Anonymous
09/30/2020 20:34
Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think I am having trouble with the assumption that life is so clearly linear -- survive the sorting in 1st grade and 3rd grade and 6th grade and 8th grade and 12th grade and then you arrive at the magical golden ticket of attending MIT and getting a graduate fellowship and making a million dollars -- or whatever.
Are there other places in the world where that is actually true? Is it actually true in China or India? This is a legitimate question. I honestly don't know if it is.
the notion that there is only one way to rise to the top, and only one way to be successful, or that success actually means the same thing to everyone.
DOes no one ever fall off the ramp, or decide at some point not to go along or not to follow the program or whatever? There was a fifth grader in my daughter's SAT prep class who was being prepped to get into the Duke TIP program by scoring really high on the SAT. IT seems like kids are pretty malleable when they're in fifth grade and maybe you can get them to do whatever you want and give up their Sundays to REPEAT an SAT prep course for a summer program -- but don't any of these kids ever rebel? Wake up and discover that they really want to be an organic farmer? Or does that only happen in America?
Look up Bamboo Ceiling in Google. Asians have a quota for everything. So they need to compete for a more limited number of slots for everything.
They won’t bother. They will be too busy trying to pander to blacks.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 20:28
Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:I think I am having trouble with the assumption that life is so clearly linear -- survive the sorting in 1st grade and 3rd grade and 6th grade and 8th grade and 12th grade and then you arrive at the magical golden ticket of attending MIT and getting a graduate fellowship and making a million dollars -- or whatever.
Are there other places in the world where that is actually true? Is it actually true in China or India? This is a legitimate question. I honestly don't know if it is.
the notion that there is only one way to rise to the top, and only one way to be successful, or that success actually means the same thing to everyone.
DOes no one ever fall off the ramp, or decide at some point not to go along or not to follow the program or whatever? There was a fifth grader in my daughter's SAT prep class who was being prepped to get into the Duke TIP program by scoring really high on the SAT. IT seems like kids are pretty malleable when they're in fifth grade and maybe you can get them to do whatever you want and give up their Sundays to REPEAT an SAT prep course for a summer program -- but don't any of these kids ever rebel? Wake up and discover that they really want to be an organic farmer? Or does that only happen in America?
Look up Bamboo Ceiling in Google. Asians have a quota for everything. So they need to compete for a more limited number of slots for everything.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 20:25
Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:I think I am having trouble with the assumption that life is so clearly linear -- survive the sorting in 1st grade and 3rd grade and 6th grade and 8th grade and 12th grade and then you arrive at the magical golden ticket of attending MIT and getting a graduate fellowship and making a million dollars -- or whatever.
Are there other places in the world where that is actually true? Is it actually true in China or India? This is a legitimate question. I honestly don't know if it is.
the notion that there is only one way to rise to the top, and only one way to be successful, or that success actually means the same thing to everyone.
DOes no one ever fall off the ramp, or decide at some point not to go along or not to follow the program or whatever? There was a fifth grader in my daughter's SAT prep class who was being prepped to get into the Duke TIP program by scoring really high on the SAT. IT seems like kids are pretty malleable when they're in fifth grade and maybe you can get them to do whatever you want and give up their Sundays to REPEAT an SAT prep course for a summer program -- but don't any of these kids ever rebel? Wake up and discover that they really want to be an organic farmer? Or does that only happen in America?
Some kids do rebel, yes, my one friend who rebelled and married an Egyptian Muslim was punched and thrown down stairs and my other friend, who liked weed, was pretty much dropped and disowned by his family. These are only two examples, but I am sure they are few and far between.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 20:23
Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:I think I am having trouble with the assumption that life is so clearly linear -- survive the sorting in 1st grade and 3rd grade and 6th grade and 8th grade and 12th grade and then you arrive at the magical golden ticket of attending MIT and getting a graduate fellowship and making a million dollars -- or whatever.
Are there other places in the world where that is actually true? Is it actually true in China or India? This is a legitimate question. I honestly don't know if it is.
the notion that there is only one way to rise to the top, and only one way to be successful, or that success actually means the same thing to everyone.
DOes no one ever fall off the ramp, or decide at some point not to go along or not to follow the program or whatever? There was a fifth grader in my daughter's SAT prep class who was being prepped to get into the Duke TIP program by scoring really high on the SAT. IT seems like kids are pretty malleable when they're in fifth grade and maybe you can get them to do whatever you want and give up their Sundays to REPEAT an SAT prep course for a summer program -- but don't any of these kids ever rebel? Wake up and discover that they really want to be an organic farmer? Or does that only happen in America?
Shhh, here's a secret: The goal in life was always the organic farm (nonprofit of course!). But it's not considered chic unless it's started only after the money is made
Anonymous
09/30/2020 20:23
Subject: Re:How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:hard work over intelligence congrats you all win are yall kidding me TJ is a factory who needs that school burn it down
Take the 1% and encourage that intelligence. We don't need more worker bee drones who can execute fast. Computers do that better.
Calm down. It’s only the best high school in the world I mean in the country.
It's ranked #1 on paper.
It’s ranked #1 electronically as well. Go check it out you will be impressed.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 20:19
Subject: Re:How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:hard work over intelligence congrats you all win are yall kidding me TJ is a factory who needs that school burn it down
Take the 1% and encourage that intelligence. We don't need more worker bee drones who can execute fast. Computers do that better.
Calm down. It’s only the best high school in the world I mean in the country.
It's ranked #1 on paper.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 20:17
Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
I think I am having trouble with the assumption that life is so clearly linear -- survive the sorting in 1st grade and 3rd grade and 6th grade and 8th grade and 12th grade and then you arrive at the magical golden ticket of attending MIT and getting a graduate fellowship and making a million dollars -- or whatever.
