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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is in ATS in first grade. My second will be in their kindergarten class. We absolutely love it. Speaking of diversity, initially applied because our neighborhood school is all white (though it is such a wonderful school) and a friend suggested that this school would be a good fit for her since it was more diverse. Being not white ourselves, we felt like it would be good for her to go to a school where she didn’t feel different. We also wanted the flexibility of moving without having to have our kids switch schools. However we have come to love the school and appreciate it’s philosophy. First of all it is extremely diverse - with families from all over the world. Unlike our neighborhood school, it has a significant portion of its population that qualify for free and reduced lunch due to its VPE program (I’m assuming that drew is similar in that regard). What is unique about AT though, is the achievement gap is quite low. Everyone does well and it’s because of the resources the school puts into their students and also their teaching methods. Unlike many other Arlington schools for example, they stay away from Lucy Calkins. Their reading program is phonics based and ensures that kids learn how to read no matter what their socio-economic background is. I also love their focus on writing. My daughter was writing full sentences and paragraphs by the end of Kindergarten as were so many others in her class. Most of their work is done by hand and on paper so it really improves their fine motor skills. Yes there is homework which I was initially against but there is such a vast improvement in their writing and reading that I feel it is actually beneficial. I also love their focus on art and music. Don’t worry about it being “too much.” My daughter loves it and made lots of good friends. The teachers are warm and friendly and are a lot of fun. I remember my daughter telling me how funny her kindergarten teacher was. Apparently he would make them laugh a lot! And yes a lot of ATS parents want their kids to go to HB even though they are diametrically opposed philosophically. Many of us aren’t attached to a school philosophy - we just want a school that works and educates our kids. Option schools are generally more diverse because they pull from all over the county so I doubt people are sending their kids to ATS and HB to avoid diversity. Notice the critics of ATS here - the majority don’t have kids at ATS. I strongly believe that you should only talk about what you know. I know nothing about Drew. I’m sure like many Arlington schools it’s great (and I’m also assuming that because of its location, it is more diverse than our neighborhood school). But I can tell you that our experience with ATS has been great and we plan on sticking with it.

I'm not trying to criticize ATS here. But I can speak to people avoiding their neighborhood school. It absolutely happens and for different reasons. People in mostly white schools like the idea of diversity and/or the choice program philosophy. White people in the high FRL districts often avoid their high FRL school and might also be interested in the instructional program as a bonus. Some people just really want the choice program. And a lot of people just think ATS is the end all be all or their kid isn't getting the best education if they don't go there because ATS scores are typically the highest in the district.

the ATS to HBWoodlawn path is absolutely illogical from an instructional philosophy perspective. ATS is very structured and rigid. HBW is the exact opposite.

I do think some of the instructional approaches are better at ATS and the expectations are high for every student. However, historically, the principal has had too much influence on admissions and there hasn't been a lot of patience with students who don't fall in line or perform high enough or need too much in the way of special ed/accommodations. Hopefully that has changed in the last few years??

OP, I'm very confident your child will thrive and be happy in either school. She won't know the difference because whichever you send her to will be all she knows. I don't think it's worth all the angst to make a decision and if you would prefer a little less stress and anxiety and less pressure, Drew is for you. If you're hyper type-A typical Arlington helicopter micromanager parent who thinks nothing but the most elite will do for your child and their future success, go ahead and take the ATS slot.

“ If you're hyper type-A typical Arlington helicopter micromanager parent who thinks nothing but the most elite will do for your child and their future success, go ahead and take the ATS slot.”

Omg just came across this thread. What is wrong with ppl? Seriously ppl in Arlington need to grow up. Why so much hatred towards one school all from ppl who don’t have experience with that school. My daughter is in ATS. I am certainly not type A (though I sometimes wish I were lol). ATS like most Arlington schools has many different types of parents who sent their kids there for various reasons. I personally sent my daughter to ATS because of its diversity. We are middle eastern and I liked the fact that ATS has students from many different cultures - more so than any Arlington school. Yes some are diverse but ATS has a lot of cultural diversity. Also liked the idea that in case we decide to move (we live in a small townhouse) we wouldn’t have to worry about switching schools and wouldn’t feel the need to look into our tiny area or Arlington. ATS is a great school. It’s great academically and has a wonderful music and art program. There are many good schools in Arlington as well. It’s not a competition. OP I say talk to ppl with kids at ATS and kids at Drew. Ignore everyone else. You can also always try it for a year and see if you like it. If you don’t your neighborhood school will always be there. I ended up loving it and am planning to enroll my youngest there as well (she just got accepted into their kindergarten program). Also not sure why the hatred towards parents who send their kids to ATS and then HB Woodlawn. Like PP said, many of us aren’t married to a specific philosophy.

