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Anonymous wrote:I do not want a permanent DL option supported. I think that raises severe equity and segregation issues, and it routes funding to a population that needs it least.

Honestly, I don’t either. It’s not what the public schools are good at and it’s not consistent with their mission for the long term. I WOULD like to see lessons learned in virtual — where it has better served ASD and SN kids for example — taken back to the physical classroom. Long term, resources should be focused on making the in-school experience equitably optimal for all kinds of kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Notice how they say START with the vaccine? What else could they possibly demand beyond a vaccine in the name of safety? I am honestly asking this question.

I honestly wonder that too. With adults as well as children. There’s so many vocal people who say they don’t “feel safe” even with the vaccine. Well what else are we supposed to do? The vaccine IS the end game. Masks and distancing are just stopgap measures.

I'm not that PP, but honestly, I think the next phase of the pandemic is going to be all of the people who have had the tremendous privilege of isolating at home this whole time come to terms with what level of risk they're comfortable with. For some, once they themselves are vaccinated, they will do whatever they want to/are permitted to do (eat in restaurants, travel, etc). For others, the anxiety over doing even the smallest activity will be a huge hurdle. I have had people tell me they cannot imagine walking back into a grocery store or getting a haircut. This is going to take a lot of time. And of course, there are tons of people who have not been able to shield themselves to that level so may feel more comfortable with the levels of mitigation being taken in schools, even when kids aren't vaccinated.

Oh good gravy. I'm plenty privileged, but I still had to go into the office starting in April. Layered mitigation really does work, as the majority of America that has stepped outside their houses knows.

DP. You know that. I know that. But people who have stayed in their homes for more than a year have not yet discovered that. For many, the disciplined isolation they have engaged in throughout the pandemic is grounded in a need for control and anxiety over risk of harm from the virus. That's not going to go away immediately. Those extremist and their children might find themselves terrified to venture back out into a world which has largely enabled them in demanding a school system free from all COVID risk.

This.

Not this. I don't get the sweeping generalizations. Even when we are vaccinated as adults, our kids will not be and until our kids are vaccinated we will continue to play it safe as COVID is not worth the risk to our family. You may be willing to take the risk for your family as well as others (since your risk willingness can spread it to others) but we'd prefer to continue to be responsible.

You don't have to be isolated when home. You are choosing to say that to justify your behavior. Activities can be done online as well as socializing, just like before covid. And, you can take walks, hike, bike, hang out as a family and much more. The real issue is how you choose to spend your time and structure your home and being together as a family clearly isn't on your wishlist so you'd rather take digs at other families, especially those who you generally send your kids to to get a break and now you cannot, like our home. You know what. We kinda like not having your kid here even though we feel sorry for them. More time with our kids, spend way less on groceries and carry out, etc.

Oh the irony.

This person has to be a teacher. I've been waiting for her to arrive to weigh on on this thread.

Anonymous wrote:I do not want a permanent DL option supported. I think that raises severe equity and segregation issues, and it routes funding to a population that needs it least.

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Anonymous wrote:Notice how they say START with the vaccine? What else could they possibly demand beyond a vaccine in the name of safety? I am honestly asking this question.

I honestly wonder that too. With adults as well as children. There’s so many vocal people who say they don’t “feel safe” even with the vaccine. Well what else are we supposed to do? The vaccine IS the end game. Masks and distancing are just stopgap measures.

I'm not that PP, but honestly, I think the next phase of the pandemic is going to be all of the people who have had the tremendous privilege of isolating at home this whole time come to terms with what level of risk they're comfortable with. For some, once they themselves are vaccinated, they will do whatever they want to/are permitted to do (eat in restaurants, travel, etc). For others, the anxiety over doing even the smallest activity will be a huge hurdle. I have had people tell me they cannot imagine walking back into a grocery store or getting a haircut. This is going to take a lot of time. And of course, there are tons of people who have not been able to shield themselves to that level so may feel more comfortable with the levels of mitigation being taken in schools, even when kids aren't vaccinated.

Oh good gravy. I'm plenty privileged, but I still had to go into the office starting in April. Layered mitigation really does work, as the majority of America that has stepped outside their houses knows.

