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Anonymous wrote:I have never met a Black person who had ID. Not one. Zero.

This is why voter ID laws are designed to discriminate.

Because black people are too inherently stupid to navigate the 11 minute process it takes to get a license?

+1. If you're too dumb to get an ID then you're too dumb to vote. Works for me.

That's my ex-husband and he is white in DC. Not too dumb- he got into college, skipped a grade in DC and his father had Ph.D. It's a combination of not going anywhere, not wanting to deal with paperwork unless it is absolutely necessary, losing/misplacing documents, and I think there is this mental block he has about having to do something outside of home. Long story short, I can say that the anxiety and not working has made him low of the lower class and spending money and time on getting an ID is last thing on his mind. But all this, he has done to himself. There is no reason for a white man in US to be in this position. He is choosing it. I don't agree that this is the case always for black people.
I was poor once myself, up until I dumped him. When I was in line for ID in DC government, I was told I needed ca 5 different things and that I should come back next time I had them. Well, I had all of them on me. Can you imagine nobody even asking me if I have all this stuff. They were too busy trying to send me away and moving the line. The nerve they have as I had all my ducks in a row and walked out with what I came there for. I cannot believe DC government worker's first idea was to tell me to come back when I'm ready. They are definitely there not to help you. How does somebody who can barely read and write figure out this system. I have, but they don't make it easy.
Just ordered 2+2 birth certificates for my child as ex lost the one I had. It took 4 months to get it done by mail and 2 months to get it by phone. took an hour for the phone lady to pick the phone up, took 20 minutes to give her all my info, total cost of 4 certificates -$130. Where is a poor person getting this money? And they need a credit card or bank account (maybe, not even sure). Not all have credit cards or bank accounts.
The phone ordered ones, that were done later, came faster and were wrinkled in UPS envelope. The mail ordered ones were a bad print- few numbers are hard to see and it's not printed straight. Back to the drawing board. How do they send out a certificate without making sure all numbers printed. I will send them a copy of the bad print and see if they will fix it for free, but it's more work for me once again. Mail order one wanted copy of SS card and DL. got to have it all just to get yet another paper.
I have every document (DL, 2 passports, forign DL, SU birtcertificate, SS card, kids passports from 2 countries, ID card from EU) that one can get, but make no mistake, it was a part time job to get them and nobody made getting them easy. Quite the opposite. Some of you need to get off your high horse. It has been easier to get all my EU documents delivered to the embassy in US than it has been to get my US documents. We don't stand in line in EU. Once they know who you are at 16 for passport, 18 for DL, you don't go to the office again and again. It's done online. Here I go to DC DMV every 5 years as if I'm over 80 to prove I can still see.

DCDMV is now scheduling appointments to renew in 2022 (not a typo). I am sure many people are without valid IDs in DC these days.

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Anonymous wrote:I would conservatively estimate that probably 75% of AA people over 50 years old lack any form of govt ID at all. It just wasn’t done before the 70’s. And they’ve grown up and lived their whole lives without ever driving or traveling, or being able to get a job. You people live very sheltered lives, and have no idea what life is like in the AA community.

You must be kidding.
Of the over 50 African American crowd I know, have drivers licenses, a few with passports. Yes, there are the homeless and people who have been institutionalized and people who just can't get their $h!t together, but they are not 75%. Even among my southern relatives (AfAm side) they have drivers licenses and some have their military IDs.

You are clueless. There are lots of people who don't have visas and do not have up to date licenses. My mother and the siblings all had a hard time post 9/11 as they had to get their ids updated and none of them had birth certificates. None were born in a hospital.

My mom was born in the 1940s, in rural North Carolina, in a sharecropper's cabin, and she has as birth certificate as well as her siblings. Grandma was afraid of hospitals.
I'm Black, also born in the South, but in a hospital in the 1970s. I a have a birth certificate.
Any argument to say that Black people are less capable than whites is racist. And the idea that we can't get IDs because we are 'less than' and need to helped or excused by a bunch of do good saviors is disgusting. I am your equal.

Now that I got that off my chest, I will acknowledge some problems with our ID system. We had to bring my MIL up from out of state and she was semi-homeless due to another relative's abuse and her own growing dementia. It was a PITA to try to get her an ID from Maryland. Supposedly there were exceptions for people her age (over 70) for a non-driver's ID. But when DH carted her over to the DMV, they demanded all sorts of proof, and it didn't help she married again to a guy who had died. We needed her marriage certificate from her 2nd marriage but she couldn't remember where she married him, dementia, so we had to spend time hunting all the possible counties she could have married the lout. She died before we could cobble up all the proof of ID. And yes, we needed IDs for certain services, but went without or coasted on the good graces of people who normally worked with the aged and were fine with a SS card and her Medicare/ health insurance card.

