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Anonymous wrote:OP Here.

I had been patiently waiting for replies and reading them.

It looks overwhelming opinion is to not pay OOS cost with UVA as an option.

Almost everybody agrees that Umich is better in engineering than Uva.

At this point we are heavily leaning towards Uva. As one poster suggested, save the money for Grad school. If son is really good in engineering, we would need that.

One point I disagree with many posters is picking UMich for CS over Uva. Uva CS is very good, and close DC area provides abundance of opportunity with huge earning potential.

My worry was the other way round. That if my son sticks with core engineering (Mechanical/Aero), whether his prospects would be diminished by picking Uva over Umich.

You're pretty much right on. If he's set on doing CS it really doesn't matter what school he goes to. However, mech/aero will be much better in Michigan with job prospects being miles away. If for some reason there's a chance he will switch out of engineering, UVA would be the better choice.

Why?

Anonymous wrote:OP Here.

I had been patiently waiting for replies and reading them.

It looks overwhelming opinion is to not pay OOS cost with UVA as an option.

Almost everybody agrees that Umich is better in engineering than Uva.

At this point we are heavily leaning towards Uva. As one poster suggested, save the money for Grad school. If son is really good in engineering, we would need that.

One point I disagree with many posters is picking UMich for CS over Uva. Uva CS is very good, and close DC area provides abundance of opportunity with huge earning potential.

My worry was the other way round. That if my son sticks with core engineering (Mechanical/Aero), whether his prospects would be diminished by picking Uva over Umich.

OP - See the salary info. posted upthread. While they are close, Mich does have a bit of an advantage. Also, the list of companies hiring out of Mich will be substantially better than UVA and UMich also opens doors to west coast jobs (sure COL is higher but in the long run, wealth accumulation is better).

Also, not many kids in tech get a Masters. You don't really need one if you plan on working in Industry. Even if you do, at most schools you can get a Masters degree with one more year of school if you plan your courses right. Academia or a change in focus (i.e. Business or Law) requires a grad degree but the student can fund that themselves after a couple of years of work. I think most people talking about grad school are parents of kids pursuing non-Tech degrees.

Anonymous wrote:OP Here.

I had been patiently waiting for replies and reading them.

It looks overwhelming opinion is to not pay OOS cost with UVA as an option.

Almost everybody agrees that Umich is better in engineering than Uva.

At this point we are heavily leaning towards Uva. As one poster suggested, save the money for Grad school. If son is really good in engineering, we would need that.

One point I disagree with many posters is picking UMich for CS over Uva. Uva CS is very good, and close DC area provides abundance of opportunity with huge earning potential.

My worry was the other way round. That if my son sticks with core engineering (Mechanical/Aero), whether his prospects would be diminished by picking Uva over Umich.

You're pretty much right on. If he's set on doing CS it really doesn't matter what school he goes to. However, mech/aero will be much better in Michigan with job prospects being miles away. If for some reason there's a chance he will switch out of engineering, UVA would be the better choice.

OP Here.

I had been patiently waiting for replies and reading them.

It looks overwhelming opinion is to not pay OOS cost with UVA as an option.

Almost everybody agrees that Umich is better in engineering than Uva.

At this point we are heavily leaning towards Uva. As one poster suggested, save the money for Grad school. If son is really good in engineering, we would need that.

One point I disagree with many posters is picking UMich for CS over Uva. Uva CS is very good, and close DC area provides abundance of opportunity with huge earning potential.

My worry was the other way round. That if my son sticks with core engineering (Mechanical/Aero), whether his prospects would be diminished by picking Uva over Umich.

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Anonymous wrote:^Also, its 35-40% despite Freshman not being allowed to rush until second semester, so really its about 40-46%. That's not including those that only join Greek Life in sophomore year, so at upper levels its 50%+ and not being in Greek Life means you are likely the odd one out.

This is less pronounced in engineering though.

Utterly and totally false. my DC just graduated. Figure is 35% not 50% it what figure the person who didn’t get in wants to claim. They probably went to Wash & Lee where 86 percent participate. google it. You can go all four years as my DC did, have a great group of friends, get into a great grad school and never o ce set foot in a Greek house since they are off campus on Rugby Road.

Ask your kids to help you with the math. This is more their turf.