DP. You know that. I know that. But people who have stayed in their homes for more than a year have not yet discovered that. For many, the disciplined isolation they have engaged in throughout the pandemic is grounded in a need for control and anxiety over risk of harm from the virus. That's not going to go away immediately. Those extremist and their children might find themselves terrified to venture back out into a world which has largely enabled them in demanding a school system free from all COVID risk.

Damn that’s heavy. The mental health issues are going to take longer to resolve than the physical health issues .....

Do we really think it's that many people? Honestly, it's all anxiety of their own making....

It’s not that many people who have had the ability to isolate a lot during Covid, but they have outsized influence. They’re comfortably middle class or upper middle class. They portray themselves as more virtuous and the most cautious, compared to working class people who have generally always had to work in person, or rich people who could disregard a lot of aspects of social distancing. And there’s a lot of them in this area in particular. It’s going to be a mess.

Most people who like to portray themselves as pandemic virtuous have actually been vacationing and doing all sorts of unvirtuous things all along. They just rationalize it to themselves and the rest of us.

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/another-dull-quarantine-weekend-at-home-target-chipotle-home-depot-and-our-nieces-graduation-party

Which is just another reason why the public school system needs to just say no to these people. Imagine in 2019 if the schools had been asked if they would let a significant (though not necessarily large) portion of their students simply refuse to come to school every day. They called those kids truants and had legal recourse.

DL is not being truant or refusing to go to school. Having DL or a hybrid is great for all as it reduces overcrowding. Real question is why are you threatened with other choosing DL during a pandemic or even afterward? If your kids are not participating in DL now they are truant. They should fail those kids and hold the parents accountable.

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Anonymous wrote:Notice how they say START with the vaccine? What else could they possibly demand beyond a vaccine in the name of safety? I am honestly asking this question.

I honestly wonder that too. With adults as well as children. There’s so many vocal people who say they don’t “feel safe” even with the vaccine. Well what else are we supposed to do? The vaccine IS the end game. Masks and distancing are just stopgap measures.

I'm not that PP, but honestly, I think the next phase of the pandemic is going to be all of the people who have had the tremendous privilege of isolating at home this whole time come to terms with what level of risk they're comfortable with. For some, once they themselves are vaccinated, they will do whatever they want to/are permitted to do (eat in restaurants, travel, etc). For others, the anxiety over doing even the smallest activity will be a huge hurdle. I have had people tell me they cannot imagine walking back into a grocery store or getting a haircut. This is going to take a lot of time. And of course, there are tons of people who have not been able to shield themselves to that level so may feel more comfortable with the levels of mitigation being taken in schools, even when kids aren't vaccinated.

Oh good gravy. I'm plenty privileged, but I still had to go into the office starting in April. Layered mitigation really does work, as the majority of America that has stepped outside their houses knows.

DP. You know that. I know that. But people who have stayed in their homes for more than a year have not yet discovered that. For many, the disciplined isolation they have engaged in throughout the pandemic is grounded in a need for control and anxiety over risk of harm from the virus. That's not going to go away immediately. Those extremist and their children might find themselves terrified to venture back out into a world which has largely enabled them in demanding a school system free from all COVID risk.

Damn that’s heavy. The mental health issues are going to take longer to resolve than the physical health issues .....

Do we really think it's that many people? Honestly, it's all anxiety of their own making....

It’s not that many people who have had the ability to isolate a lot during Covid, but they have outsized influence. They’re comfortably middle class or upper middle class. They portray themselves as more virtuous and the most cautious, compared to working class people who have generally always had to work in person, or rich people who could disregard a lot of aspects of social distancing. And there’s a lot of them in this area in particular. It’s going to be a mess.

I really do think a lot of it is segregationist tendencies.

I don’t know, I think that’s some of it but some of the most vocal “it’s not saaaaafe, I don’t feel safe” people are working class Hispanics who have chosen DL in huge numbers. I don’t know how you get those people back into the schools, I really don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Notice how they say START with the vaccine? What else could they possibly demand beyond a vaccine in the name of safety? I am honestly asking this question.

I honestly wonder that too. With adults as well as children. There’s so many vocal people who say they don’t “feel safe” even with the vaccine. Well what else are we supposed to do? The vaccine IS the end game. Masks and distancing are just stopgap measures.

