Anonymous wrote:Any way you tell it or re-tell it, the inevitable question must be: how can the land on which my house sits not be deemed stolen?

From the deer and dinosaurs.

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Anonymous wrote:Any way you tell it or re-tell it, the inevitable question must be: how can the land on which my house sits not be deemed stolen?

This is such a dead end argument. Land changes hands everywhere all the time since the beginning of time. This isn't unique to America.

Yes this. It isn’t racist it is survival of the fittest. Land is only yours if you have the means to keep it. Humans have been “taking” land from one another since the dawn of time, as does every other creature in the animal kingdom.

The above is a serious loser of an argument. Remember the 20th century?
social darwinism -> eugenics -> genocide

This whole exercise is futile. Nobody anywhere is going to give up their land, house, etc to whichever Native American tribe says to have owned it last. And then how can we be sure they were the one and only original habitants? How far back do we need to go and what proof would be needed? I'm not going to spend one second of time on Thanksgiving thinking about any of this. If I did I would end up looking for some Vikings or Normans who stole my ancient ancestors lands demanding some compensation.

Yeah that would be really complicated, but you are the only person on this thread going there. We are discussing how to present more realistic and factual information about the Thanksgiving story.

Most parents can anticipate the line of questioning that will follow such a conversation. So be prepared to answer the hard questions of what you plan to do about occupying stolen land. Then, enjoy your turkey dinner!

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Anonymous wrote:Any way you tell it or re-tell it, the inevitable question must be: how can the land on which my house sits not be deemed stolen?

This is such a dead end argument. Land changes hands everywhere all the time since the beginning of time. This isn't unique to America.

Yes this. It isn’t racist it is survival of the fittest. Land is only yours if you have the means to keep it. Humans have been “taking” land from one another since the dawn of time, as does every other creature in the animal kingdom.

The above is a serious loser of an argument. Remember the 20th century?
social darwinism -> eugenics -> genocide

This whole exercise is futile. Nobody anywhere is going to give up their land, house, etc to whichever Native American tribe says to have owned it last. And then how can we be sure they were the one and only original habitants? How far back do we need to go and what proof would be needed? I'm not going to spend one second of time on Thanksgiving thinking about any of this. If I did I would end up looking for some Vikings or Normans who stole my ancient ancestors lands demanding some compensation.

Yeah that would be really complicated, but you are the only person on this thread going there. We are discussing how to present more realistic and factual information about the Thanksgiving story.

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Anonymous wrote:Any way you tell it or re-tell it, the inevitable question must be: how can the land on which my house sits not be deemed stolen?

This is such a dead end argument. Land changes hands everywhere all the time since the beginning of time. This isn't unique to America.

Yes this. It isn’t racist it is survival of the fittest. Land is only yours if you have the means to keep it. Humans have been “taking” land from one another since the dawn of time, as does every other creature in the animal kingdom.

The above is a serious loser of an argument. Remember the 20th century?
social darwinism -> eugenics -> genocide

This whole exercise is futile. Nobody anywhere is going to give up their land, house, etc to whichever Native American tribe says to have owned it last. And then how can we be sure they were the one and only original habitants? How far back do we need to go and what proof would be needed? I'm not going to spend one second of time on Thanksgiving thinking about any of this. If I did I would end up looking for some Vikings or Normans who stole my ancient ancestors lands demanding some compensation.

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Anonymous wrote:Any way you tell it or re-tell it, the inevitable question must be: how can the land on which my house sits not be deemed stolen?

This is such a dead end argument. Land changes hands everywhere all the time since the beginning of time. This isn't unique to America.

Yes this. It isn’t racist it is survival of the fittest. Land is only yours if you have the means to keep it. Humans have been “taking” land from one another since the dawn of time, as does every other creature in the animal kingdom.

The above is a serious loser of an argument. Remember the 20th century?
social darwinism -> eugenics -> genocide

Anonymous wrote:Why? Its history. You are going to pretend it didn't happen?

Wanting a book that accurately portrays a historical event isn't the same thing as pretending the event didn't happen. It's kind of the opposite.

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I understand thanksgiving is a holiday that speaks to warm feelings and nostalgia for most Americans, but it is unexpectedly enlightening to see how many (including a professor of History) are incredibly offended about telling a famous story simply in a more accurate historical context. Also OP didn't say anything about this type of historical conflict being unique to the US, she just alluded to that fact that many books in the past have contained problematic images/words/themes of native americans, which is true.
I don't agree with everything about the BLM movement and the force that they have gained recently, but I feel like I now understand the support they have garnered when you have supposedly "woke liberals" pretending to care but of course only when it fits their comfortable narrative and self-image.

Anonymous wrote:Any way you tell it or re-tell it, the inevitable question must be: how can the land on which my house sits not be deemed stolen?

I paid for the land under my house. The previous owner freely sold it to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Any way you tell it or re-tell it, the inevitable question must be: how can the land on which my house sits not be deemed stolen?

This is such a dead end argument. Land changes hands everywhere all the time since the beginning of time. This isn't unique to America.

Yes this. It isn’t racist it is survival of the fittest. Land is only yours if you have the means to keep it. Humans have been “taking” land from one another since the dawn of time, as does every other creature in the animal kingdom.

Anonymous wrote:Any way you tell it or re-tell it, the inevitable question must be: how can the land on which my house sits not be deemed stolen?

This is such a dead end argument. Land changes hands everywhere all the time since the beginning of time. This isn't unique to America.

This article has some good resources from the Smithsonian Magazine: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/national-museum-american-indian/2020/11/14/five-ideas-teach-thanksgiving/?no_cache&fbclid=IwAR2xQ_FZwiUE4-Cz28p7bb7JoJaF2tf0rT3mayPqb-raSco4HWC6r5NqKDw

Any way you tell it or re-tell it, the inevitable question must be: how can the land on which my house sits not be deemed stolen?

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Anonymous wrote:Any ideas for a book on the origin of Thanksgiving that doesnt contain problematic images/words/themes of the native Americans? (Or of the Pilgrims, I guess, but that seems to be less pervasive.)

Thanks!

As a history professor at GW I'm truly interested in what you consider racist about the retelling of the Thanksgiving story.

I hope you’re joking, as it is obviously a whitewashed story about cooperation and good harmony between pilgrims and Native Americans. Telling the story about the meal without context is racist.

Anonymous wrote:Any ideas for a book on the origin of Thanksgiving that doesnt contain problematic images/words/themes of the native Americans? (Or of the Pilgrims, I guess, but that seems to be less pervasive.)

Thanks!

Go check out yor local Woke Library. You will find all the history you agree with under the "rank inorance" section.

Anonymous wrote:Any ideas for a book on the origin of Thanksgiving that doesnt contain problematic images/words/themes of the native Americans? (Or of the Pilgrims, I guess, but that seems to be less pervasive.)

Thanks!

As a history professor at GW I'm truly interested in what you consider racist about the retelling of the Thanksgiving story.