Anonymous
Post 02/19/2021 11:53     Subject: I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s
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Anonymous wrote:This thread is everything that is wrong with liberals. There is zero space for education and/or growth. It doesn't matter in what decade OP said or did anything that may be misconstrued in today's era. The point is that she has reevaluated and learned. I always thought that was the ultimate goal. But no, for most liberals, its to burn everyone at the stake and come out on top in the self-congratulatory, woke Olympics.

OP, you're fine. Education, reformation and reevaluating our former selves should be the goal. The cancel loons are what is wrong with society.


Please do show us one person cancelled for things they said as a middle schooler. Just one example.


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/education/2020/06/04/cheerleader-who-used-racial-slur-will-not-attend-university-of-tennessee/3147231001/


She didn't say these things as a middle schooler - it was a recent occurrence. All the examples people have provided so far, high school included, aren't from the 90s, before we "knew better".


It was not recent, it was three years earlier when she was 15. The guy who made it viral sat on it until it would do the most damage.


3 years is pretty recent. It was not the 90s.
Anonymous
Post 02/19/2021 11:53     Subject: Re:I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s
All you can change is your actions now, right OP? I remember a lot of anti-asian racism in my ES. People made fun of the smells of some kids' lunches, did the slanted eye thing you describe, and bad fake accents. I think by the 90s when I was in high school this was not as acceptable, but I also went to a pretty progressive school on the west coast, so I would not be surprised if elsewhere it was still pervasive. DH has been involved in hockey (used to be at a high level, now recreational and coaching) since the 80s and said that locker room pejorative use of gay only really stopped in the last 5-10 years. With all of these things there's also a time period where a majority have realized that it's wrong but a sizeable group still do it and I think it takes a while for the peer pressure to stamp out the rest.
Anonymous
Post 02/19/2021 11:50     Subject: Re:I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s
Anonymous wrote:We keep fighting about cancel culture, but we do not have a collective definition of what it is. Currently, it appears cancel culture only applies when white people or conservatives are being held to account for their racist/xeno/transphobic/crappy actions and views. Meanwhile, both groups historically (and currently) hold the power to actually cancel people in a meaningful way.

All this faux "free speech"/cancel culture outrage only apply to the same situations. The root of the issue: "When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression".






It is precisely this nausea inducing drivel that causes the problems in the first place. What in the world about canceling someone or intolerance for teenage behavior actually leads to equality? Stop posting quotes that you found on Instagram and figure out what actually solves the issue. Education, forgiveness and reformation do, not cancellation. You posting IG quotes is just virtue signaling.
Anonymous
Post 02/19/2021 11:50     Subject: Re:I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Black folks have been "cancelled" for largely just existing for over a century. Now we are suppose to care if folks with a racist past have to take heat for their views? Now you are mildly inconvenienced and *now* "cancel culture" is a problem?


So, using a term as a teenager that you now view as racist or discriminatory makes you a racist? That's a slippery slope.


I guess if you enjoy building strawman examples to argue against points that I didn't make, it would be a slippery slope.
Anonymous
Post 02/19/2021 11:47     Subject: Re:I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s
We keep fighting about cancel culture, but we do not have a collective definition of what it is. Currently, it appears cancel culture only applies when white people or conservatives are being held to account for their racist/xeno/transphobic/crappy actions and views. Meanwhile, both groups historically (and currently) hold the power to actually cancel people in a meaningful way.

All this faux "free speech"/cancel culture outrage only apply to the same situations. The root of the issue: "When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression".




Anonymous
Post 02/19/2021 11:44     Subject: I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This thread is everything that is wrong with liberals. There is zero space for education and/or growth. It doesn't matter in what decade OP said or did anything that may be misconstrued in today's era. The point is that she has reevaluated and learned. I always thought that was the ultimate goal. But no, for most liberals, its to burn everyone at the stake and come out on top in the self-congratulatory, woke Olympics.

OP, you're fine. Education, reformation and reevaluating our former selves should be the goal. The cancel loons are what is wrong with society.


Please do show us one person cancelled for things they said as a middle schooler. Just one example.


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/education/2020/06/04/cheerleader-who-used-racial-slur-will-not-attend-university-of-tennessee/3147231001/


She didn't say these things as a middle schooler - it was a recent occurrence. All the examples people have provided so far, high school included, aren't from the 90s, before we "knew better".


It was not recent, it was three years earlier when she was 15. The guy who made it viral sat on it until it would do the most damage.
Anonymous
Post 02/19/2021 11:43     Subject: Re:I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s
Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Black folks have been "cancelled" for largely just existing for over a century. Now we are suppose to care if folks with a racist past have to take heat for their views? Now you are mildly inconvenienced and *now* "cancel culture" is a problem?


So, using a term as a teenager that you now view as racist or discriminatory makes you a racist? That's a slippery slope.
Anonymous
Post 02/19/2021 11:39     Subject: Re:I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s
Interesting. Black folks have been "cancelled" for largely just existing for over a century. Now we are suppose to care if folks with a racist past have to take heat for their views? Now you are mildly inconvenienced and *now* "cancel culture" is a problem?





Anonymous
Post 02/19/2021 11:35     Subject: I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for an example of someone getting "cancelled" for something they said in middle school or high school.


