Anonymous
01/27/2021 16:33
Subject: Teachers who have been DL for a year - tell us what you haven't had to put up with
Anonymous wrote:I'll start with the things that no longer disrupt learning time.
- No breaks to pull kids and write them up for foul language
- No physical bullying in the halls
- No more need to monitor physical interactions in-between classes or while another teacher is on break
- No disruptive behavior that isn't immediately identified
This is the real reason schools are closed. Teachers aren’t afraid of Covid—they hate their jobs.
Anonymous
01/26/2021 21:56
Subject: Re:Teachers who have been DL for a year - tell us what you haven't had to put up with
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People put way too much on schools. Schools cannot be parents. If your child is depressed for whatever reason, it is your responsibility to get them help. If they miss their friends, it is your job to find safe ways to socialize. Schools are for academics. That is their role. If your kid is sad, bored, misses her friends, that's your job to help her. It's not her school's job.
Whew so either you're not a teacher or you didn't pay attention in any of our classes where they went over the multiple social roles of public education.
Nope. Teachers I know want to teach. Not be social workers, counselors and other roles that should exist outside of school. Your kid has mental health issues? Go find a counselor. Your kid needs to socialize? Go call some friends.
Yup. It is absolutely not the teacher’s role to be a counselor, a social liaison, or an entertainer. As a parent, you are exclusively responsible for your own children. Find a therapist, socialize with your children, encourage them to zoom with their friends or do outdoor activities. Those things have nothing to do with education.
I’m honestly confused by this argument. I get that, right now, schools are closed and kids are home either with their parents or caretakers (or alone), but in normal times, a lot of kids spend more waking hours during the week at school, after school, or on sports teams than they do with their own parents. So how can you possibly say that schools have no social responsibility to help shape and look out for kids?
DP (a parent) You really think the schools and teachers bear a greater responsibility than we do as parents? I think the PP you're responding to was blunt but I agree with her perspective. As parents we bear the full responsibility for our children and their health, mental health or physical health. It isn't the school's role.
Anonymous
01/26/2021 20:58
Subject: Re:Teachers who have been DL for a year - tell us what you haven't had to put up with
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People put way too much on schools. Schools cannot be parents. If your child is depressed for whatever reason, it is your responsibility to get them help. If they miss their friends, it is your job to find safe ways to socialize. Schools are for academics. That is their role. If your kid is sad, bored, misses her friends, that's your job to help her. It's not her school's job.
Whew so either you're not a teacher or you didn't pay attention in any of our classes where they went over the multiple social roles of public education.
Basic inbred parent detected. Also probably thinks big government works too. Lol
Anonymous
01/26/2021 20:23
Subject: Re:Teachers who have been DL for a year - tell us what you haven't had to put up with
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really hope this is a troll thread, because it seems designed to make parents think teachers are assholes.
I hope you're right. I was fearing that it was real. But this must be a troll thread.
I don’t think it is... I’m not sure why someone would start this given all the dumping on teachers.
Teachers are parents too. Maybe they don't deserve to be dumped on. Maybe some of the changes can be celebrated - because they certainly have been complained about for years.
You couldn't throw a rock before 2020 on DCUM without hitting a post complaining about overcrowded schools, children in trailers, too much focus on 'problem' kids in class, not enough authority figures overseeing instruction, no focus on getting more curriculum taught.
Now all of that has been solved.
Now parents are told that they cannot complain because their kids have it better than Anne Frank.
Anonymous
01/26/2021 20:23
Subject: Re:Teachers who have been DL for a year - tell us what you haven't had to put up with
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People put way too much on schools. Schools cannot be parents. If your child is depressed for whatever reason, it is your responsibility to get them help. If they miss their friends, it is your job to find safe ways to socialize. Schools are for academics. That is their role. If your kid is sad, bored, misses her friends, that's your job to help her. It's not her school's job.
Whew so either you're not a teacher or you didn't pay attention in any of our classes where they went over the multiple social roles of public education.
PP, it's an uncertified private school teacher. She didn't have to take those classes.
Anonymous
01/26/2021 19:58
Subject: Re:Teachers who have been DL for a year - tell us what you haven't had to put up with
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really hope this is a troll thread, because it seems designed to make parents think teachers are assholes.
I hope you're right. I was fearing that it was real. But this must be a troll thread.
I don’t think it is... I’m not sure why someone would start this given all the dumping on teachers.