I'm the one who made the type-A comment. I didn't mean to imply that all ATS parents are like that. I was trying to suggest to OP that if they fall on that end of the scale, she might be happier with ATS than Drew. If she's not, then Drew would be fine.

While I don't harbor any hatred to ATS or HBW parents, I do object to parents taking slots at schools without being married to the instructional philosophy for their individual kid. Different instructional models are intended to accommodate different types of learners. Especially with HBW, the way admissions are done do not make any effort to match student need/learning style with the HB approach. I don't care about immersion or montessori for my family; but I would resent not getting in while others who are just so-so or indifferent about the instructional model, or who are just trying to avoid their neighborhood school, take the seats.

I’m the PP from the Middle East. This is the hilarious thing about some Americans that are born and raised here that us immigrants love to joke about. Ppl here seem to be married to certain philosophies for everything. Everyone has some parenting philosophy - attachment parenting, free range, positive parenting, authoritative... Same with education... there’s the Montessori crowd, the traditional crowd, play based, academic, the list goes on. Some of us just want a good school that teaches well. I don’t care how ATS does it. All I know is that is it one of the best elementary schools in Virginia and that’s good enough for me (and there are many great Arlington schools as well... I’m not dissing them either. We are lucky to live in such a good school district). On top of that it seems to work well for different types of kids. Now with HB Woodlawn yes. I would only enroll my middle schooler there if there are the type that is self motivated and don’t need structure. Also remember that middle schoolers and elementary schoolers are at different stages of childhood and something that works for one strange may not work for the other. That being said, I’m not sure why you even think you would know what’s best for another person’s child and what makes you think you can judge ppl for the reason they are sending their child to an option school? According to you there seems to be only one valid reason. Are you policing people’s choices and rationales now? Our neighbor sent her two boys to ATS and then HB Woodlawn. It worked out great for them and they seemed to love both schools. We live in a neighborhood that has some of the most highly regarded schools in Arlington so they weren’t trying to “escape” their neighborhood school.

Anonymous wrote:We're waitlisted in the 40's for the lottery. Does this mean that all the extra seats at the new ATS (formerly McKinley) have been spoken for and we're 40 after that? Historically, how many waitlisted seats does ATS usually accommodate by the start of each school year?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, send your child to ATS. If for some reason it's not a good fit, you can always send your child to Drew. You can switch at any time for any reason. The reverse is not true. You literally won the lottery. If you decline this spot and don't like Drew or it's not a good fit, you will not have this option again.

I agree the Drew principal is great. But ES lasts 6 years. There are no guarantees she will stay. ATS is built around a solid model and works independent of the principal.

I had kids at a local ES with a good reputation, and we never applied to ATS. But then we lost our good principal and got a horrible one. And it was terrible.

Agree with PPs that every APS school should be run like ATS. But they are not.

My kids can read well, but none can spell well or write well. These things were not emphasized at their neighborhood school. We moved to Catholic this year because of COVID and it's run much more like ATS. Focus on the basics. It's been very eye opening. I wish I had done this for my kids from the beginning.

Is this true? ATS had had the same principal for nearly 25 years.

Anonymous wrote:OP, send your child to ATS. If for some reason it's not a good fit, you can always send your child to Drew. You can switch at any time for any reason. The reverse is not true. You literally won the lottery. If you decline this spot and don't like Drew or it's not a good fit, you will not have this option again.

I agree the Drew principal is great. But ES lasts 6 years. There are no guarantees she will stay. ATS is built around a solid model and works independent of the principal.

I had kids at a local ES with a good reputation, and we never applied to ATS. But then we lost our good principal and got a horrible one. And it was terrible.

Agree with PPs that every APS school should be run like ATS. But they are not.

My kids can read well, but none can spell well or write well. These things were not emphasized at their neighborhood school. We moved to Catholic this year because of COVID and it's run much more like ATS. Focus on the basics. It's been very eye opening. I wish I had done this for my kids from the beginning.

Anonymous wrote:OP, send your child to ATS. If for some reason it's not a good fit, you can always send your child to Drew. You can switch at any time for any reason. The reverse is not true. You literally won the lottery. If you decline this spot and don't like Drew or it's not a good fit, you will not have this option again.

