So I guess all of the USWNT players will play in Europe instead of the NWSL:

https://www.nwslsoccer.com/news/article/thorns-fc-sign-lindsey-horan-crystal-dunn?fbclid=IwAR2Eyd8-dw8uuNX8mTptq2XHoCtuLa_FROuVpzbsLRSM-_IYV6nak19FZkw

Love the, “not exactly Marta comment.” Why, because she doesn’t wear cheesy red lipstick and dribble too much?

Also love the non-athlete advocates. Please, go bowl or play golf and stay off the soccer boards.

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Anonymous wrote:No offense but look at Brazil (all of South America). Their best players, including the youth level, go to Europe. Talent is born there but it’s made professional by academies. Brazil only dominated the world soccer scene while Europe was fractured after WW2. Once it went through “de-socialism”, it has outperformed every continent many times over.

America doesn’t need Brazilian coaches, we want them from a romanticized memory of soccer. Europe is well beyond this, and are aware “street culture football” is dead. Think about it, kids really don’t play in the street anymore for anything. Instead, a focus on providing a professional environment for youth players to still be free, expressive, etc. That and they use data analytics. America (and South America) is nowhere near this.

Europe still wants Brazilian players because of their strong technical foundation. That is the point. Fine, they go to finishing school in Europe but they have the skills that attracts European clubs in the first place.

We don’t even bother with skills. Until kids are 9 and then they are a part of the club training. By then our players are years behind at best age to suck up skills like a sponge. While our 6-7 year olds are playing tag at local giant soccer club on a Saturday morning Brazilian kids are already juggling.

We lack the culture and passion to have mom and dad teaching their kids at the youngest ages. Instead we sign them up for a Saturday rec league 3-4 years to late. We then spend those years worrying about whether Mia will be in Sally’s team and who is supposed to bring the post game snack after running around a lawn for about 40 minutes of magnet ball.

You are correct about the culture and passion in the US vs nearly everywhere else in the world. However, the Brazilian boys that you mention are developed by professional clubs beginning at very young ages. These clubs are not developing players out of the goodness of their heart, but to make money. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/06/world/americas/brazil-soccer-fire.html

That development does not exist on the girls' side in Brazil. Macario is probably the biggest young talent to come from Brazil since Marta, and her parents made the decision to send her and her dad to the US at age 12 to get better training than what she would be able to receive in Brazil.

Who claimed that their motives are altruistic? This is a business in Europe and solidarity payments are the currency. There is real money to be earned by developing players to their potential. THere is also little patience as well. Kids are discarded as well.

Real money for developing boys. There is no money for developing girls.

I didn't claim that either, but the European academies don't charge the parents either. Regardless, the same solidarity payment rules apply to the women's game as well as the men's side. The American system is a amateur system and in time it will be surpassed in developing top talent.

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Anonymous wrote:No offense but look at Brazil (all of South America). Their best players, including the youth level, go to Europe. Talent is born there but it’s made professional by academies. Brazil only dominated the world soccer scene while Europe was fractured after WW2. Once it went through “de-socialism”, it has outperformed every continent many times over.

America doesn’t need Brazilian coaches, we want them from a romanticized memory of soccer. Europe is well beyond this, and are aware “street culture football” is dead. Think about it, kids really don’t play in the street anymore for anything. Instead, a focus on providing a professional environment for youth players to still be free, expressive, etc. That and they use data analytics. America (and South America) is nowhere near this.

Europe still wants Brazilian players because of their strong technical foundation. That is the point. Fine, they go to finishing school in Europe but they have the skills that attracts European clubs in the first place.

We don’t even bother with skills. Until kids are 9 and then they are a part of the club training. By then our players are years behind at best age to suck up skills like a sponge. While our 6-7 year olds are playing tag at local giant soccer club on a Saturday morning Brazilian kids are already juggling.

We lack the culture and passion to have mom and dad teaching their kids at the youngest ages. Instead we sign them up for a Saturday rec league 3-4 years to late. We then spend those years worrying about whether Mia will be in Sally’s team and who is supposed to bring the post game snack after running around a lawn for about 40 minutes of magnet ball.

You are correct about the culture and passion in the US vs nearly everywhere else in the world. However, the Brazilian boys that you mention are developed by professional clubs beginning at very young ages. These clubs are not developing players out of the goodness of their heart, but to make money. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/06/world/americas/brazil-soccer-fire.html

That development does not exist on the girls' side in Brazil. Macario is probably the biggest young talent to come from Brazil since Marta, and her parents made the decision to send her and her dad to the US at age 12 to get better training than what she would be able to receive in Brazil.