Teachers are parents too. Maybe they don't deserve to be dumped on. Maybe some of the changes can be celebrated - because they certainly have been complained about for years.
You couldn't throw a rock before 2020 on DCUM without hitting a post complaining about overcrowded schools, children in trailers, too much focus on 'problem' kids in class, not enough authority figures overseeing instruction, no focus on getting more curriculum taught.
Now all of that has been solved.
Anonymous
01/26/2021 19:57
Subject: Re:Teachers who have been DL for a year - tell us what you haven't had to put up with
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People put way too much on schools. Schools cannot be parents. If your child is depressed for whatever reason, it is your responsibility to get them help. If they miss their friends, it is your job to find safe ways to socialize. Schools are for academics. That is their role. If your kid is sad, bored, misses her friends, that's your job to help her. It's not her school's job.
Whew so either you're not a teacher or you didn't pay attention in any of our classes where they went over the multiple social roles of public education.
And yet private schoo students go years without getting these things.
Private school kids are in school. They get these things every day.
Anonymous
01/26/2021 19:56
Subject: Re:Teachers who have been DL for a year - tell us what you haven't had to put up with
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People put way too much on schools. Schools cannot be parents. If your child is depressed for whatever reason, it is your responsibility to get them help. If they miss their friends, it is your job to find safe ways to socialize. Schools are for academics. That is their role. If your kid is sad, bored, misses her friends, that's your job to help her. It's not her school's job.
Whew so either you're not a teacher or you didn't pay attention in any of our classes where they went over the multiple social roles of public education.
Nope. Teachers I know want to teach. Not be social workers, counselors and other roles that should exist outside of school. Your kid has mental health issues? Go find a counselor. Your kid needs to socialize? Go call some friends.
Yup. It is absolutely not the teacher’s role to be a counselor, a social liaison, or an entertainer. As a parent, you are exclusively responsible for your own children. Find a therapist, socialize with your children, encourage them to zoom with their friends or do outdoor activities. Those things have nothing to do with education.
I’m honestly confused by this argument. I get that, right now, schools are closed and kids are home either with their parents or caretakers (or alone), but in normal times, a lot of kids spend more waking hours during the week at school, after school, or on sports teams than they do with their own parents. So how can you possibly say that schools have no social responsibility to help shape and look out for kids?
Anonymous
01/26/2021 19:52
Subject: Re:Teachers who have been DL for a year - tell us what you haven't had to put up with
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really hope this is a troll thread, because it seems designed to make parents think teachers are assholes.
I hope you're right. I was fearing that it was real. But this must be a troll thread.
I don’t think it is... I’m not sure why someone would start this given all the dumping on teachers.
Anonymous
01/26/2021 19:46
Subject: Re:Teachers who have been DL for a year - tell us what you haven't had to put up with
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People put way too much on schools. Schools cannot be parents. If your child is depressed for whatever reason, it is your responsibility to get them help. If they miss their friends, it is your job to find safe ways to socialize. Schools are for academics. That is their role. If your kid is sad, bored, misses her friends, that's your job to help her. It's not her school's job.
Whew so either you're not a teacher or you didn't pay attention in any of our classes where they went over the multiple social roles of public education.
And yet private schoo students go years without getting these things.
Anonymous
01/26/2021 19:44
Subject: Re:Teachers who have been DL for a year - tell us what you haven't had to put up with
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Was this a private school? If it was a public school I would have walked those kids up to the office and left them there with the Principal. This was not acceptable that you had to stay. As soon as your contract hours were over you should have left.Anonymous wrote:Last year, I lost my second job because there were 3-4 parents who would pick their kids up late every day. I had to wait with the students until their parents showed up. My after-school job fired me because I was late too often. I've been able to tutor online for the last few months and it has helped with my bills.
No. It was public school. By the time we come back inside from waiting for parents outside, admin is usually gone. Sometimes a counselor or social worker was in the office and would offer to wait with the kids but that was rare. They knew they could be there for a while. But if I left the kids alone, I probably would've lost my job (and I wouldn't do that to them). I was quite tempted to load them in my car and take them to work with me. I would've left a message telling their parents to come pick them up where I worked.
You should have taken them back inside and handed them off. The principal and/or designee has the responsibility to stay, not you the teacher. They were taking advantage of you and honestly could have (should have) lost their jobs if you had reported them to their supervisor.
