Anonymous
10/16/2020 23:53
Subject: Either find a way to open schools, or send me a stimulus check so I can pay for childcare.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Still not sure why OP things people should send them a check.
Probably because they are doing two full-time jobs for the price of one?
Oh wait. People keep telling me that "childcare" and "education" are totally separate and have nothing to do with each other.
Scratch that. THREE full time jobs for the price of one.
Your kids, your responsibility. Teachers are handling the education.
Haha- are you actually trying to suggest that a kindergarten/first grade child’s educational needs can be adequately handled via zoom? I guarantee you that for the very early elementary students either parents are the ones actually covering 75% + of the educational content or the kids are just being left behind.
That's pretty typical during in person learning. Kids whose parents support and work with them at home do far better.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 23:52
Subject: Re:Either find a way to open schools, or send me a stimulus check so I can pay for childcare.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I love how 2020 has exposed parents.
Its all hugs and rainbows and 'children fill a void' until you actually have to take care of and watch them 24/7, 7 days a week.
Now its 'I'm going to be hospitalized if you don't get them out of here'.
And you wonder why the child-free and single are enjoying the pandemic so much?
No, it's until I have to take care of them and watch them 24/7, 7, while ALSO being their primary educator, while ALSO working 40-50 hours a week.
If the child free and single are enjoying a pandemic where 200k of their fellow citizens have died in the past 6 months, simply so they can gloat that they aren't struggling like everyone else is, that makes them (you?) sound pretty bad.
Come back to me about 'sounds pretty bad' after parents stop demanding buildings that house over 800,000 individuals 8 hours a day in boxes and are a petri dish ready to explode the community infection rates be re-opened.
Also google - White House Rose Garden Superspreader Event. Because that's exactly what happens when you get a confluence of children and adults in a room - Covid+ rates go up like a nuclear bomb went off.
The D.C. infection rate increased by 66% because of that one day. https://dcist.com/story/20/10/06/dc-highest-coronavirus-cases-daily-count-data/
So what's your take on bars, restaurants, malls, gyms, non essential stores and businesses being open for adults?
All of those things, including public pools and public parks, don't have a group of 20-30 individuals gathered together in the equivalent of a 100-square foot box for 8 hours in a day.
It allows free flowing individuals and surges of family units to partake in short bursts of buying (usually in less than half hour intervals) and/or outside eating or severely restricted indoor eating.
If you told me you could open classrooms with one teacher and five students and each student would be 15 feet apart and classes would be restricted to just an hour a day. Sure.
But all day in tanks while breathing the same air with hundreds to thousands of students in one building? No.
And yet, restaurants and bars, not schools, are the primary source of spread outside the home and large gatherings like parties and weddings. So, sort of irrelevant whether it’s a “tank” or whatever with hundreds of people in it. The epidemiological data doesn’t support your hypothesis. That’s sort of how science works. At some point, you need to change your views to match up with reality.
You're kidding right? The infection rate has skyrocketed among kids as schools have re-opened in the South and Midwest.
There has been a 90% increase in Covid-19 cases in US children in the last four weeks, report says
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/health/covid-19-children-cases-rising-wellness/index.html
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/
Approximately 56 million school-aged children (aged 5–17 years) resumed education in the United States in fall 2020.* Analysis of demographic characteristics, underlying conditions, clinical outcomes, and trends in weekly coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) incidence during March 1–September 19, 2020 among 277,285 laboratory-confirmed cases in school-aged children in the United States might inform decisions about in-person learning and the timing and scaling of community mitigation measures. During May–September 2020, average weekly incidence (cases per 100,000 children) among adolescents aged 12–17 years (37.4) was approximately twice that of children aged 5–11 years (19.0).
Anonymous
10/16/2020 23:51
Subject: Either find a way to open schools, or send me a stimulus check so I can pay for childcare.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What do you consider middle class?
How did you pay for child care when they were little?
You need to figure it out and cut expenses or if you are low income there are vouchers.
Real middle class don't have health insurance.
Of course the real middle class can have health care. Do you really think teachers, factory workers, sanitation workers, social workers and the list goes on don’t have health care? What a ridiculous thing to say.
Can have it but not everyone can afford it. A two teacher family in this area is not middle class.
Sanitation workers who work private may not have insurance, county would.
Factory workers. Depends on the factory.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 23:48
Subject: Re:Either find a way to open schools, or send me a stimulus check so I can pay for childcare.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I love how 2020 has exposed parents.