Who claimed that their motives are altruistic? This is a business in Europe and solidarity payments are the currency. There is real money to be earned by developing players to their potential. THere is also little patience as well. Kids are discarded as well.

Real money for developing boys. There is no money for developing girls.

My guess is that Gus put in the "we should hire more Brazilian coaches" idea which has now been soundly defeated here.

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Anonymous wrote:No offense but look at Brazil (all of South America). Their best players, including the youth level, go to Europe. Talent is born there but it’s made professional by academies. Brazil only dominated the world soccer scene while Europe was fractured after WW2. Once it went through “de-socialism”, it has outperformed every continent many times over.

America doesn’t need Brazilian coaches, we want them from a romanticized memory of soccer. Europe is well beyond this, and are aware “street culture football” is dead. Think about it, kids really don’t play in the street anymore for anything. Instead, a focus on providing a professional environment for youth players to still be free, expressive, etc. That and they use data analytics. America (and South America) is nowhere near this.

Europe still wants Brazilian players because of their strong technical foundation. That is the point. Fine, they go to finishing school in Europe but they have the skills that attracts European clubs in the first place.

We don’t even bother with skills. Until kids are 9 and then they are a part of the club training. By then our players are years behind at best age to suck up skills like a sponge. While our 6-7 year olds are playing tag at local giant soccer club on a Saturday morning Brazilian kids are already juggling.

We lack the culture and passion to have mom and dad teaching their kids at the youngest ages. Instead we sign them up for a Saturday rec league 3-4 years to late. We then spend those years worrying about whether Mia will be in Sally’s team and who is supposed to bring the post game snack after running around a lawn for about 40 minutes of magnet ball.

You are correct about the culture and passion in the US vs nearly everywhere else in the world. However, the Brazilian boys that you mention are developed by professional clubs beginning at very young ages. These clubs are not developing players out of the goodness of their heart, but to make money. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/06/world/americas/brazil-soccer-fire.html

That development does not exist on the girls' side in Brazil. Macario is probably the biggest young talent to come from Brazil since Marta, and her parents made the decision to send her and her dad to the US at age 12 to get better training than what she would be able to receive in Brazil.

Who claimed that their motives are altruistic? This is a business in Europe and solidarity payments are the currency. There is real money to be earned by developing players to their potential. THere is also little patience as well. Kids are discarded as well.

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Anonymous wrote:No offense but look at Brazil (all of South America). Their best players, including the youth level, go to Europe. Talent is born there but it’s made professional by academies. Brazil only dominated the world soccer scene while Europe was fractured after WW2. Once it went through “de-socialism”, it has outperformed every continent many times over.

America doesn’t need Brazilian coaches, we want them from a romanticized memory of soccer. Europe is well beyond this, and are aware “street culture football” is dead. Think about it, kids really don’t play in the street anymore for anything. Instead, a focus on providing a professional environment for youth players to still be free, expressive, etc. That and they use data analytics. America (and South America) is nowhere near this.

Europe still wants Brazilian players because of their strong technical foundation. That is the point. Fine, they go to finishing school in Europe but they have the skills that attracts European clubs in the first place.

We don’t even bother with skills. Until kids are 9 and then they are a part of the club training. By then our players are years behind at best age to suck up skills like a sponge. While our 6-7 year olds are playing tag at local giant soccer club on a Saturday morning Brazilian kids are already juggling.

We lack the culture and passion to have mom and dad teaching their kids at the youngest ages. Instead we sign them up for a Saturday rec league 3-4 years to late. We then spend those years worrying about whether Mia will be in Sally’s team and who is supposed to bring the post game snack after running around a lawn for about 40 minutes of magnet ball.

You are correct about the culture and passion in the US vs nearly everywhere else in the world. However, the Brazilian boys that you mention are developed by professional clubs beginning at very young ages. These clubs are not developing players out of the goodness of their heart, but to make money. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/06/world/americas/brazil-soccer-fire.html

That development does not exist on the girls' side in Brazil. Macario is probably the biggest young talent to come from Brazil since Marta, and her parents made the decision to send her and her dad to the US at age 12 to get better training than what she would be able to receive in Brazil.

Anonymous wrote:No offense but look at Brazil (all of South America). Their best players, including the youth level, go to Europe. Talent is born there but it’s made professional by academies. Brazil only dominated the world soccer scene while Europe was fractured after WW2. Once it went through “de-socialism”, it has outperformed every continent many times over.

