Anonymous
Post 08/14/2020 12:49     Subject: Re:Burgundy Farm
SSSAS just pulled a Burgandy Farms move. Not cool.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2020 12:19     Subject: Burgundy Farm
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ah, so teachers get to sit around doing 0-60 minutes of Zoom per day (that was our experience in the spring) while parents scramble to find child care and/or try to educate our young children while holding down full-time jobs.

Question for the teachers: I want to know when you are willing to come back to work so I can right-set my expectations for the rest of the school year.


I wish parents would understand that the spring was an absolute dumpster fire change for everyone. No one was prepared for that and had to pivot to something no one was ready for. Many of the schools that I am aware of have spent money helping teachers become better teachers for virtual learning with professional development and more licenses for online teaching tools. Chances are your child's teachers are also scrambling to figure out child care. Also, from the school models I've seen, there is much more synchronous time online for all of the divisions compared with the spring experience, which was again, out of the blue and unexpected.

Schools and teachers are not to blame for the woefully incompetent national 'strategy' for combatting the pandemic. Be mad at the national response, the lack of testing ability, slow test results, patchwork restriction, families still hosting large parties, kids still playing and traveling with club sports, etc.


You want to be mad at kids playing sports but you were ready to send your kid to an in person school 5 days a week? WTF? Sending kids to school is as risky as it gets. Very irresponsible if you are focused on stopping the spread of the virus. However, if you have no choice, oh well.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2020 12:03     Subject: Re:Burgundy Farm
Has a clear plan for reopening been communicated? There are several detailed and thoughtful links on the page that reference a reopening plan released today. However, I cannot locate a plan of what is going to happen in 3 weeks. https://burgundyfarm.org/community/burgundy-preparations-for-reopening/

What am I missing?

Also, what's the contract language? Can I pull my kid or will I be sued by the school for nonpayment?
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2020 11:51     Subject: Burgundy Farm
My understanding is task forces met all summer and teachers were on the task force. Teachers were also invited to participate in the task force and declined. So I’m not sure why teachers are now saying they were not included in the planning?
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2020 11:47     Subject: Re:Burgundy Farm
Very well thought out plan. Glad I'm a Browne parent and have been for many years. They really care about the children


I'm sure they do and it is also a lovely campus. @e almost sent my son there, but we really felt opposed to 70 minute classes for middle schoolers. Everything else seemed very nice.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2020 11:32     Subject: Burgundy Farm
Browne....

On-Campus Strategies

Low risk (Phase 3) - Campus open to all grades
(Preschool-8th)

Low/Moderate (Phase 2/3) - Campus open to Lower school
(Preschool-4th); Middle school (5th-8th) rotates on-campus and distance learning

Moderate/High (Phase 2) - Campus open to Lower
school (Preschool-4th)

High risk (Phase 1) - Campus only open for Browne Child
Care (Preschool-Junior Kindergarten)

Very well thought out plan. Glad I'm a Browne parent and have been for many years. They really care about the children.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2020 11:27     Subject: Burgundy Farm
Any Burgundy parent planning on using tuition insurance to get out of the contract? Will it cover withdrawing because of DL and the pandemic or does there need to be another “reason” to collect the partial tuition refund?
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2020 11:25     Subject: Re:Burgundy Farm
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Exactly. Yes, they should not have advertised and pretended they could control a pandemic. Mistake on the administration...not the teachers.

The difference at burgundy is the teachers will really know and care for your kid. Of course not every teacher is absolutely amazing but each and every one of them cared deeply about my child. That love and caring gave him the confidence to grow into a teenager who truly has empathy and respect for others.

Even virtually the teachers will know your child and your child will feel loved and cared for. There is no way that the teachers at public school can do that because standards come first at public school. At burgundy, kids come first.

And if the teachers thought it was safest and best t start the school year virtually, I trust them.


How can you say, "At Burgduny, kids come first" with a straight face when KINDERGARTENERS are being abandoned to do virtual learning, while junior kindergarteners are allowed on campus? It makes no sense and we deserve an explanation.


At Burgundy teachers come first and no one else matters. And that’s fine. Give teachers everything they want. But then give me my goddamn tuition back because I need to go find a school that can actually operate.


I really feel for the parents and the kids in the Burgundy community. You all should take your tuition dollars and walk on over to Browne or the Alexandria parochials that have managed to figure out how to open.


If Browne does this well I can see Burgundy losing a lot of enrollment to them. [/quote

I was a public school parent. However, my husband and I were essential and needed care so we signed our son up for the childcare camp at Browne June 8th. They have done an excellent job ALL summer with no issue. So much so that I am happy I decided to enroll for kindergarten back in July. A very well thought out summer and fall. Just saying... I had no intention on enrolling but I was impressed by the summer.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2020 11:02     Subject: Re:Burgundy Farm
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Chances are your child's teachers are also scrambling to figure out child care.