Its all hugs and rainbows and 'children fill a void' until you actually have to take care of and watch them 24/7, 7 days a week.
Now its 'I'm going to be hospitalized if you don't get them out of here'.
And you wonder why the child-free and single are enjoying the pandemic so much?
No, it's until I have to take care of them and watch them 24/7, 7, while ALSO being their primary educator, while ALSO working 40-50 hours a week.
If the child free and single are enjoying a pandemic where 200k of their fellow citizens have died in the past 6 months, simply so they can gloat that they aren't struggling like everyone else is, that makes them (you?) sound pretty bad.
Come back to me about 'sounds pretty bad' after parents stop demanding buildings that house over 800,000 individuals 8 hours a day in boxes and are a petri dish ready to explode the community infection rates be re-opened.
Also google - White House Rose Garden Superspreader Event. Because that's exactly what happens when you get a confluence of children and adults in a room - Covid+ rates go up like a nuclear bomb went off.
The D.C. infection rate increased by 66% because of that one day. https://dcist.com/story/20/10/06/dc-highest-coronavirus-cases-daily-count-data/
So what's your take on bars, restaurants, malls, gyms, non essential stores and businesses being open for adults?
All of those things, including public pools and public parks, don't have a group of 20-30 individuals gathered together in the equivalent of a 100-square foot box for 8 hours in a day.
It allows free flowing individuals and surges of family units to partake in short bursts of buying (usually in less than half hour intervals) and/or outside eating or severely restricted indoor eating.
If you told me you could open classrooms with one teacher and five students and each student would be 15 feet apart and classes would be restricted to just an hour a day. Sure.
But all day in tanks while breathing the same air with hundreds to thousands of students in one building? No.
And yet, restaurants and bars, not schools, are the primary source of spread outside the home and large gatherings like parties and weddings. So, sort of irrelevant whether it’s a “tank” or whatever with hundreds of people in it. The epidemiological data doesn’t support your hypothesis. That’s sort of how science works. At some point, you need to change your views to match up with reality.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 23:42
Subject: Either find a way to open schools, or send me a stimulus check so I can pay for childcare.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Still not sure why OP things people should send them a check.
Probably because they are doing two full-time jobs for the price of one?
Oh wait. People keep telling me that "childcare" and "education" are totally separate and have nothing to do with each other.
Scratch that. THREE full time jobs for the price of one.
Your kids, your responsibility. Teachers are handling the education.
Haha- are you actually trying to suggest that a kindergarten/first grade child’s educational needs can be adequately handled via zoom? I guarantee you that for the very early elementary students either parents are the ones actually covering 75% + of the educational content or the kids are just being left behind.
Exactly. I’m not sure why a PK3 DCPS teacher is getting paid right now. A day care teacher wouldn’t be getting paid for zoom class because parents would know it wasn’t worth paying for and they would basically be doing the same job except the day care worker would be getting paid less for more work but with fewer degrees.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 23:41
Subject: Re:Either find a way to open schools, or send me a stimulus check so I can pay for childcare.
Anonymous wrote:
I don’t think anyone who wants schools open denies that Covid exists. On the contrary, these people are saying it exists and it will continue to exist and we can’t just shut down an integral safety net because of it. Whatever your views on what school is supposed to be, in modern times it is a place that provides childcare. School is where many kids get their only meals and where they are exposed to adults that care about them. We prioritized opening everything in this country, even concert venues (the absurdity of someone wanting to see a concert in a pandemic!), but we completely forgot about the schools. At least the public ones. It’s not a matter of funding, we already spend more per student than most countries in the world. It’s not a matter of safety, since PPE could have been donated and classroom configurations could have been reworked. It’s a failure of leadership. We don’t prioritize education in this country. To put it bluntly, are a nation of selfish morons who can’t see beyond the short term. Instead of coming together as a country to help our children, we have dummies who are sitting around thinking “but why should I pay for some kid?”. Because educating our children benefits all of us as a nation, that’s why. Meanwhile the disparity between the social classes grows. The wealthy kids are all back in the classroom in private schools, continuing their learning. While the poor kids fall further and further behind.
As a person who worked in disease prevention, schools and childcare are the secondary priority to getting an outbreak under control.
The U.S. has done nothing, full stop, to handle the Covid-19 pandemic in an effective and suitable manner. If CDC officials had handled Malaria, Ebola, SARs, H1N1, Zika, Typhoid, and HIV/AIDs in foreign countries the way U.S. officials are handling the Covid-19 pandemic they'd be brought up on human rights charges.