I agree the Drew principal is great. But ES lasts 6 years. There are no guarantees she will stay. ATS is built around a solid model and works independent of the principal.

I had kids at a local ES with a good reputation, and we never applied to ATS. But then we lost our good principal and got a horrible one. And it was terrible.

Agree with PPs that every APS school should be run like ATS. But they are not.

My kids can read well, but none can spell well or write well. These things were not emphasized at their neighborhood school. We moved to Catholic this year because of COVID and it's run much more like ATS. Focus on the basics. It's been very eye opening. I wish I had done this for my kids from the beginning.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is in ATS in first grade. My second will be in their kindergarten class. We absolutely love it. Speaking of diversity, initially applied because our neighborhood school is all white (though it is such a wonderful school) and a friend suggested that this school would be a good fit for her since it was more diverse. Being not white ourselves, we felt like it would be good for her to go to a school where she didn’t feel different. We also wanted the flexibility of moving without having to have our kids switch schools. However we have come to love the school and appreciate it’s philosophy. First of all it is extremely diverse - with families from all over the world. Unlike our neighborhood school, it has a significant portion of its population that qualify for free and reduced lunch due to its VPE program (I’m assuming that drew is similar in that regard). What is unique about AT though, is the achievement gap is quite low. Everyone does well and it’s because of the resources the school puts into their students and also their teaching methods. Unlike many other Arlington schools for example, they stay away from Lucy Calkins. Their reading program is phonics based and ensures that kids learn how to read no matter what their socio-economic background is. I also love their focus on writing. My daughter was writing full sentences and paragraphs by the end of Kindergarten as were so many others in her class. Most of their work is done by hand and on paper so it really improves their fine motor skills. Yes there is homework which I was initially against but there is such a vast improvement in their writing and reading that I feel it is actually beneficial. I also love their focus on art and music. Don’t worry about it being “too much.” My daughter loves it and made lots of good friends. The teachers are warm and friendly and are a lot of fun. I remember my daughter telling me how funny her kindergarten teacher was. Apparently he would make them laugh a lot! And yes a lot of ATS parents want their kids to go to HB even though they are diametrically opposed philosophically. Many of us aren’t attached to a school philosophy - we just want a school that works and educates our kids. Option schools are generally more diverse because they pull from all over the county so I doubt people are sending their kids to ATS and HB to avoid diversity. Notice the critics of ATS here - the majority don’t have kids at ATS. I strongly believe that you should only talk about what you know. I know nothing about Drew. I’m sure like many Arlington schools it’s great (and I’m also assuming that because of its location, it is more diverse than our neighborhood school). But I can tell you that our experience with ATS has been great and we plan on sticking with it.

I'm not trying to criticize ATS here. But I can speak to people avoiding their neighborhood school. It absolutely happens and for different reasons. People in mostly white schools like the idea of diversity and/or the choice program philosophy. White people in the high FRL districts often avoid their high FRL school and might also be interested in the instructional program as a bonus. Some people just really want the choice program. And a lot of people just think ATS is the end all be all or their kid isn't getting the best education if they don't go there because ATS scores are typically the highest in the district.

the ATS to HBWoodlawn path is absolutely illogical from an instructional philosophy perspective. ATS is very structured and rigid. HBW is the exact opposite.

I do think some of the instructional approaches are better at ATS and the expectations are high for every student. However, historically, the principal has had too much influence on admissions and there hasn't been a lot of patience with students who don't fall in line or perform high enough or need too much in the way of special ed/accommodations. Hopefully that has changed in the last few years??

OP, I'm very confident your child will thrive and be happy in either school. She won't know the difference because whichever you send her to will be all she knows. I don't think it's worth all the angst to make a decision and if you would prefer a little less stress and anxiety and less pressure, Drew is for you. If you're hyper type-A typical Arlington helicopter micromanager parent who thinks nothing but the most elite will do for your child and their future success, go ahead and take the ATS slot.

“ If you're hyper type-A typical Arlington helicopter micromanager parent who thinks nothing but the most elite will do for your child and their future success, go ahead and take the ATS slot.”

