Mild respiratory disease that happens every 10-20 years?

When did 200000+ people in US die in the last 2 decades based on one mild respiratory disease in less than half a year?

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Anonymous wrote:None of this hysteria makes any sense to me. Here's a link to the data from universities. 70,000 students tested positive. Only 3 had to go to hospital. Zero died.

https://rationalground.com/covid-19-on-campus-october-update/

The kid at App State family might disagree but spin it as you wish

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/30/us/app-state-student-covid-19-death-trnd/index.html

No spin is required. The point remains that people have lost any sense of risks, benefits, and balance in the whole debate. Is one death sufficient to close down live schooling for hundreds of thousands of kids? 100? 1000? Does anybody want to try to answer any of these questions or are we going to sigh and wail and continue to say that no deaths are acceptable? Honestly, I don't get this. We've dealt with these issues for generations and have moved on, but this one seems having trouble doing so. I suspect if more of us could not WFH, attitudes would shift in a hurry, especially in this area. For every death, and they are all tragic, there are dozens of people whose physical and mental health has declined appreciably, and who will have lost their jobs, businesses, lives and families because we cannot make appropriate risk-benefit assessments and take measured actions. Yes, mismanaging the response is a big part of the problem. But so is the inability to balance risks and benefits relating to specific activities and people. A more discriminating and geographically targeted response was appropriate early on, along with very clear and transparent expectations about what flattening the curve means. Nobody in their right mind thinks you can beat a virus with a lockdown when it continues to circulate throughout the world and can and will come right through our large borders. Something else is needed, like sanity and balance, and it is missing from all sides of this debate.

Yes.

1. Most estimates suggest that the lockdowns and associated economic damage will result in 10 - 100x more life years lost than the virus. And this ignores all the other suffering that has resulted and will result.

2. An ever growing number of scientists and medical professionals are speaking out against the absurd reaction to a relatively mild respiratory disease of the type which occurs every ten or twenty years. I'm not a fan of "letting the experts decide" because that is a well known logical fallacy and not science - but I mention this only because so many people arguing for the lockdowns claim that experts are in favor of them. They aren't. Many of the world's top epidemiologists from places like Harvard, Stanford and Oxford are attempting to speak out. I say attempting because they are unable to get their message heard in the media and are being actively censored in many cases.

“Relatively mild respiratory disease“. LOL.

Over 1 million people in the world died from COVID and you called it mild?

But in any case, there are countless threads with countless agreements and counter-arguments about COVID so let’s not destroy this thread too.

Hence, let’s get back to the purpose of this thread which is reporting COVID cases with the DMV area soccer clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of this hysteria makes any sense to me. Here's a link to the data from universities. 70,000 students tested positive. Only 3 had to go to hospital. Zero died.

https://rationalground.com/covid-19-on-campus-october-update/

The kid at App State family might disagree but spin it as you wish

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/30/us/app-state-student-covid-19-death-trnd/index.html

No spin is required. The point remains that people have lost any sense of risks, benefits, and balance in the whole debate. Is one death sufficient to close down live schooling for hundreds of thousands of kids? 100? 1000? Does anybody want to try to answer any of these questions or are we going to sigh and wail and continue to say that no deaths are acceptable? Honestly, I don't get this. We've dealt with these issues for generations and have moved on, but this one seems having trouble doing so. I suspect if more of us could not WFH, attitudes would shift in a hurry, especially in this area. For every death, and they are all tragic, there are dozens of people whose physical and mental health has declined appreciably, and who will have lost their jobs, businesses, lives and families because we cannot make appropriate risk-benefit assessments and take measured actions. Yes, mismanaging the response is a big part of the problem. But so is the inability to balance risks and benefits relating to specific activities and people. A more discriminating and geographically targeted response was appropriate early on, along with very clear and transparent expectations about what flattening the curve means. Nobody in their right mind thinks you can beat a virus with a lockdown when it continues to circulate throughout the world and can and will come right through our large borders. Something else is needed, like sanity and balance, and it is missing from all sides of this debate.

Yes.

1. Most estimates suggest that the lockdowns and associated economic damage will result in 10 - 100x more life years lost than the virus. And this ignores all the other suffering that has resulted and will result.