35% of all undergraduates = X% of 3rd & 4th year students

why are you not including 2nd years... they rush Feb of 2nd year... so they are technically greek at that point. I'm simply asking because I am NOT good at math LOL

Sorry - on that first post I forgot to add the 2nd year in my comment.

But when I typed it out again here, I did include them:
If 1st years can't rush, then that makes it ~46% of 2nd-4th year students (AKA the equivalent to 35% of all students).

uh USNWR puts it at 35%; other publications put it at only 30%. That’s what I’m going with.

UVA says 35% of all undergrads.
https://fsl.virginia.edu/frequently-asked-questions

Which means ~46% of 2nd-4th year students.

and ZERO percent of first year students. Oh, yeah, you forgot that in your analysis, didn't you?

Uh yeah. That was exactly the point that PP was making above. That the first year students don't participate, but that by year 3/4 it's more like half of your peers. That is not false. That is a fact.

It seems like some people (in blue) are just having a difficult time understanding the math.

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Anonymous wrote:^Also, its 35-40% despite Freshman not being allowed to rush until second semester, so really its about 40-46%. That's not including those that only join Greek Life in sophomore year, so at upper levels its 50%+ and not being in Greek Life means you are likely the odd one out.

This is less pronounced in engineering though.

Utterly and totally false. my DC just graduated. Figure is 35% not 50% it what figure the person who didn’t get in wants to claim. They probably went to Wash & Lee where 86 percent participate. google it. You can go all four years as my DC did, have a great group of friends, get into a great grad school and never o ce set foot in a Greek house since they are off campus on Rugby Road.

Ask your kids to help you with the math. This is more their turf.

35% of all undergraduates = X% of 3rd & 4th year students

why are you not including 2nd years... they rush Feb of 2nd year... so they are technically greek at that point. I'm simply asking because I am NOT good at math LOL

Sorry - on that first post I forgot to add the 2nd year in my comment.

But when I typed it out again here, I did include them:
If 1st years can't rush, then that makes it ~46% of 2nd-4th year students (AKA the equivalent to 35% of all students).

uh USNWR puts it at 35%; other publications put it at only 30%. That’s what I’m going with.

UVA says 35% of all undergrads.
https://fsl.virginia.edu/frequently-asked-questions

Which means ~46% of 2nd-4th year students.

and ZERO percent of first year students. Oh, yeah, you forgot that in your analysis, didn't you?

1. This isn't that complicated or novel. Michigan is the better regarded e-school, and in the relevant specialties, and UVA is solid but substantially cheaper. A classic cost/quality tradeoff. FWIW, when faced with a similar choice a few years ago (Purdue/UVA), my son chose UVA for some of the reasons specified by others (smaller feel, closer to home, etc.), and has done fine both academically and in his job searches. But, n=1.
2. The whole greek life thing is a red herring. Everyone knows that rush is for the kids from the College of Arts and Crafts, as the engineers are too busy.

Any non-drinkers joined a frat and enjoyed the experience? DS does not like to drink and took some colleges off his list because of the dominant drinking culture. If he does join a Frat for other reasons, is drinking part of the expectation?

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Anonymous wrote:^Also, its 35-40% despite Freshman not being allowed to rush until second semester, so really its about 40-46%. That's not including those that only join Greek Life in sophomore year, so at upper levels its 50%+ and not being in Greek Life means you are likely the odd one out.

This is less pronounced in engineering though.

Utterly and totally false. my DC just graduated. Figure is 35% not 50% it what figure the person who didn’t get in wants to claim. They probably went to Wash & Lee where 86 percent participate. google it. You can go all four years as my DC did, have a great group of friends, get into a great grad school and never o ce set foot in a Greek house since they are off campus on Rugby Road.

Ask your kids to help you with the math. This is more their turf.

35% of all undergraduates = X% of 3rd & 4th year students

why are you not including 2nd years... they rush Feb of 2nd year... so they are technically greek at that point. I'm simply asking because I am NOT good at math LOL

Sorry - on that first post I forgot to add the 2nd year in my comment.

But when I typed it out again here, I did include them:
If 1st years can't rush, then that makes it ~46% of 2nd-4th year students (AKA the equivalent to 35% of all students).

uh USNWR puts it at 35%; other publications put it at only 30%. That’s what I’m going with.

UVA says 35% of all undergrads.
https://fsl.virginia.edu/frequently-asked-questions

Which means ~46% of 2nd-4th year students.