Also I thought the question was people having AN ID as opposed to A VALID UP TO DATE ID. My mother in law had an ID. It wasn't up to date. It had her old address and not her MD address. But it was an ID, issued by a state government.

Oh you didn't know we are supposed to be idiots who can't manage the basics of life?

It's crazy watching people twist themselves into pretzels over this issue. Half my family served in the military and we all were born here (the last of my relatives to be born at home and have his birth recorded later died last year), enrolled in schools and rent/own houses but we can't figure out id? No.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would conservatively estimate that probably 75% of AA people over 50 years old lack any form of govt ID at all. It just wasn’t done before the 70’s. And they’ve grown up and lived their whole lives without ever driving or traveling, or being able to get a job. You people live very sheltered lives, and have no idea what life is like in the AA community.

You must be kidding.
Of the over 50 African American crowd I know, have drivers licenses, a few with passports. Yes, there are the homeless and people who have been institutionalized and people who just can't get their $h!t together, but they are not 75%. Even among my southern relatives (AfAm side) they have drivers licenses and some have their military IDs.

You are clueless. There are lots of people who don't have visas and do not have up to date licenses. My mother and the siblings all had a hard time post 9/11 as they had to get their ids updated and none of them had birth certificates. None were born in a hospital.

My mom was born in the 1940s, in rural North Carolina, in a sharecropper's cabin, and she has as birth certificate as well as her siblings. Grandma was afraid of hospitals.
I'm Black, also born in the South, but in a hospital in the 1970s. I a have a birth certificate.
Any argument to say that Black people are less capable than whites is racist. And the idea that we can't get IDs because we are 'less than' and need to helped or excused by a bunch of do good saviors is disgusting. I am your equal.

Now that I got that off my chest, I will acknowledge some problems with our ID system. We had to bring my MIL up from out of state and she was semi-homeless due to another relative's abuse and her own growing dementia. It was a PITA to try to get her an ID from Maryland. Supposedly there were exceptions for people her age (over 70) for a non-driver's ID. But when DH carted her over to the DMV, they demanded all sorts of proof, and it didn't help she married again to a guy who had died. We needed her marriage certificate from her 2nd marriage but she couldn't remember where she married him, dementia, so we had to spend time hunting all the possible counties she could have married the lout. She died before we could cobble up all the proof of ID. And yes, we needed IDs for certain services, but went without or coasted on the good graces of people who normally worked with the aged and were fine with a SS card and her Medicare/ health insurance card.

Also I thought the question was people having AN ID as opposed to A VALID UP TO DATE ID. My mother in law had an ID. It wasn't up to date. It had her old address and not her MD address. But it was an ID, issued by a state government.

Anonymous wrote:I have never met a Black person who had ID. Not one. Zero.

This is why voter ID laws are designed to discriminate.

So when you meet a Black person, you ask them for their ID?

Anonymous wrote:I have never met a Black person who had ID. Not one. Zero.

This is why voter ID laws are designed to discriminate.

This is the dumbest post I’ve ever encountered on a site replete with idiocy. Why are you infantalizing blacks people? Every black person I know absolutely has a valid form of ID and if they didn’t I’d me far more concerned about that then their right to vote. If you don’t have an ID then you can’t get a job, open a bank account, drive a car, travel by air
or do almost anything. You’re an utter imbecile.

Anonymous wrote:I have never met a Black person who had ID. Not one. Zero.

This is why voter ID laws are designed to discriminate.

Every single Black person I have ever met - EVERY single one - has an ID.

Because they wanted one, because they made it a priority. Because they, like everyone else dealt with DC DMV (which is a mess for ALL) and got one.

This is 2021. Access is equal to all - pretty much requires everyone to take work time off, stand in line, prepare and submit a ton of documents etc. There is no special "out" of this because you are White.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never met a Black person who had ID. Not one. Zero.

This is why voter ID laws are designed to discriminate.

Because black people are too inherently stupid to navigate the 11 minute process it takes to get a license?

Maybe it takes 11 minutes in DC - a progressive city with extremely small borders, but everywhere isn't DC.

It has nothing to do with being stupid, what it has to do with is racist Republicans intentionally doing everything they can to prevent black people from getting an ID and by extension preventing them from voting.

Here's how it works: first they shut down the DMV sites in black neighborhoods and reduce the service hours in the remaining locations in the name of "fiscal responsibility." Now black people have to travel all the way across the county to get an ID, and because public transportation is abysmal outside major cities, this is a trip that can take hours each way. Black would-be voters can't afford to take an entire unpaid day off (thanks again GOP!) to take three buses across the county to get an ID, so they don't and consequently can't vote, which is exactly by design.