2. An ever growing number of scientists and medical professionals are speaking out against the absurd reaction to a relatively mild respiratory disease of the type which occurs every ten or twenty years. I'm not a fan of "letting the experts decide" because that is a well known logical fallacy and not science - but I mention this only because so many people arguing for the lockdowns claim that experts are in favor of them. They aren't. Many of the world's top epidemiologists from places like Harvard, Stanford and Oxford are attempting to speak out. I say attempting because they are unable to get their message heard in the media and are being actively censored in many cases.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of this hysteria makes any sense to me. Here's a link to the data from universities. 70,000 students tested positive. Only 3 had to go to hospital. Zero died.

https://rationalground.com/covid-19-on-campus-october-update/

Facts? My goodness. I thought I would never see them again. Especially in this debate, which with respect to kids and young adults, has become absolutely preposterous and has scared the hell out of this liberal democrat about my fellow travelers. Thank you.

It's not a fact, it's fake news. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of Google can type "college hospitalizations covid" and find examples from all over the country. 12 in Ohio, several in NC, a few in Michigan, etc and etc.

Add to this the fact a) most schools don't count hospitalizations, b) even if they did many feel they cannot comment due to student privacy rights and c) you have a closed-mind and want to believe this, and you pretty much come to the clear conclusion it's a bunch of BS.

In fact, it's so fake it's already ended up on other sites.

"No, It’s Not True That Zero College Students Have Been Hospitalized With Coronavirus"

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/no-it’s-not-true-zero-college-students-have-been-hospitalized-coronavirus-169030

Go back to the basement. Your mom will be down with some hot pockets soon.

The article "debunking" this lacks any evidence whatsoever. It merely points out that a handful of the universities involved don't report hospitalizations so the data might be incorrect. But even if you remove those universities you still end up with tens of thousands of cases from universities which do report hospitalizations, and three hospitalizations total.

This argument proves just one thing. Soccer parent s will argue about anything.

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Anonymous wrote:None of this hysteria makes any sense to me. Here's a link to the data from universities. 70,000 students tested positive. Only 3 had to go to hospital. Zero died.

https://rationalground.com/covid-19-on-campus-october-update/

The kid at App State family might disagree but spin it as you wish

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/30/us/app-state-student-covid-19-death-trnd/index.html

This is medieval. Science is based on data, not anecdotes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of this hysteria makes any sense to me. Here's a link to the data from universities. 70,000 students tested positive. Only 3 had to go to hospital. Zero died.

https://rationalground.com/covid-19-on-campus-october-update/

Facts? My goodness. I thought I would never see them again. Especially in this debate, which with respect to kids and young adults, has become absolutely preposterous and has scared the hell out of this liberal democrat about my fellow travelers. Thank you.

It's not a fact, it's fake news. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of Google can type "college hospitalizations covid" and find examples from all over the country. 12 in Ohio, several in NC, a few in Michigan, etc and etc.

Add to this the fact a) most schools don't count hospitalizations, b) even if they did many feel they cannot comment due to student privacy rights and c) you have a closed-mind and want to believe this, and you pretty much come to the clear conclusion it's a bunch of BS.

In fact, it's so fake it's already ended up on other sites.

"No, It’s Not True That Zero College Students Have Been Hospitalized With Coronavirus"

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/no-it’s-not-true-zero-college-students-have-been-hospitalized-coronavirus-169030

Go back to the basement. Your mom will be down with some hot pockets soon.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of this hysteria makes any sense to me. Here's a link to the data from universities. 70,000 students tested positive. Only 3 had to go to hospital. Zero died.

https://rationalground.com/covid-19-on-campus-october-update/

The kid at App State family might disagree but spin it as you wish

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/30/us/app-state-student-covid-19-death-trnd/index.html

No spin is required. The point remains that people have lost any sense of risks, benefits, and balance in the whole debate. Is one death sufficient to close down live schooling for hundreds of thousands of kids? 100? 1000? Does anybody want to try to answer any of these questions or are we going to sigh and wail and continue to say that no deaths are acceptable? Honestly, I don't get this. We've dealt with these issues for generations and have moved on, but this one seems having trouble doing so. I suspect if more of us could not WFH, attitudes would shift in a hurry, especially in this area. For every death, and they are all tragic, there are dozens of people whose physical and mental health has declined appreciably, and who will have lost their jobs, businesses, lives and families because we cannot make appropriate risk-benefit assessments and take measured actions. Yes, mismanaging the response is a big part of the problem. But so is the inability to balance risks and benefits relating to specific activities and people. A more discriminating and geographically targeted response was appropriate early on, along with very clear and transparent expectations about what flattening the curve means. Nobody in their right mind thinks you can beat a virus with a lockdown when it continues to circulate throughout the world and can and will come right through our large borders. Something else is needed, like sanity and balance, and it is missing from all sides of this debate.

clubs are having players test positive, and they are handling it the way it should handled. Good for them. Its bound to happen to every large club around here.