America doesn’t need Brazilian coaches, we want them from a romanticized memory of soccer. Europe is well beyond this, and are aware “street culture football” is dead. Think about it, kids really don’t play in the street anymore for anything. Instead, a focus on providing a professional environment for youth players to still be free, expressive, etc. That and they use data analytics. America (and South America) is nowhere near this.

Europe still wants Brazilian players because of their strong technical foundation. That is the point. Fine, they go to finishing school in Europe but they have the skills that attracts European clubs in the first place.

We don’t even bother with skills. Until kids are 9 and then they are a part of the club training. By then our players are years behind at best age to suck up skills like a sponge. While our 6-7 year olds are playing tag at local giant soccer club on a Saturday morning Brazilian kids are already juggling.

We lack the culture and passion to have mom and dad teaching their kids at the youngest ages. Instead we sign them up for a Saturday rec league 3-4 years to late. We then spend those years worrying about whether Mia will be in Sally’s team and who is supposed to bring the post game snack after running around a lawn for about 40 minutes of magnet ball.

Anonymous wrote:No offense but look at Brazil (all of South America). Their best players, including the youth level, go to Europe. Talent is born there but it’s made professional by academies. Brazil only dominated the world soccer scene while Europe was fractured after WW2. Once it went through “de-socialism”, it has outperformed every continent many times over.

America doesn’t need Brazilian coaches, we want them from a romanticized memory of soccer. Europe is well beyond this, and are aware “street culture football” is dead. Think about it, kids really don’t play in the street anymore for anything. Instead, a focus on providing a professional environment for youth players to still be free, expressive, etc. That and they use data analytics. America (and South America) is nowhere near this.

For the foreseeable future, it is pointless comparing the professional system of developing male soccer players to female players. The financial incentive for clubs to develop male players, and transfer their rights in exchange for a transfer fee, has been built over the last 100+ years. It is great that people are investing more money in women's professional soccer, but it is a generation or more behind the current men's game. According to FIFA's most recent reporting for the 2018 year, there were 15,049 international transfers of male players with fees totaling US$7.1 billion, and 577 international transfers of female players for US$493,235. Long way of saying, there is currently almost ZERO financial incentive for any professional club, whether in Europe or anywhere else in the world, to develop girls players. And unfortunately, that is not going to change any time in the foreseeable future and may never change. As a result, let's talk about other, more practical ways of developing the current generation of female youth soccer players, including the next generation of the WNT.

Does it seem odd that the Brazilians hired Pia if their coaches are the real deal?

No offense but look at Brazil (all of South America). Their best players, including the youth level, go to Europe. Talent is born there but it’s made professional by academies. Brazil only dominated the world soccer scene while Europe was fractured after WW2. Once it went through “de-socialism”, it has outperformed every continent many times over.

America doesn’t need Brazilian coaches, we want them from a romanticized memory of soccer. Europe is well beyond this, and are aware “street culture football” is dead. Think about it, kids really don’t play in the street anymore for anything. Instead, a focus on providing a professional environment for youth players to still be free, expressive, etc. That and they use data analytics. America (and South America) is nowhere near this.

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Anonymous wrote:^ Frankly, in order for US Youth Soccer players to improve is to hire Brazilian or coaches that focuses on technical development. But first, parents need to understand the value to technical skills and NOT on winning.

If we read on countless threads here in DCUM, parents constantly argue which team or clubs have higher rankings, wins, etc. Parents are only focused on wins. Hence, in order to please parents, coaches bring on big/fast players to get immediate results.

My point is that the parents’ winning mentally need to stop in order for US soccer to change.

You’re proposing we hire more Brazilian coaches?

I think his real point is to focus on a true foundation of skills at the youngest ages. Even the very first age groups at rev soccer seem to spend more time playing sharks and minnows grabbing pinnies than time spent getting comfortable with a soccer ball.

Anonymous wrote:^ Frankly, in order for US Youth Soccer players to improve is to hire Brazilian or coaches that focuses on technical development. But first, parents need to understand the value to technical skills and NOT on winning.

If we read on countless threads here in DCUM, parents constantly argue which team or clubs have higher rankings, wins, etc. Parents are only focused on wins. Hence, in order to please parents, coaches bring on big/fast players to get immediate results.

My point is that the parents’ winning mentally need to stop in order for US soccer to change.

You’re proposing we hire more Brazilian coaches?