I'm not that PP, but honestly, I think the next phase of the pandemic is going to be all of the people who have had the tremendous privilege of isolating at home this whole time come to terms with what level of risk they're comfortable with. For some, once they themselves are vaccinated, they will do whatever they want to/are permitted to do (eat in restaurants, travel, etc). For others, the anxiety over doing even the smallest activity will be a huge hurdle. I have had people tell me they cannot imagine walking back into a grocery store or getting a haircut. This is going to take a lot of time. And of course, there are tons of people who have not been able to shield themselves to that level so may feel more comfortable with the levels of mitigation being taken in schools, even when kids aren't vaccinated.

Oh good gravy. I'm plenty privileged, but I still had to go into the office starting in April. Layered mitigation really does work, as the majority of America that has stepped outside their houses knows.

DP. You know that. I know that. But people who have stayed in their homes for more than a year have not yet discovered that. For many, the disciplined isolation they have engaged in throughout the pandemic is grounded in a need for control and anxiety over risk of harm from the virus. That's not going to go away immediately. Those extremist and their children might find themselves terrified to venture back out into a world which has largely enabled them in demanding a school system free from all COVID risk.

Damn that’s heavy. The mental health issues are going to take longer to resolve than the physical health issues .....

Do we really think it's that many people? Honestly, it's all anxiety of their own making....

It’s not that many people who have had the ability to isolate a lot during Covid, but they have outsized influence. They’re comfortably middle class or upper middle class. They portray themselves as more virtuous and the most cautious, compared to working class people who have generally always had to work in person, or rich people who could disregard a lot of aspects of social distancing. And there’s a lot of them in this area in particular. It’s going to be a mess.

I really do think a lot of it is segregationist tendencies.

Anonymous wrote:I don't want my kids to "DL forever" but we aren't out of the Covid woods yet, and most parents haven't been able to get a vaccine. As well as some teachers.

See the new CDC directors message today. Too many mask freedum people, and too few vaccines, are leading to another potential surge. It usually takes a pandemic like this 3 years to burn thru the population (see 1918), hopefully with the vaccine that will be shortened, as long as people take it.

Send your kids back if you want.

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Anonymous wrote:They don't want their kids exposed to "those kids," which has been openly expressed many times on DCUM over the past year by pro-DL parents. The definition of "those kids" varies but it typically is code for brown children, children with disabilities, poorer children, etc.

We all know what the posters who talk about how "my kids are thriving because they aren't exposed to those kids" are really saying. Sometimes they are so overtly racist/ableist/etc that people report them to the moderator and those posts are deleted. I've personally seen and reported enough of them that I know what the other posters who are more subtle are saying when they talk about "those kids."

I think they are a large percentage of the DL forever crowd.

Wow. I never thought of it that way.

Every thread about DL, returning to school, or the idea of long term DL has posters saying that their kids are "thriving" because they don't have to deal with the "troublemakers" or special needs kids and can concentrate on their own learning. That's the most frequently stated reason why posters say their kids are learning more with DL than in person.

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Exactly. They often don't even try to hide their racism, ableism, etc.

I actually know a few kids with ADHD/ASD who are doing better at home without the troublemakers (i.e., the bullies in Gen Ed).

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Anonymous wrote:Notice how they say START with the vaccine? What else could they possibly demand beyond a vaccine in the name of safety? I am honestly asking this question.

I honestly wonder that too. With adults as well as children. There’s so many vocal people who say they don’t “feel safe” even with the vaccine. Well what else are we supposed to do? The vaccine IS the end game. Masks and distancing are just stopgap measures.

I'm not that PP, but honestly, I think the next phase of the pandemic is going to be all of the people who have had the tremendous privilege of isolating at home this whole time come to terms with what level of risk they're comfortable with. For some, once they themselves are vaccinated, they will do whatever they want to/are permitted to do (eat in restaurants, travel, etc). For others, the anxiety over doing even the smallest activity will be a huge hurdle. I have had people tell me they cannot imagine walking back into a grocery store or getting a haircut. This is going to take a lot of time. And of course, there are tons of people who have not been able to shield themselves to that level so may feel more comfortable with the levels of mitigation being taken in schools, even when kids aren't vaccinated.

Oh good gravy. I'm plenty privileged, but I still had to go into the office starting in April. Layered mitigation really does work, as the majority of America that has stepped outside their houses knows.

