’s valuable to me to be more careful at work than I might be in other situations.

Anonymous wrote:27.5 million people have been fully vaccinated in the Uk. 84 are hospitalized with COVID. Do the math(s).

This. I don’t understand why people are fear-mongering.

27.5 million people have been fully vaccinated in the Uk. 84 are hospitalized with COVID. Do the math(s).

The UK used Astra Zeneca which was not as effective as any of the three vaccines approved here on the original strain. And yet the UK is doing rather well.

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Right. Why should anyone believe you if you aren’t going to link your sources?

Every time I link to NHS data that shows UK HOSPITALIZATION IS NOT INCREASING, which is both true and relevant, someone intellectually dishonest deletes it.

Looks like USNews is lying then. From the article above: As of June 14, PHE reports a total of 806 people in the hospital with the variant, an increase of 423 since last week.

PHE = Public Health England - one of their gov't health agencies.

Is anyone worried about the higher death rate for Delta for vaccinated vs unvaxxed? Perhaps older people are vaccinated?

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Right. Why should anyone believe you if you aren’t going to link your sources?

Every time I link to NHS data that shows UK HOSPITALIZATION IS NOT INCREASING, which is both true and relevant, someone intellectually dishonest deletes it.

Looks like USNews is lying then. From the article above: As of June 14, PHE reports a total of 806 people in the hospital with the variant, an increase of 423 since last week.

PHE = Public Health England - one of their gov't health agencies.

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Anonymous wrote:So many people who really want this to get worse and not better. Some people thrive on doom and gloom I guess.

Right? I wonder what the endpoint is for these people if it isn’t effective vaccination that prevents serious illness and hospitalization. You’re really going to hide forever from a cold?

Before you start mocking people maybe look at the new data. For the other variants yes -- it prevented serious illness and hospitalization. For Delta it's different. If it doesn't break thru the vax you're fine. If it breaks thru you are at just as much risk for serious illness/hospital as if you weren't vaccinated. Look at the latest UK data.

So yeah you should want to NOT be exposed to this one.

Source?

Look it up - I'm not your junior associate. Hint - do searches for UK hospitalizations and see what comes up from the last few days.

Right. Why should anyone believe you if you aren’t going to link your sources?

Because she's lying.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-06-18/delta-variant-makes-up-nearly-all-new-uk-coronavirus-cases

How am I lying - YOUR article is the one that says that hospitalizations in the UK have doubled in the last week and 10% of the hospitalized are fully vaccinated with 2 shots? But NBD huh??

My article is in FT: https://www.ft.com/content/d4abbe5e-8650-4a76-9fea-2d3efa2ed52b?sharetype=blocked

This is behind a paywall.