Omg just came across this thread. What is wrong with ppl? Seriously ppl in Arlington need to grow up. Why so much hatred towards one school all from ppl who don’t have experience with that school. My daughter is in ATS. I am certainly not type A (though I sometimes wish I were lol). ATS like most Arlington schools has many different types of parents who sent their kids there for various reasons. I personally sent my daughter to ATS because of its diversity. We are middle eastern and I liked the fact that ATS has students from many different cultures - more so than any Arlington school. Yes some are diverse but ATS has a lot of cultural diversity. Also liked the idea that in case we decide to move (we live in a small townhouse) we wouldn’t have to worry about switching schools and wouldn’t feel the need to look into our tiny area or Arlington. ATS is a great school. It’s great academically and has a wonderful music and art program. There are many good schools in Arlington as well. It’s not a competition. OP I say talk to ppl with kids at ATS and kids at Drew. Ignore everyone else. You can also always try it for a year and see if you like it. If you don’t your neighborhood school will always be there. I ended up loving it and am planning to enroll my youngest there as well (she just got accepted into their kindergarten program). Also not sure why the hatred towards parents who send their kids to ATS and then HB Woodlawn. Like PP said, many of us aren’t married to a specific philosophy.

I'm the one who made the type-A comment. I didn't mean to imply that all ATS parents are like that. I was trying to suggest to OP that if they fall on that end of the scale, she might be happier with ATS than Drew. If she's not, then Drew would be fine.

While I don't harbor any hatred to ATS or HBW parents, I do object to parents taking slots at schools without being married to the instructional philosophy for their individual kid. Different instructional models are intended to accommodate different types of learners. Especially with HBW, the way admissions are done do not make any effort to match student need/learning style with the HB approach. I don't care about immersion or montessori for my family; but I would resent not getting in while others who are just so-so or indifferent about the instructional model, or who are just trying to avoid their neighborhood school, take the seats.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is in ATS in first grade. My second will be in their kindergarten class. We absolutely love it. Speaking of diversity, initially applied because our neighborhood school is all white (though it is such a wonderful school) and a friend suggested that this school would be a good fit for her since it was more diverse. Being not white ourselves, we felt like it would be good for her to go to a school where she didn’t feel different. We also wanted the flexibility of moving without having to have our kids switch schools. However we have come to love the school and appreciate it’s philosophy. First of all it is extremely diverse - with families from all over the world. Unlike our neighborhood school, it has a significant portion of its population that qualify for free and reduced lunch due to its VPE program (I’m assuming that drew is similar in that regard). What is unique about AT though, is the achievement gap is quite low. Everyone does well and it’s because of the resources the school puts into their students and also their teaching methods. Unlike many other Arlington schools for example, they stay away from Lucy Calkins. Their reading program is phonics based and ensures that kids learn how to read no matter what their socio-economic background is. I also love their focus on writing. My daughter was writing full sentences and paragraphs by the end of Kindergarten as were so many others in her class. Most of their work is done by hand and on paper so it really improves their fine motor skills. Yes there is homework which I was initially against but there is such a vast improvement in their writing and reading that I feel it is actually beneficial. I also love their focus on art and music. Don’t worry about it being “too much.” My daughter loves it and made lots of good friends. The teachers are warm and friendly and are a lot of fun. I remember my daughter telling me how funny her kindergarten teacher was. Apparently he would make them laugh a lot! And yes a lot of ATS parents want their kids to go to HB even though they are diametrically opposed philosophically. Many of us aren’t attached to a school philosophy - we just want a school that works and educates our kids. Option schools are generally more diverse because they pull from all over the county so I doubt people are sending their kids to ATS and HB to avoid diversity. Notice the critics of ATS here - the majority don’t have kids at ATS. I strongly believe that you should only talk about what you know. I know nothing about Drew. I’m sure like many Arlington schools it’s great (and I’m also assuming that because of its location, it is more diverse than our neighborhood school). But I can tell you that our experience with ATS has been great and we plan on sticking with it.

Uhh option schools are not generally more diverse. If you’re in south Arlington, ATS probably won’t be more diverse.

Hmm. ATS is definitely more diverse than Randolph and Carlin Springs. And option schools other than HBW are definitely more diverse than those same two schools and all but a few of the schools north of Route 50.

