Anonymous wrote:Does it still have those insecure signs at different places on campus which say : 'top...whatever ...and still counting' ?

That was very off-putting.

I did not like the fact that in classrooms you could look out the window and see the signs of different fraternities.

Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Brown seemed like intellectual places when I visited those campuses.

THAT is your problem?

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Anonymous wrote:Uh, always? Above all but Harvard Yale Princeton for as long as I can remember.

Same opinion here. - 50 year old

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- age 43

56 here. Penn and Columbia weren't considered all that different back in the day. And those of us who went to them were the top kids in our high school class.

Not everyone goes to a high school that feeds the ivies.

Might one ask which law school you went to instead ?

No connection to Penn other than turning down Penn Law, but notions of "prestige" are so inherently subjective that it's not surprising that people would turn to salary information as one somewhat objective measure of how Penn graduates are valued externally. Certainly some of the comments on this thread reflect little more than some personal biases.

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Anonymous wrote:'I actually picked Penn over Cornell and Columbia' in the 1980's.

If the choice was Wharton, sure, understood. But the CAS ??? No way. It was not anywhere near to Columbia College or to Cornell A and S. Columbia College was small and intellectually powerful then with 700 in a class. Cornell is a beautiful rustic campus.

Did you like your experience at Penn ? I was accepted but turned off by the large class size, unattractive Locus Walk with a hodgepodge of buildings that were non-descript, and the frat culture with its building signs looming over the campus and can be sen from classroom windows. It did not feel 'Ivy'.

You seem intent on knocking Penn. It may not be for everyone. It's definitely urban and Philly has its warts. With that said, some of the comments are clearly false for anyone who has some familiarity with the school and the campus. Locust Walk is fabulous. Perhaps it's been awhile since you visited? The campus in general holds its own just fine against any of the other Ivy's I've seen, which is most. There are frats and sororities, but the school is not particularly known for its frat culture relative to many others. Also, CAS and Penn in general does a fantastic job with its outcomes. In fact the highest starting salary ( not that this means everything) for graduating seniors is not from Wharton, but from engineering and CS. This year that # will be right around $100,000 grand on average. As others have mentioned, we are splitting hairs here between this elite and prestigious school vs. this other elite and prestigious school.

I'll add that Penn has embraced interdisciplinary studies between its four undergraduate schools. This is in turn embraced by many students.

I would not raise the issue of money and salaries as a measure of college's quality when talking about the 'greatness of an undergraduate college which is supposed to be about deep learning, and about promoting values on dedication to learning.

I know some teachers who were among the greatest humans I ever learned from who were making relative pennies on the dollar as high school teachers. They were graduates of Princeton and other deeply intellectual places who dedicated themselves to developing the life of the mind for our nation's children. Now, that is greatness.

This is one of the problems I had with Penn, measuring academic excellence in terms of salary. No. measure it in terms of books, scholarship cultivating a committing among students for a thirst for knowledge and for sharing this knowledge with everyone and with anyone else over subsequent generations, even as an 80-year-old. .

Does it still have those insecure signs at different places on campus which say : 'top...whatever ...and still counting' ?

That was very off-putting.

I did not like the fact that in classrooms you could look out the window and see the signs of different fraternities.

Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Brown seemed like intellectual places when I visited those campuses.

Look. Penn is a dump of a school. Locust Walk is ok. It just seems very nice relative to the dumpster fire that the rest of the campus is.

If it weren’t affiliated with the Ivy League athletic conference, it wouldn’t be anything.

It has a top ranked undergraduate B School. I think that’s not what undergraduate education should be about. To learn, to speak, to write, to think. These would be nice skills for a college graduate to obtain. Wharton is a trade school. Not an place of higher learning. I know. I went there for my MBA.

Do your homework. They accept a massive percentage of their class from legacy ED applicants because that was the only way to get them to apply ED. They also accept most of their class from ED.

They used to have a 40 percent acceptance rate not too long ago. There was a reason. It’s one of the ugliest, dirtiest campuses in America. It is full of legacy ED and connected parents. They use ED to obtain legacy kids and people too scared to roll the dice. People obsessed with going to an Ivy.

Nothing makes me laugh harder when people wear their Penn sweatshirts and they get asked about Joe Paterno.

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Anonymous wrote:Penn was one of the founding universities of the Association of American Universities in 1900.

These are
University of California,
The University of Chicago,
Clark University,
Columbia University,
Cornell University,
Harvard University,
Johns Hopkins University,
University of Michigan,
Princeton University,
University of Pennsylvania,
Stanford University,
University of Wisconsin, and
Yale University

Other than Clark, anybody will recognize these names, so yes, Penn has been prestigious for at least 100 years

No one cares who the founding members of the AAU were.

Your are a moron. The AAU is a list of the most prestigious universities in the country. If you don't know something, just stfu

You're a moron, and you don't know anything about who I am. STFU if you don't know what you're talking about.