If you’re expanding to HS - there are plenty. Here’s one.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/us/mimi-groves-jimmy-galligan-racial-slurs.amp.html


This has nothing to do with OP's post. It's not from the 90s. It's from a few years ago, when people should already know better.


That's right. Because teenagers never make mistakes. They never need to grow and learn. We were all perfect teenagers ourselves having never done anything stupid in high school. Stop being terrible. No one can meet your standards of perfection. It doesn't matter if it was now or then. Give people - especially young adults - the opportunity to learn from mistakes without destroying them.
Anonymous
Post 02/19/2021 11:33     Subject: I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s
Sarah Silverman puts out something every other day, saying she wishes she could take back so many things she's said during skits. I'm guessing taking accountability, apologizing, being an active voice now - not waiting for it to come back and bite you - is what it takes to not be cancelled.
Anonymous
Post 02/19/2021 11:33     Subject: I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s
Anonymous wrote:You should be cancelled. Your family should lose everything. Ideally you’ll live starving under a bridge while repenting for your sins. Your children should suffer, too.

NOT.

Cancel culture is turning me into a Republican. It’s enough.


Agreed. I am a liberal and agree with approximately zero on the Right, but I can no longer take the wokeness of the Left. And I worked in human rights previously. The Left is as rabid, if not more so, than the far right conservatives.
Anonymous
Post 02/19/2021 11:31     Subject: I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for an example of someone getting "cancelled" for something they said in middle school or high school.


If you’re expanding to HS - there are plenty. Here’s one.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/us/mimi-groves-jimmy-galligan-racial-slurs.amp.html


This has nothing to do with OP's post. It's not from the 90s. It's from a few years ago, when people should already know better.
Anonymous
Post 02/19/2021 11:30     Subject: I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s
Anonymous wrote:Blackface on 30 Rock
Blackface on Jimmy Kimmel
Michael Scott’s “Ping” character on the Office
The entire Diversity episode of Office season 1
Gay jokes on Friends
The Black Awareness rally in Coming to America
Roseanne “some big ole dyke”
West Wing affirmative action episode
American Pie secret filming of a high school girl undressing
Every Asian teen character ever (Long Duck Dong!)
Virtually every sketch from Chapelle Show
Same for South Park
Al Bundy
Chasing Amy - I wanna call the Whalers a bunch of f**s in the privacy of my own home
Jay and Silent Bob
Charlie Tweeder in Varsity Blues

On and on and on. These are not obscure references. This is lock stock and barrel mainstream pop culture, much of it more recent that OP’s childhood. And none of it would fly now. Things change.

You can’t blame anyone for not being a complete alien untethered to their own time, place, and community. We’re not living now by whatever code is likely to be regarded as decent and moral 100 years from now.

Not only can you not blame them. There is no moral fault at all in any of this. I for one wish we could go back to a time when everyone wasn’t so sensitive. But carry on with your totalitarian dystopia. It’ll be super enjoyable for everyone.


Your longing for the good old days is quite clear.
Anonymous
Post 02/19/2021 11:29     Subject: I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This thread is everything that is wrong with liberals. There is zero space for education and/or growth. It doesn't matter in what decade OP said or did anything that may be misconstrued in today's era. The point is that she has reevaluated and learned. I always thought that was the ultimate goal. But no, for most liberals, its to burn everyone at the stake and come out on top in the self-congratulatory, woke Olympics.

OP, you're fine. Education, reformation and reevaluating our former selves should be the goal. The cancel loons are what is wrong with society.


Please do show us one person cancelled for things they said as a middle schooler. Just one example.


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/education/2020/06/04/cheerleader-who-used-racial-slur-will-not-attend-university-of-tennessee/3147231001/


She didn't say these things as a middle schooler - it was a recent occurrence. All the examples people have provided so far, high school included, aren't from the 90s, before we "knew better".
Anonymous
Post 02/19/2021 11:25     Subject: I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s
Anonymous wrote:Blackface on 30 Rock
Blackface on Jimmy Kimmel
Michael Scott’s “Ping” character on the Office
The entire Diversity episode of Office season 1
Gay jokes on Friends
The Black Awareness rally in Coming to America
Roseanne “some big ole dyke”
West Wing affirmative action episode
American Pie secret filming of a high school girl undressing
Every Asian teen character ever (Long Duck Dong!)
Virtually every sketch from Chapelle Show
Same for South Park
Al Bundy
Chasing Amy - I wanna call the Whalers a bunch of f**s in the privacy of my own home
Jay and Silent Bob
Charlie Tweeder in Varsity Blues

On and on and on. These are not obscure references. This is lock stock and barrel mainstream pop culture, much of it more recent that OP’s childhood. And none of it would fly now. Things change.

You can’t blame anyone for not being a complete alien untethered to their own time, place, and community. We’re not living now by whatever code is likely to be regarded as decent and moral 100 years from now.

Not only can you not blame them. There is no moral fault at all in any of this. I for one wish we could go back to a time when everyone wasn’t so sensitive. But carry on with your totalitarian dystopia. It’ll be super enjoyable for everyone.


Almost every single example you use was deliberate and/or ironic. Not oblivious. It's like it still goes over your head.