DP. You know that. I know that. But people who have stayed in their homes for more than a year have not yet discovered that. For many, the disciplined isolation they have engaged in throughout the pandemic is grounded in a need for control and anxiety over risk of harm from the virus. That's not going to go away immediately. Those extremist and their children might find themselves terrified to venture back out into a world which has largely enabled them in demanding a school system free from all COVID risk.

This.

Not this. I don't get the sweeping generalizations. Even when we are vaccinated as adults, our kids will not be and until our kids are vaccinated we will continue to play it safe as COVID is not worth the risk to our family. You may be willing to take the risk for your family as well as others (since your risk willingness can spread it to others) but we'd prefer to continue to be responsible.

You don't have to be isolated when home. You are choosing to say that to justify your behavior. Activities can be done online as well as socializing, just like before covid. And, you can take walks, hike, bike, hang out as a family and much more. The real issue is how you choose to spend your time and structure your home and being together as a family clearly isn't on your wishlist so you'd rather take digs at other families, especially those who you generally send your kids to to get a break and now you cannot, like our home. You know what. We kinda like not having your kid here even though we feel sorry for them. More time with our kids, spend way less on groceries and carry out, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Notice how they say START with the vaccine? What else could they possibly demand beyond a vaccine in the name of safety? I am honestly asking this question.

I honestly wonder that too. With adults as well as children. There’s so many vocal people who say they don’t “feel safe” even with the vaccine. Well what else are we supposed to do? The vaccine IS the end game. Masks and distancing are just stopgap measures.

I'm not that PP, but honestly, I think the next phase of the pandemic is going to be all of the people who have had the tremendous privilege of isolating at home this whole time come to terms with what level of risk they're comfortable with. For some, once they themselves are vaccinated, they will do whatever they want to/are permitted to do (eat in restaurants, travel, etc). For others, the anxiety over doing even the smallest activity will be a huge hurdle. I have had people tell me they cannot imagine walking back into a grocery store or getting a haircut. This is going to take a lot of time. And of course, there are tons of people who have not been able to shield themselves to that level so may feel more comfortable with the levels of mitigation being taken in schools, even when kids aren't vaccinated.

Oh good gravy. I'm plenty privileged, but I still had to go into the office starting in April. Layered mitigation really does work, as the majority of America that has stepped outside their houses knows.

DP. You know that. I know that. But people who have stayed in their homes for more than a year have not yet discovered that. For many, the disciplined isolation they have engaged in throughout the pandemic is grounded in a need for control and anxiety over risk of harm from the virus. That's not going to go away immediately. Those extremist and their children might find themselves terrified to venture back out into a world which has largely enabled them in demanding a school system free from all COVID risk.

This.

Not this. I don't get the sweeping generalizations. Even when we are vaccinated as adults, our kids will not be and until our kids are vaccinated we will continue to play it safe as COVID is not worth the risk to our family. You may be willing to take the risk for your family as well as others (since your risk willingness can spread it to others) but we'd prefer to continue to be responsible.

You don't have to be isolated when home. You are choosing to say that to justify your behavior. Activities can be done online as well as socializing, just like before covid. And, you can take walks, hike, bike, hang out as a family and much more. The real issue is how you choose to spend your time and structure your home and being together as a family clearly isn't on your wishlist so you'd rather take digs at other families, especially those who you generally send your kids to to get a break and now you cannot, like our home. You know what. We kinda like not having your kid here even though we feel sorry for them. More time with our kids, spend way less on groceries and carry out, etc.

Oh the irony.

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Anonymous wrote:Notice how they say START with the vaccine? What else could they possibly demand beyond a vaccine in the name of safety? I am honestly asking this question.

I honestly wonder that too. With adults as well as children. There’s so many vocal people who say they don’t “feel safe” even with the vaccine. Well what else are we supposed to do? The vaccine IS the end game. Masks and distancing are just stopgap measures.

I'm not that PP, but honestly, I think the next phase of the pandemic is going to be all of the people who have had the tremendous privilege of isolating at home this whole time come to terms with what level of risk they're comfortable with. For some, once they themselves are vaccinated, they will do whatever they want to/are permitted to do (eat in restaurants, travel, etc). For others, the anxiety over doing even the smallest activity will be a huge hurdle. I have had people tell me they cannot imagine walking back into a grocery store or getting a haircut. This is going to take a lot of time. And of course, there are tons of people who have not been able to shield themselves to that level so may feel more comfortable with the levels of mitigation being taken in schools, even when kids aren't vaccinated.