DP but I think your response here paints you as the mo-ron

You also have no idea what you're talking about. The AAU is a roster of universities that conduct high-impact research, not a list "of the most prestigious universities in the country" (and for the record, there are two Canadian universities included in the AAU). By the PP's own admission, Clark, one of the founding members of the AAU, is not prestigious. Most would also not consider Wisconsin one of "the most prestigious universities in the country." In fact, a majority of the universities in the AAU would be completely balked at by DCUM users like you who know very little and yet speak very loudly -- schools like Arizona, Buffalo, Iowa State.

I say this as someone who went to a research university that is part of the AAU -- just because a school has excellent research does not necessarily mean it is prestigious. Sure, there is often a correlation, and one often begets the other, but they are not one and the same.

Both you and PP come off as the "morons" and, due to the aggressive and overdramatic response of the PP, complete and utter imbeciles.

PP is nuts.

Penn CAS is good, but better places for the money and educational experience.

This includes more of the other Ivy League colleges ( HYPC for sure; B and D are also more attractive quite frankly).

Now, now. Let's be nice. We are supposed to be ladies and gentlemen (gentle people!) on this board. We are all committed to the idea of higher education.

This is not some mud-slinging rowdy street fight to soothe or to assert egos - or, is it ?

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Anonymous wrote:Penn was one of the founding universities of the Association of American Universities in 1900.

These are
University of California,
The University of Chicago,
Clark University,
Columbia University,
Cornell University,
Harvard University,
Johns Hopkins University,
University of Michigan,
Princeton University,
University of Pennsylvania,
Stanford University,
University of Wisconsin, and
Yale University

Other than Clark, anybody will recognize these names, so yes, Penn has been prestigious for at least 100 years

No one cares who the founding members of the AAU were.

Your are a moron. The AAU is a list of the most prestigious universities in the country. If you don't know something, just stfu

You're a moron, and you don't know anything about who I am. STFU if you don't know what you're talking about.

DP but I think your response here paints you as the mo-ron

You also have no idea what you're talking about. The AAU is a roster of universities that conduct high-impact research, not a list "of the most prestigious universities in the country" (and for the record, there are two Canadian universities included in the AAU). By the PP's own admission, Clark, one of the founding members of the AAU, is not prestigious. Most would also not consider Wisconsin one of "the most prestigious universities in the country." In fact, a majority of the universities in the AAU would be completely balked at by DCUM users like you who know very little and yet speak very loudly -- schools like Arizona, Buffalo, Iowa State.

I say this as someone who went to a research university that is part of the AAU -- just because a school has excellent research does not necessarily mean it is prestigious. Sure, there is often a correlation, and one often begets the other, but they are not one and the same.

Both you and PP come off as the "morons" and, due to the aggressive and overdramatic response of the PP, complete and utter imbeciles.

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Anonymous wrote:Penn was one of the founding universities of the Association of American Universities in 1900.

These are
University of California,
The University of Chicago,
Clark University,
Columbia University,
Cornell University,
Harvard University,
Johns Hopkins University,
University of Michigan,
Princeton University,
University of Pennsylvania,
Stanford University,
University of Wisconsin, and
Yale University

Other than Clark, anybody will recognize these names, so yes, Penn has been prestigious for at least 100 years

No one cares who the founding members of the AAU were.

Your are a moron. The AAU is a list of the most prestigious universities in the country. If you don't know something, just stfu

You're a moron, and you don't know anything about who I am. STFU if you don't know what you're talking about.

DP but I think your response here paints you as the mo-ron

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Anonymous wrote:Penn was one of the founding universities of the Association of American Universities in 1900.

These are
University of California,
The University of Chicago,
Clark University,
Columbia University,
Cornell University,
Harvard University,
Johns Hopkins University,
University of Michigan,
Princeton University,
University of Pennsylvania,
Stanford University,
University of Wisconsin, and
Yale University

Other than Clark, anybody will recognize these names, so yes, Penn has been prestigious for at least 100 years

No one cares who the founding members of the AAU were.

Your are a moron. The AAU is a list of the most prestigious universities in the country. If you don't know something, just stfu

You're a moron, and you don't know anything about who I am. STFU if you don't know what you're talking about.

Anonymous wrote:A visitor here : What is 'fantastic' about Locust Walk ? From on line pictures it looks OK, but nothing memorable.

I find it to be all what's best in a stroll through a college campus. Especially once leaves are on the trees. There are many architecturally impressive buildings ( and a few (50's-60's era) duds. The vibrancy is off the charts when students are in session and the world isn't in a pandemic. Locust Walk is its own little world inside of the big city.

Well, can you describe what it was like to be a student at College of Arts and Sciences ?

I can not first hand. I have interacted with several. I will say that to a person, the students are impressive. There's an intellectual curiousity and drive common throughout. Penn can be a tough place for some because it is a competitive campus not just academically, but also socially. Not necessarily from frats, but from social clubs, which are sometimes exclusive in nature and time consuming. Also from rigorous academics. On campus, CAS is considered to be less rigorous than Wharton, Engineering or Nursing. Outcomes are strong. Many matriculate to top grad schools. Many land great jobs right out of school.