Not that poster, but at my school, the principal or AP can designate you to watch kids after school under “other duties otherwise undefined”. One AP used to put a boy in my classroom at 3:05 and tell me she would come get him at 3:20 so I could leave. She never came back sooner than 3:40. Once she thrust him in my room not knowing I had scheduled a meeting with a parent who was also a MSEA officer (state level). That parent took it from there and it never happened again.
Anonymous
01/26/2021 19:37
Subject: Re:Teachers who have been DL for a year - tell us what you haven't had to put up with
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People put way too much on schools. Schools cannot be parents. If your child is depressed for whatever reason, it is your responsibility to get them help. If they miss their friends, it is your job to find safe ways to socialize. Schools are for academics. That is their role. If your kid is sad, bored, misses her friends, that's your job to help her. It's not her school's job.
Whew so either you're not a teacher or you didn't pay attention in any of our classes where they went over the multiple social roles of public education.
Nope. Teachers I know want to teach. Not be social workers, counselors and other roles that should exist outside of school. Your kid has mental health issues? Go find a counselor. Your kid needs to socialize? Go call some friends.
Yup. It is absolutely not the teacher’s role to be a counselor, a social liaison, or an entertainer. As a parent, you are exclusively responsible for your own children. Find a therapist, socialize with your children, encourage them to zoom with their friends or do outdoor activities. Those things have nothing to do with education.
Anonymous
01/26/2021 19:09
Subject: Re:Teachers who have been DL for a year - tell us what you haven't had to put up with
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Was this a private school? If it was a public school I would have walked those kids up to the office and left them there with the Principal. This was not acceptable that you had to stay. As soon as your contract hours were over you should have left.Anonymous wrote:Last year, I lost my second job because there were 3-4 parents who would pick their kids up late every day. I had to wait with the students until their parents showed up. My after-school job fired me because I was late too often. I've been able to tutor online for the last few months and it has helped with my bills.
No. It was public school. By the time we come back inside from waiting for parents outside, admin is usually gone. Sometimes a counselor or social worker was in the office and would offer to wait with the kids but that was rare. They knew they could be there for a while. But if I left the kids alone, I probably would've lost my job (and I wouldn't do that to them). I was quite tempted to load them in my car and take them to work with me. I would've left a message telling their parents to come pick them up where I worked.
You should have taken them back inside and handed them off*. The principal and/or designee has the responsibility to stay, not you the teacher. They were taking advantage of you and honestly could have (should have) lost their jobs if you had reported them to their supervisor.
sorry, this got erased somehow *before the end of your contract hours.
Anonymous
01/26/2021 19:09
Subject: Re:Teachers who have been DL for a year - tell us what you haven't had to put up with
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Was this a private school? If it was a public school I would have walked those kids up to the office and left them there with the Principal. This was not acceptable that you had to stay. As soon as your contract hours were over you should have left.Anonymous wrote:Last year, I lost my second job because there were 3-4 parents who would pick their kids up late every day. I had to wait with the students until their parents showed up. My after-school job fired me because I was late too often. I've been able to tutor online for the last few months and it has helped with my bills.
No. It was public school. By the time we come back inside from waiting for parents outside, admin is usually gone. Sometimes a counselor or social worker was in the office and would offer to wait with the kids but that was rare. They knew they could be there for a while. But if I left the kids alone, I probably would've lost my job (and I wouldn't do that to them). I was quite tempted to load them in my car and take them to work with me. I would've left a message telling their parents to come pick them up where I worked.
You should have taken them back inside and handed them off. The principal and/or designee has the responsibility to stay, not you the teacher. They were taking advantage of you and honestly could have (should have) lost their jobs if you had reported them to their supervisor.
Anonymous
01/26/2021 19:08
Subject: Re:Teachers who have been DL for a year - tell us what you haven't had to put up with
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People put way too much on schools. Schools cannot be parents. If your child is depressed for whatever reason, it is your responsibility to get them help. If they miss their friends, it is your job to find safe ways to socialize. Schools are for academics. That is their role. If your kid is sad, bored, misses her friends, that's your job to help her. It's not her school's job.
Whew so either you're not a teacher or you didn't pay attention in any of our classes where they went over the multiple social roles of public education.
Nope. Teachers I know want to teach. Not be social workers, counselors and other roles that should exist outside of school. Your kid has mental health issues? Go find a counselor. Your kid needs to socialize? Go call some friends.