Nonsense. They are less white.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is in ATS in first grade. My second will be in their kindergarten class. We absolutely love it. Speaking of diversity, initially applied because our neighborhood school is all white (though it is such a wonderful school) and a friend suggested that this school would be a good fit for her since it was more diverse. Being not white ourselves, we felt like it would be good for her to go to a school where she didn’t feel different. We also wanted the flexibility of moving without having to have our kids switch schools. However we have come to love the school and appreciate it’s philosophy. First of all it is extremely diverse - with families from all over the world. Unlike our neighborhood school, it has a significant portion of its population that qualify for free and reduced lunch due to its VPE program (I’m assuming that drew is similar in that regard). What is unique about AT though, is the achievement gap is quite low. Everyone does well and it’s because of the resources the school puts into their students and also their teaching methods. Unlike many other Arlington schools for example, they stay away from Lucy Calkins. Their reading program is phonics based and ensures that kids learn how to read no matter what their socio-economic background is. I also love their focus on writing. My daughter was writing full sentences and paragraphs by the end of Kindergarten as were so many others in her class. Most of their work is done by hand and on paper so it really improves their fine motor skills. Yes there is homework which I was initially against but there is such a vast improvement in their writing and reading that I feel it is actually beneficial. I also love their focus on art and music. Don’t worry about it being “too much.” My daughter loves it and made lots of good friends. The teachers are warm and friendly and are a lot of fun. I remember my daughter telling me how funny her kindergarten teacher was. Apparently he would make them laugh a lot! And yes a lot of ATS parents want their kids to go to HB even though they are diametrically opposed philosophically. Many of us aren’t attached to a school philosophy - we just want a school that works and educates our kids. Option schools are generally more diverse because they pull from all over the county so I doubt people are sending their kids to ATS and HB to avoid diversity. Notice the critics of ATS here - the majority don’t have kids at ATS. I strongly believe that you should only talk about what you know. I know nothing about Drew. I’m sure like many Arlington schools it’s great (and I’m also assuming that because of its location, it is more diverse than our neighborhood school). But I can tell you that our experience with ATS has been great and we plan on sticking with it.

I'm not trying to criticize ATS here. But I can speak to people avoiding their neighborhood school. It absolutely happens and for different reasons. People in mostly white schools like the idea of diversity and/or the choice program philosophy. White people in the high FRL districts often avoid their high FRL school and might also be interested in the instructional program as a bonus. Some people just really want the choice program. And a lot of people just think ATS is the end all be all or their kid isn't getting the best education if they don't go there because ATS scores are typically the highest in the district.

the ATS to HBWoodlawn path is absolutely illogical from an instructional philosophy perspective. ATS is very structured and rigid. HBW is the exact opposite.

I do think some of the instructional approaches are better at ATS and the expectations are high for every student. However, historically, the principal has had too much influence on admissions and there hasn't been a lot of patience with students who don't fall in line or perform high enough or need too much in the way of special ed/accommodations. Hopefully that has changed in the last few years??

OP, I'm very confident your child will thrive and be happy in either school. She won't know the difference because whichever you send her to will be all she knows. I don't think it's worth all the angst to make a decision and if you would prefer a little less stress and anxiety and less pressure, Drew is for you. If you're hyper type-A typical Arlington helicopter micromanager parent who thinks nothing but the most elite will do for your child and their future success, go ahead and take the ATS slot.

“ If you're hyper type-A typical Arlington helicopter micromanager parent who thinks nothing but the most elite will do for your child and their future success, go ahead and take the ATS slot.”

Omg just came across this thread. What is wrong with ppl? Seriously ppl in Arlington need to grow up. Why so much hatred towards one school all from ppl who don’t have experience with that school. My daughter is in ATS. I am certainly not type A (though I sometimes wish I were lol). ATS like most Arlington schools has many different types of parents who sent their kids there for various reasons. I personally sent my daughter to ATS because of its diversity. We are middle eastern and I liked the fact that ATS has students from many different cultures - more so than any Arlington school. Yes some are diverse but ATS has a lot of cultural diversity. Also liked the idea that in case we decide to move (we live in a small townhouse) we wouldn’t have to worry about switching schools and wouldn’t feel the need to look into our tiny area or Arlington. ATS is a great school. It’s great academically and has a wonderful music and art program. There are many good schools in Arlington as well. It’s not a competition. OP I say talk to ppl with kids at ATS and kids at Drew. Ignore everyone else. You can also always try it for a year and see if you like it. If you don’t your neighborhood school will always be there. I ended up loving it and am planning to enroll my youngest there as well (she just got accepted into their kindergarten program). Also not sure why the hatred towards parents who send their kids to ATS and then HB Woodlawn. Like PP said, many of us aren’t married to a specific philosophy.