Anonymous wrote:None of this hysteria makes any sense to me. Here's a link to the data from universities. 70,000 students tested positive. Only 3 had to go to hospital. Zero died.

https://rationalground.com/covid-19-on-campus-october-update/

The kid at App State family might disagree but spin it as you wish

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/30/us/app-state-student-covid-19-death-trnd/index.html

Anonymous wrote:None of this hysteria makes any sense to me. Here's a link to the data from universities. 70,000 students tested positive. Only 3 had to go to hospital. Zero died.

https://rationalground.com/covid-19-on-campus-october-update/

Facts? My goodness. I thought I would never see them again. Especially in this debate, which with respect to kids and young adults, has become absolutely preposterous and has scared the hell out of this liberal democrat about my fellow travelers. Thank you.

None of this hysteria makes any sense to me. Here's a link to the data from universities. 70,000 students tested positive. Only 3 had to go to hospital. Zero died.

https://rationalground.com/covid-19-on-campus-october-update/

Dear PSA Families:

We have been informed that three people within our Potomac Soccer family have tested positive for Covid-19. Everyone within PSA who has had exposure to these individuals was immediately informed, and the affected teams have been quarantined and have quarantined for the CDC recommended time frame and, in fact, some have already been notified today that they may return to play. We reported the information to the Montgomery County Health Department and have been working diligently with their officials to properly address the situation. Due to privacy issues, we cannot and will not disclose the identities of the individuals – please trust that we have properly informed anyone who may have been exposed. Please note that it has been determined that the exposure did NOT happen during soccer practice as the two players are friends outside of soccer. The third case is a parent of one of the players. I have not been made aware of any other cases. Thankfully, everyone is feeling well and following the instructions from their doctors and the Health Department, they will be able to return to play after 14 days and receipt of two negative test results.

Rest assured, PSA is doing everything possible to keep everyone safe and informed. However, we can only do so much without the cooperation and vigilance from everyone in our community. Let this be a reminder, yet again, that YOU MUST complete the health check on TeamSnap before you attend EACH AND EVERY training or game. If you do not complete the health check, your player will NOT be allowed to participate. This system enabled us to provide the proper contact tracing to the Health Department, and it helps identify any symptoms that could be COVID-19. This means, if you have any of the symptoms listed, whether or not you have a negative test or have not been officially exposed, you MUST stay home.

This is also a good time for all of us to think about our actions. We all long for a return to normal, both on and off the pitch. This situation is a reminder to emphasize with your child(ren) the importance of not letting one’s guard down: maintain social distance; wash hands; wear masks and wear them properly; do not attend parties or large social gatherings.

Thank you for your cooperation and support during this challenging time. We are all part of a strong community that cares for one another. It will take all of us continuing to work together to stay safe.

Laurie Lane
Executive Director

Potomac and the majority of the MoCo soccer clubs are doing all the right things. Our kids need outlets, so nots let be so quick to blame soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.mymcmedia.org/covid-19-outbreak-linked-to-montgomery-county-youth-soccer-club/

Wow. I had no idea. I hope cases doesn’t continue to increase as MoCo will surely shutdown soccer again.

If clubs can't manage the risks appropriately, they should shut it down.

Who said the clubs mismanaged anything? Does managing the risk mean zero infections? Should you be attributing anything to soccer? The clubs? This is exactly the opposite of science. I agree with your statement, but it is vacuous and stupid with reference to the story.

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This was bound to happen at a local club and I'm surprised it hasn't been sooner. We have a huge outbreak in the White House. That type of thing spreads exponentially. Could have been a parent who stood next to a Trump staffer in a grocery stood, or who took a flight. Maybe someone's parent is a doctor or a nurse. A college kid could have come back from one of the universities with outbreaks. We have no idea.

I think they need to be clear about who exactly was infected. 4 players? What is their interaction outside of the club? Do they carpool? Do they socialize outside of practice or games? If they only meet up at soccer, is there something that can be improved about how they social distance when the coach is speaking with them or during drills/scrimmages? Were they all ever indoors for any reason even briefly?

Y’all can’t seriously be surprised when high school boys test positive. They’ll be college kids very soon ....