I'm sorry you're inconvenienced but education becomes secondary to a life-threatening disease that is swiftly working its way through a population.
The fact that you keep bringing up the notion that education should be prioritized in the long-term when 100,000s of Americans are dying across six months in the short-term is precisely the problem.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 23:39
Subject: Either find a way to open schools, or send me a stimulus check so I can pay for childcare.
Anonymous wrote:What do you consider middle class?
How did you pay for child care when they were little?
You need to figure it out and cut expenses or if you are low income there are vouchers.
Real middle class don't have health insurance.
Why wouldn’t middle class people have health insurance in this area? The entire region has expanded Medicaid (and you are below middle class if you qualify), there are ACA subsidies available at middle class incomes, and many if not most middle class jobs come with health insurance especially in DC where there is a mandate on small businesses. Honestly, if you don’t have health insurance in DC and you are a citizen or legal immigrant, I feel like you aren’t trying.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 23:32
Subject: Either find a way to open schools, or send me a stimulus check so I can pay for childcare.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Still not sure why OP things people should send them a check.
Probably because they are doing two full-time jobs for the price of one?
Oh wait. People keep telling me that "childcare" and "education" are totally separate and have nothing to do with each other.
Scratch that. THREE full time jobs for the price of one.
Your kids, your responsibility. Teachers are handling the education.
Haha- are you actually trying to suggest that a kindergarten/first grade child’s educational needs can be adequately handled via zoom? I guarantee you that for the very early elementary students either parents are the ones actually covering 75% + of the educational content or the kids are just being left behind.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 23:31
Subject: Either find a way to open schools, or send me a stimulus check so I can pay for childcare.
Dear OP,
I feel for you and your situation.This is a pandemic and unprecedented sutuation. I guess you never would have thought about begging for money so you can have childcare and continue working. At least you tried, but sadly, you know that it is highly unlikely. How about quitting job for your own sanity. Scale back. Stop spending. Help your children. Spend more time with your family. It can be done. We did. It sin't easy living off one salary. But FFS, do something to help your situation instead of waiting for others to help you.
Signed by a JFK believer
I feel for you and your situation.This is a pandemic and unprecedented sutuation. I guess you never would have thought about begging for money so you can have childcare and continue working. At least you tried, but sadly, you know that it is highly unlikely. How about quitting job for your own sanity. Scale back. Stop spending. Help your children. Spend more time with your family. It can be done. We did. It sin't easy living off one salary. But FFS, do something to help your situation instead of waiting for others to help you.
Signed by a JFK believer
Anonymous
10/16/2020 23:31
Subject: Re:Either find a way to open schools, or send me a stimulus check so I can pay for childcare.
I don’t think anyone who wants schools open denies that Covid exists. On the contrary, these people are saying it exists and it will continue to exist and we can’t just shut down an integral safety net because of it. Whatever your views on what school is supposed to be, in modern times it is a place that provides childcare. School is where many kids get their only meals and where they are exposed to adults that care about them. We prioritized opening everything in this country, even concert venues (the absurdity of someone wanting to see a concert in a pandemic!), but we completely forgot about the schools. At least the public ones. It’s not a matter of funding, we already spend more per student than most countries in the world. It’s not a matter of safety, since PPE could have been donated and classroom configurations could have been reworked. It’s a failure of leadership. We don’t prioritize education in this country. To put it bluntly, are a nation of selfish morons who can’t see beyond the short term. Instead of coming together as a country to help our children, we have dummies who are sitting around thinking “but why should I pay for some kid?”. Because educating our children benefits all of us as a nation, that’s why. Meanwhile the disparity between the social classes grows. The wealthy kids are all back in the classroom in private schools, continuing their learning. While the poor kids fall further and further behind.
Anonymous
Anonymous
10/16/2020 23:07
Subject: Either find a way to open schools, or send me a stimulus check so I can pay for childcare.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Still not sure why OP things people should send them a check.
Probably because they are doing two full-time jobs for the price of one?
Oh wait. People keep telling me that "childcare" and "education" are totally separate and have nothing to do with each other.
Scratch that. THREE full time jobs for the price of one.
Your kids, your responsibility. Teachers are handling the education.
Hmmmhmmm. Keep that attitude as you age, and these children who you don't care about, don't want actual school for, etc etc are going to be your doctors and nurses in your old folks home. Good luck with that. Can't wait to have bypass surgery from someone who went to TV school.
The fact that you assume your precious one is going to be my doctor is laughable. Do they have the skills? Do they have the intelligence?