Are they also paying $70K for virtual school for two kids at the same time? I am stretched to my limit by this cost. I simply do not have the capacity to pay for this plus a person to come in and watch my kids do virtual school all day while I go into the office.


Um. You're stretched to the limit to pay $70,000 a year. More than probably most Burgundy teachers make in a year, you have in disposable income for an education at a school because you're scared of public schools. Cry me a river. You're completely out of touch with what ACTUAL inconvenience is in this country. I'm stunned you can't see that.


Not every Burgundy family pays full tuition. Not all of us are wealthy. And, not everyone goes to Burgundy because they are "scared" of public schools, but thanks for the vitriol. No matter your financial situation, it is a HUGE "inconvenience" - since you used that word - to anyone. The exception might be families with stay-at-home parents. But, this is a hardship for eveyone and yes, that includes those who are paying full freight to send X number of children.


The response wasn’t about you. But please take offense. Also, reminder that if you have 70,000 dollars of disposable income you are likely in the upper 5 percent in this country. And you’re attacking teachers who make 40,000 before taxes? Shame on you. Spoiled and clueless.


Just because we have $70,000 in disposable income does not mean we are somehow spoiled and clueless. If we are paying this much money for school we deserve a product worthy of this price. If you don’t like your teaching job, quit.



I'm not a teacher, but your vitriol shouldn't be against teachers during a global pandemic with a disease that people don't know the half of when it comes to long term impact. And yes, you are spoiled and clueless if you're able to pay $70,000 in disposable income and whining about what you 'deserve'. It's a global pandemic with a terrible federal response, we all deserved a better response and deserve to be healthy. Everything else is icing on the cake in this current snapshot of history. Get some perspective.


This is absolutely not vitriol, it is a legitimate complaint shared by many in the parent community. I am fully aware there is a global pandemic. Interesting how you are blaming Burgundy’s colossal mismanagement on the federal response. Unlike other independent schools that spent the last 6 months planning for a hybrid/cohort reopening and ALSO a robust distance learning plan, Burgundy spent the last 6 months telling parents they are unique, they will do outdoor school, all classrooms open to the outdoors, they are committed to bringing kids back on campus, etc. Then without any warning, they tell parents this is not happening. THIS is why parents are pissed. Perhaps the “insider” Board member families knew this was coming, but most families were completely blindsided by this. This is not about being spoiled and clueless. Let me ask - Has Burgundy modified their curriculum to adapt to online learning? Have the teachers received training on how to run an online classroom? DL was horrible in the spring. Not even comparable to what other independent schools did. Yes, I have direct experience with other local schools.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2020 10:54     Subject: Burgundy Farm
We are asking for our money back and stopping all payments. I encourage others to protect their rights and interests similarly.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2020 10:38     Subject: Burgundy Farm
I think there was a strong commitment to reopening with no or very little thought to a hybrid model until far too late. I am certainly not blaming our fabulous teachers.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2020 10:30     Subject: Re:Burgundy Farm
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Chances are your child's teachers are also scrambling to figure out child care.


Are they also paying $70K for virtual school for two kids at the same time? I am stretched to my limit by this cost. I simply do not have the capacity to pay for this plus a person to come in and watch my kids do virtual school all day while I go into the office.


Um. You're stretched to the limit to pay $70,000 a year. More than probably most Burgundy teachers make in a year, you have in disposable income for an education at a school because you're scared of public schools. Cry me a river. You're completely out of touch with what ACTUAL inconvenience is in this country. I'm stunned you can't see that.


Not every Burgundy family pays full tuition. Not all of us are wealthy. And, not everyone goes to Burgundy because they are "scared" of public schools, but thanks for the vitriol. No matter your financial situation, it is a HUGE "inconvenience" - since you used that word - to anyone. The exception might be families with stay-at-home parents. But, this is a hardship for eveyone and yes, that includes those who are paying full freight to send X number of children.


The response wasn’t about you. But please take offense. Also, reminder that if you have 70,000 dollars of disposable income you are likely in the upper 5 percent in this country. And you’re attacking teachers who make 40,000 before taxes? Shame on you. Spoiled and clueless.


Just because we have $70,000 in disposable income does not mean we are somehow spoiled and clueless. If we are paying this much money for school we deserve a product worthy of this price. If you don’t like your teaching job, quit.



not a teacher, but your vitriol shouldn't be against teachers during a global pandemic with a disease that people don't know the half of when it comes to long term impact. And yes, you are spoiled and clueless if you're able to pay $70,000 in disposable income and whining about what you 'deserve'. It's a global pandemic with a terrible federal response, we all deserved a better response and deserve to be healthy. Everything else is icing on the cake in this current snapshot of history. Get some perspective.