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Anonymous wrote:^Also, its 35-40% despite Freshman not being allowed to rush until second semester, so really its about 40-46%. That's not including those that only join Greek Life in sophomore year, so at upper levels its 50%+ and not being in Greek Life means you are likely the odd one out.

This is less pronounced in engineering though.

Utterly and totally false. my DC just graduated. Figure is 35% not 50% it what figure the person who didn’t get in wants to claim. They probably went to Wash & Lee where 86 percent participate. google it. You can go all four years as my DC did, have a great group of friends, get into a great grad school and never o ce set foot in a Greek house since they are off campus on Rugby Road.

Ask your kids to help you with the math. This is more their turf.

35% of all undergraduates = X% of 3rd & 4th year students

why are you not including 2nd years... they rush Feb of 2nd year... so they are technically greek at that point. I'm simply asking because I am NOT good at math LOL

Sorry - on that first post I forgot to add the 2nd year in my comment.

But when I typed it out again here, I did include them:
If 1st years can't rush, then that makes it ~46% of 2nd-4th year students (AKA the equivalent to 35% of all students).

uh USN&WRWR puts it at 35%; other publications put it at only 30%. That’s what I’m going with.

Anonymous wrote:Do we count engineering fraternities such as Theta Tau as part of the "Greek" life?

Let's not forget Trigon.

Do we count engineering fraternities such as Theta Tau as part of the "Greek" life?

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Anonymous wrote:^Also, its 35-40% despite Freshman not being allowed to rush until second semester, so really its about 40-46%. That's not including those that only join Greek Life in sophomore year, so at upper levels its 50%+ and not being in Greek Life means you are likely the odd one out.

This is less pronounced in engineering though.

Utterly and totally false. my DC just graduated. Figure is 35% not 50% it what figure the person who didn’t get in wants to claim. They probably went to Wash & Lee where 86 percent participate. google it. You can go all four years as my DC did, have a great group of friends, get into a great grad school and never o ce set foot in a Greek house since they are off campus on Rugby Road.

Ask your kids to help you with the math. This is more their turf.

35% of all undergraduates = X% of 3rd & 4th year students

why are you not including 2nd years... they rush Feb of 2nd year... so they are technically greek at that point. I'm simply asking because I am NOT good at math LOL

Sorry - on that first post I forgot to add the 2nd year in my comment.

But when I typed it out again here, I did include them:
If 1st years can't rush, then that makes it ~46% of 2nd-4th year students (AKA the equivalent to 35% of all students).

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Anonymous wrote:^Also, its 35-40% despite Freshman not being allowed to rush until second semester, so really its about 40-46%. That's not including those that only join Greek Life in sophomore year, so at upper levels its 50%+ and not being in Greek Life means you are likely the odd one out.

This is less pronounced in engineering though.

Utterly and totally false. my DC just graduated. Figure is 35% not 50% it what figure the person who didn’t get in wants to claim. They probably went to Wash & Lee where 86 percent participate. google it. You can go all four years as my DC did, have a great group of friends, get into a great grad school and never o ce set foot in a Greek house since they are off campus on Rugby Road.

Ask your kids to help you with the math. This is more their turf.

35% of all undergraduates = X% of 3rd & 4th year students

why are you not including 2nd years... they rush Feb of 2nd year... so they are technically greek at that point. I'm simply asking because I am NOT good at math LOL

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Anonymous wrote:^Also, its 35-40% despite Freshman not being allowed to rush until second semester, so really its about 40-46%. That's not including those that only join Greek Life in sophomore year, [b]so at upper levels its 50%+ and not being in Greek Life means you are likely the odd one out.
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This is less pronounced in engineering though.

Utterly and totally false. my DC just graduated. Figure is 35% not 50% it what figure the person who didn’t get in wants to claim. They probably went to Wash & Lee where 86 percent participate. google it. You can go all four years as my DC did, have a great group of friends, get into a great grad school and never o ce set foot in a Greek house since they are off campus on Rugby Road.

Boy, now the UVA bashers just out-right lie and hope no one notices or Googles.

Either you both didn't read that comment closely or you aren't very good at math. Ask a Theta Tau brother if you need some help here.

If 1st years can't rush, then that makes it ~46% of 2nd-4th year students (AKA the equivalent to 35% of all students).