Its incredibly difficult to get the required courseload, pass the MCATs, go through residency, and then into specialties.
There are far more interested parties than they are spots at the top programs. But keep believing we'll suddenly have a shortage of capable physicians and surgeons in a country where the medical profession draws some of the best applicants in the world.
How will ANY CHILDREN have the skills and intelligence going forward if THEY DON'T GO TO SCHOOL?
Your mocking x10000000000. You know what the real problem is? DC type A parents who need to calm the F down.
Easy to say that as a childless person who is, for some reason, frequenting a parenting message board at 11pm on a Friday.
Good try! I’ve got three kids, 2 in school because you’re right, if I was childless I would have more of a life than to be on here, even in a pandemic. And I still stand by DC parents needing to calm the F down. It’s a PANDEMIC. It will not last forever. It sucks so much! And there are absolutely kids who need to be in school right now. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say 85% of the people who post here have children who will be jussssssst fine. Except they’ll be in therapy as adults because of their neurotic parents.
I am OP. I am not fine. My kid is not fine. And you can't guarantee that we will be, because as you just pointed out -- it's a pandemic. Unprecedented waters. We have no idea what the longterm effects of all this might be. I can tell you today that I need help and so does my child, and for some reason the mere act of asking for it makes me selfish, entitled, stupid, and neurotic.
I don't need to chill. I need childcare.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 23:04
Subject: Either find a way to open schools, or send me a stimulus check so I can pay for childcare.
Anonymous wrote:What do you consider middle class?
How did you pay for child care when they were little?
You need to figure it out and cut expenses or if you are low income there are vouchers.
Real middle class don't have health insurance.
Of course the real middle class can have health care. Do you really think teachers, factory workers, sanitation workers, social workers and the list goes on don’t have health care? What a ridiculous thing to say.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 23:03
Subject: Either find a way to open schools, or send me a stimulus check so I can pay for childcare.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Still not sure why OP things people should send them a check.
Probably because they are doing two full-time jobs for the price of one?
Oh wait. People keep telling me that "childcare" and "education" are totally separate and have nothing to do with each other.
Scratch that. THREE full time jobs for the price of one.
Your kids, your responsibility. Teachers are handling the education.
Hmmmhmmm. Keep that attitude as you age, and these children who you don't care about, don't want actual school for, etc etc are going to be your doctors and nurses in your old folks home. Good luck with that. Can't wait to have bypass surgery from someone who went to TV school.
The fact that you assume your precious one is going to be my doctor is laughable. Do they have the skills? Do they have the intelligence?
Its incredibly difficult to get the required courseload, pass the MCATs, go through residency, and then into specialties.
There are far more interested parties than they are spots at the top programs. But keep believing we'll suddenly have a shortage of capable physicians and surgeons in a country where the medical profession draws some of the best applicants in the world.
How will ANY CHILDREN have the skills and intelligence going forward if THEY DON'T GO TO SCHOOL?
Your mocking x10000000000. You know what the real problem is? DC type A parents who need to calm the F down.
Easy to say that as a childless person who is, for some reason, frequenting a parenting message board at 11pm on a Friday.
Good try! I’ve got three kids, 2 in school because you’re right, if I was childless I would have more of a life than to be on here, even in a pandemic. And I still stand by DC parents needing to calm the F down. It’s a PANDEMIC. It will not last forever. It sucks so much! And there are absolutely kids who need to be in school right now. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say 85% of the people who post here have children who will be jussssssst fine. Except they’ll be in therapy as adults because of their neurotic parents.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 23:02
Subject: Either find a way to open schools, or send me a stimulus check so I can pay for childcare.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Still not sure why OP things people should send them a check.
Np. Because our tax payer dollars are going towards open schools and teachers and none of that is happening. I agree that everyone pays taxes but this is mostly affecting school aged parents.
It’s as if nursing homes tossed the elderly on the sidewalk and told their kids to deal with it. Surely you budgeted for your parents care?!
Nursing homes aren't free.
Some arent. Just like some schools arent. You are a poor debater.
If you're sending your parent to a rat-and-roach infested subsidy hellhole I pity you. You're also still not getting schools open. Vote for Biden though! He might send a childcare check in 2021. Might.
So, that aside- what do you think the response would be if those subsidized nursing homes for anyone who isn't UMC suddenly dumped the residents on the side of the road? And said their adult children should be the ones to take care of them, and should have expected this unexpected event to happen and should have thousands saved up and unlimited time off of work to care for their elderly parents?