Are there other places in the world where that is actually true? Is it actually true in China or India? This is a legitimate question. I honestly don't know if it is.
the notion that there is only one way to rise to the top, and only one way to be successful, or that success actually means the same thing to everyone.
DOes no one ever fall off the ramp, or decide at some point not to go along or not to follow the program or whatever? There was a fifth grader in my daughter's SAT prep class who was being prepped to get into the Duke TIP program by scoring really high on the SAT. IT seems like kids are pretty malleable when they're in fifth grade and maybe you can get them to do whatever you want and give up their Sundays to REPEAT an SAT prep course for a summer program -- but don't any of these kids ever rebel? Wake up and discover that they really want to be an organic farmer? Or does that only happen in America?
Are there other places in the world where that is actually true? Is it actually true in China or India? This is a legitimate question. I honestly don't know if it is.
the notion that there is only one way to rise to the top, and only one way to be successful, or that success actually means the same thing to everyone.
DOes no one ever fall off the ramp, or decide at some point not to go along or not to follow the program or whatever? There was a fifth grader in my daughter's SAT prep class who was being prepped to get into the Duke TIP program by scoring really high on the SAT. IT seems like kids are pretty malleable when they're in fifth grade and maybe you can get them to do whatever you want and give up their Sundays to REPEAT an SAT prep course for a summer program -- but don't any of these kids ever rebel? Wake up and discover that they really want to be an organic farmer? Or does that only happen in America?
Anonymous
09/30/2020 20:16
Subject: Re:How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:Just chill....in 10-20 years from now the most successful, well known innovators will be some obscure weirdos who didn’t attend, nor ever hear of, TJ high school. We need to go with the flow, this is so ridiculous over a high school.
Well the most successful, well known innovators currently and past didn't attend or ever heard of TJ. In fact, I don't know of any innovators out TJ.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 18:39
Subject: Re:How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:Listen, I’m a new poster, but we are just not all running the same race here. I would just as soon my kids go to the “best high school in the country” as I would for them to become the tallest boy in the country or the fastest bobsledder or the boy who can eat the most hotdogs in a minute. This is how most of us feel. You do not have to go to the quantifiably highest scoring high school to become an educated person. And as some posts on here have shown, there are some serious downsides to going to a place like that as well. Get perspective.
Actually, I like that analogy. The point is to learn to appreciate good food, not to eat the most hotdogs in a minute.
Whatever gets you off.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 18:31
Subject: Re:How can society measure our academic abilities?
Listen, I’m a new poster, but we are just not all running the same race here. I would just as soon my kids go to the “best high school in the country” as I would for them to become the tallest boy in the country or the fastest bobsledder or the boy who can eat the most hotdogs in a minute. This is how most of us feel. You do not have to go to the quantifiably highest scoring high school to become an educated person. And as some posts on here have shown, there are some serious downsides to going to a place like that as well. Get perspective.
Actually, I like that analogy. The point is to learn to appreciate good food, not to eat the most hotdogs in a minute.
Actually, I like that analogy. The point is to learn to appreciate good food, not to eat the most hotdogs in a minute.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 18:21
Subject: Re:How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:hard work over intelligence congrats you all win are yall kidding me TJ is a factory who needs that school burn it down
Take the 1% and encourage that intelligence. We don't need more worker bee drones who can execute fast. Computers do that better.
Calm down. It’s only the best high school in the world I mean in the country.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 18:07
Subject: Re:How can society measure our academic abilities?
hard work over intelligence congrats you all win are yall kidding me TJ is a factory who needs that school burn it down
Take the 1% and encourage that intelligence. We don't need more worker bee drones who can execute fast. Computers do that better.
Take the 1% and encourage that intelligence. We don't need more worker bee drones who can execute fast. Computers do that better.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 17:17
Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/23/us/SAT-ACT-abolish-debate-california.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article
OP, it will not be tests that measure, because colleges/universities are well aware that cheating and prepping is increasing. Cheating/prepping results in wrote memorization, and the colleges and universities do not want a bunch of bots. "Teach to the test" will be a thing of the past in America, and doing away with the SAT, and TJ changing admissions, are just two ways that is happening. It is the shape of things to come, like it or not.
Being a bot helps no one, least of all, the student.
Once again, it's "rote" not "wrote". Your lack of English skill is not helping your argument.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 16:39
Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/23/us/SAT-ACT-abolish-debate-california.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article
OP, it will not be tests that measure, because colleges/universities are well aware that cheating and prepping is increasing. Cheating/prepping results in wrote memorization, and the colleges and universities do not want a bunch of bots. "Teach to the test" will be a thing of the past in America, and doing away with the SAT, and TJ changing admissions, are just two ways that is happening. It is the shape of things to come, like it or not.
Being a bot helps no one, least of all, the student.
OP, it will not be tests that measure, because colleges/universities are well aware that cheating and prepping is increasing. Cheating/prepping results in wrote memorization, and the colleges and universities do not want a bunch of bots. "Teach to the test" will be a thing of the past in America, and doing away with the SAT, and TJ changing admissions, are just two ways that is happening. It is the shape of things to come, like it or not.
Being a bot helps no one, least of all, the student.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 16:29
Subject: Re:How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:Just chill....in 10-20 years from now the most successful, well known innovators will be some obscure weirdos who didn’t attend, nor ever hear of, TJ high school. We need to go with the flow, this is so ridiculous over a high school.
Says someone with no downside coming from the proposal. Why would you care?