Oh good gravy. I'm plenty privileged, but I still had to go into the office starting in April. Layered mitigation really does work, as the majority of America that has stepped outside their houses knows.

DP. You know that. I know that. But people who have stayed in their homes for more than a year have not yet discovered that. For many, the disciplined isolation they have engaged in throughout the pandemic is grounded in a need for control and anxiety over risk of harm from the virus. That's not going to go away immediately. Those extremist and their children might find themselves terrified to venture back out into a world which has largely enabled them in demanding a school system free from all COVID risk.

Damn that’s heavy. The mental health issues are going to take longer to resolve than the physical health issues .....

Do we really think it's that many people? Honestly, it's all anxiety of their own making....

It’s not that many people who have had the ability to isolate a lot during Covid, but they have outsized influence. They’re comfortably middle class or upper middle class. They portray themselves as more virtuous and the most cautious, compared to working class people who have generally always had to work in person, or rich people who could disregard a lot of aspects of social distancing. And there’s a lot of them in this area in particular. It’s going to be a mess.

Most people who like to portray themselves as pandemic virtuous have actually been vacationing and doing all sorts of unvirtuous things all along. They just rationalize it to themselves and the rest of us.

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/another-dull-quarantine-weekend-at-home-target-chipotle-home-depot-and-our-nieces-graduation-party

Which is just another reason why the public school system needs to just say no to these people. Imagine in 2019 if the schools had been asked if they would let a significant (though not necessarily large) portion of their students simply refuse to come to school every day. They called those kids truants and had legal recourse.

DL is not being truant or refusing to go to school. Having DL or a hybrid is great for all as it reduces overcrowding. Real question is why are you threatened with other choosing DL during a pandemic or even afterward? If your kids are not participating in DL now they are truant. They should fail those kids and hold the parents accountable.

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Anonymous wrote:Notice how they say START with the vaccine? What else could they possibly demand beyond a vaccine in the name of safety? I am honestly asking this question.

I honestly wonder that too. With adults as well as children. There’s so many vocal people who say they don’t “feel safe” even with the vaccine. Well what else are we supposed to do? The vaccine IS the end game. Masks and distancing are just stopgap measures.

I'm not that PP, but honestly, I think the next phase of the pandemic is going to be all of the people who have had the tremendous privilege of isolating at home this whole time come to terms with what level of risk they're comfortable with. For some, once they themselves are vaccinated, they will do whatever they want to/are permitted to do (eat in restaurants, travel, etc). For others, the anxiety over doing even the smallest activity will be a huge hurdle. I have had people tell me they cannot imagine walking back into a grocery store or getting a haircut. This is going to take a lot of time. And of course, there are tons of people who have not been able to shield themselves to that level so may feel more comfortable with the levels of mitigation being taken in schools, even when kids aren't vaccinated.

Oh good gravy. I'm plenty privileged, but I still had to go into the office starting in April. Layered mitigation really does work, as the majority of America that has stepped outside their houses knows.

DP. You know that. I know that. But people who have stayed in their homes for more than a year have not yet discovered that. For many, the disciplined isolation they have engaged in throughout the pandemic is grounded in a need for control and anxiety over risk of harm from the virus. That's not going to go away immediately. Those extremist and their children might find themselves terrified to venture back out into a world which has largely enabled them in demanding a school system free from all COVID risk.

This.

Not this. I don't get the sweeping generalizations. Even when we are vaccinated as adults, our kids will not be and until our kids are vaccinated we will continue to play it safe as COVID is not worth the risk to our family. You may be willing to take the risk for your family as well as others (since your risk willingness can spread it to others) but we'd prefer to continue to be responsible.

You don't have to be isolated when home. You are choosing to say that to justify your behavior. Activities can be done online as well as socializing, just like before covid. And, you can take walks, hike, bike, hang out as a family and much more. The real issue is how you choose to spend your time and structure your home and being together as a family clearly isn't on your wishlist so you'd rather take digs at other families, especially those who you generally send your kids to to get a break and now you cannot, like our home. You know what. We kinda like not having your kid here even though we feel sorry for them. More time with our kids, spend way less on groceries and carry out, etc.