I'm the OP who is paying $70,000 for two kids. I'm not "afraid" of public, but one of my kids experienced bullying there, and had virtually no friends. The other has learning differences that I didn't feel were being effectively accommodated. I'm sure I make more money than many, if not all, teachers, but 70,000 is more than half of my salary. My ex makes somewhat more than me, but not a lot, and we are supporting two households. Teachers absolutely don't have to go in and teach if it isn't safe, that's fine. But then I need the school to withdraw my children and refund my money. I can't pay for additional full time child care to support my kids while they learn virtually. I have to go into work if I want to keep my job, I don't have a choice. I'm not getting what I need or committed to paying for here, so if school can't be in person, I can't do this. It's not a matter of feeling either way about teachers. I don't have a problem with them, maybe it is the choice they had to make, I just can't support this situation financially or pragmatically.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2020 10:26     Subject: Re:Burgundy Farm
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Exactly. Yes, they should not have advertised and pretended they could control a pandemic. Mistake on the administration...not the teachers.

The difference at burgundy is the teachers will really know and care for your kid. Of course not every teacher is absolutely amazing but each and every one of them cared deeply about my child. That love and caring gave him the confidence to grow into a teenager who truly has empathy and respect for others.

Even virtually the teachers will know your child and your child will feel loved and cared for. There is no way that the teachers at public school can do that because standards come first at public school. At burgundy, kids come first.

And if the teachers thought it was safest and best t start the school year virtually, I trust them.


How can you say, "At Burgduny, kids come first" with a straight face when KINDERGARTENERS are being abandoned to do virtual learning, while junior kindergarteners are allowed on campus? It makes no sense and we deserve an explanation.


At Burgundy teachers come first and no one else matters. And that’s fine. Give teachers everything they want. But then give me my goddamn tuition back because I need to go find a school that can actually operate.


I really feel for the parents and the kids in the Burgundy community. You all should take your tuition dollars and walk on over to Browne or the Alexandria parochials that have managed to figure out how to open.


If Browne does this well I can see Burgundy losing a lot of enrollment to them.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2020 10:24     Subject: Re:Burgundy Farm
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Exactly. Yes, they should not have advertised and pretended they could control a pandemic. Mistake on the administration...not the teachers.

The difference at burgundy is the teachers will really know and care for your kid. Of course not every teacher is absolutely amazing but each and every one of them cared deeply about my child. That love and caring gave him the confidence to grow into a teenager who truly has empathy and respect for others.

Even virtually the teachers will know your child and your child will feel loved and cared for. There is no way that the teachers at public school can do that because standards come first at public school. At burgundy, kids come first.

And if the teachers thought it was safest and best t start the school year virtually, I trust them.


How can you say, "At Burgduny, kids come first" with a straight face when KINDERGARTENERS are being abandoned to do virtual learning, while junior kindergarteners are allowed on campus? It makes no sense and we deserve an explanation.


At Burgundy teachers come first and no one else matters. And that’s fine. Give teachers everything they want. But then give me my goddamn tuition back because I need to go find a school that can actually operate.


I really feel for the parents and the kids in the Burgundy community. You all should take your tuition dollars and walk on over to Browne or the Alexandria parochials that have managed to figure out how to open.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2020 10:10     Subject: Re:Burgundy Farm
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Chances are your child's teachers are also scrambling to figure out child care.


Are they also paying $70K for virtual school for two kids at the same time? I am stretched to my limit by this cost. I simply do not have the capacity to pay for this plus a person to come in and watch my kids do virtual school all day while I go into the office.


Um. You're stretched to the limit to pay $70,000 a year. More than probably most Burgundy teachers make in a year, you have in disposable income for an education at a school because you're scared of public schools. Cry me a river. You're completely out of touch with what ACTUAL inconvenience is in this country. I'm stunned you can't see that.


Not every Burgundy family pays full tuition. Not all of us are wealthy. And, not everyone goes to Burgundy because they are "scared" of public schools, but thanks for the vitriol. No matter your financial situation, it is a HUGE "inconvenience" - since you used that word - to anyone. The exception might be families with stay-at-home parents. But, this is a hardship for eveyone and yes, that includes those who are paying full freight to send X number of children.


The response wasn’t about you. But please take offense. Also, reminder that if you have 70,000 dollars of disposable income you are likely in the upper 5 percent in this country. And you’re attacking teachers who make 40,000 before taxes? Shame on you. Spoiled and clueless.


Just because we have $70,000 in disposable income does not mean we are somehow spoiled and clueless. If we are paying this much money for school we deserve a product worthy of this price. If you don’t like your teaching job, quit.



I'm not a teacher, but your vitriol shouldn't be against teachers during a global pandemic with a disease that people don't know the half of when it comes to long term impact. And yes, you are spoiled and clueless if you're able to pay $70,000 in disposable income and whining about what you 'deserve'. It's a global pandemic with a terrible federal response, we all deserved a better response and deserve to be healthy. Everything else is icing on the cake in this current snapshot of history. Get some perspective.