Anonymous wrote:For those who are saying it didn't work, you're seriously missing the point.

It did work.

It brought the virus from rampant community spread down to isolated, traceable and treatable cases. Sure there were secondary outbreaks here and there, but nothing on the scale of what we face here. I mean Hong Kong is freaking out about a third wave now of about 1,000 cases in the last two weeks, but that's a DAILY total for Maryland, which has a smaller population. New Zealand had a couple of cases, but they are tracing and isolating and getting it back down under control.

There is no way to get 60,000 cases a day "under control". We can crush the virus back to the level of controllable with some more radical action than what is being done now.

If we have the will to try...

The problem is that then you need to keep a lot of restrictions in place to keep infections under control- I think that is where our country will fail. NYC did pretty much lock down in the spring but people are over it and want to go back to some semblance of normal.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in NJ, I did a "hard shutdown" for 3 months. If the US decides that I need to shutdown again, I'm going to riot.

I did my job. The other states can do what they want, but they shouldn't make rules for me just because it took them a bit to get how serious this is.

Is it really that serious? The news on the low death rate doesn't make it seem that way. Same with the news of how many more people have had it than expected and the fact that almost 40% of cases are asymptomatic.

Anecdotally, a lot of people I know in the south currently have or have recently had COVID. People are taking it even less seriously now because so many people they know have had it and didn't even get that sick. It is only reinforcing the notion that this was overblown by the media.

Same here- my 70yo FIL got it and had pretty mild symptoms. So now they’re all like, what’s the big deal? I think unless you know someone personally who has gotten it pretty bad, it just doesn’t seem real.

For those who are saying it didn't work, you're seriously missing the point.

It did work.

It brought the virus from rampant community spread down to isolated, traceable and treatable cases. Sure there were secondary outbreaks here and there, but nothing on the scale of what we face here. I mean Hong Kong is freaking out about a third wave now of about 1,000 cases in the last two weeks, but that's a DAILY total for Maryland, which has a smaller population. New Zealand had a couple of cases, but they are tracing and isolating and getting it back down under control.

There is no way to get 60,000 cases a day "under control". We can crush the virus back to the level of controllable with some more radical action than what is being done now.

If we have the will to try...

Anonymous wrote:I'm in NJ, I did a "hard shutdown" for 3 months. If the US decides that I need to shutdown again, I'm going to riot.

I did my job. The other states can do what they want, but they shouldn't make rules for me just because it took them a bit to get how serious this is.

Is it really that serious? The news on the low death rate doesn't make it seem that way. Same with the news of how many more people have had it than expected and the fact that almost 40% of cases are asymptomatic.

Anecdotally, a lot of people I know in the south currently have or have recently had COVID. People are taking it even less seriously now because so many people they know have had it and didn't even get that sick. It is only reinforcing the notion that this was overblown by the media.

Yes!!!! 3 weeks hard shut down (but grocery stores probably could only close for a few days, and then need to reopen for delivery or curbside only). Then after 3 weeks stores and restaurants curbside only, gyms outdoor classes only, bars and large venues stay closed. This wouldn't make it go away, but could get better in enough to allow schools to open for at least a month or so.

https://www.covidexitstrategy.org

Maryland keeps rising: we are now at 125 new cases per million per day. 2 weeks ago we were only at 80 I think.

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Anonymous wrote:Did not work in Asia either, they have still cases (China at the moment in Urumqui, Singapur, Japan, Southcorea and so on), in some areas they had to close schools again. But whats working there better ist keeping distance and wearing masks so they have fewer cases.

It worked just fine in China; they recently had an outbreak in Beijing (200 cases) and shut down just that area. South Korea did not ever need to implement a full style lockdown, because they kept their cases low enough to be able to manage with just contact tracing and shutting down bars and nightclubs and small church gatherings.

There are several ways to slow spread in a state -- we could have a hard lockdown for just 2 weeks and then reopen outdoor things, curbside pickup, lots of masks etc. We just need to all do it all at the same time.

And any states that don't want to participate? We need to shut our borders to their citizens. Seriously. It is time for the New England/New York/New Jersey states at least to have border control, and require anyone driving in from "red" states to quarantine at their own expense for 14 days at the border before being allowed in for anything but essential reasons.

It is terrifying that you want to do something unconstitutional for an illness with less than a 1% death rate. Please turn off your TV.

Anonymous wrote:Did not work in Asia either, they have still cases (China at the moment in Urumqui, Singapur, Japan, Southcorea and so on), in some areas they had to close schools again. But whats working there better ist keeping distance and wearing masks so they have fewer cases.

It worked just fine in China; they recently had an outbreak in Beijing (200 cases) and shut down just that area. South Korea did not ever need to implement a full style lockdown, because they kept their cases low enough to be able to manage with just contact tracing and shutting down bars and nightclubs and small church gatherings.

There are several ways to slow spread in a state -- we could have a hard lockdown for just 2 weeks and then reopen outdoor things, curbside pickup, lots of masks etc. We just need to all do it all at the same time.

And any states that don't want to participate? We need to shut our borders to their citizens. Seriously. It is time for the New England/New York/New Jersey states at least to have border control, and require anyone driving in from "red" states to quarantine at their own expense for 14 days at the border before being allowed in for anything but essential reasons.

I'm in NJ, I did a "hard shutdown" for 3 months. If the US decides that I need to shutdown again, I'm going to riot.

I did my job. The other states can do what they want, but they shouldn't make rules for me just because it took them a bit to get how serious this is.

I would support complete shutdown nationwide for a few weeks. I am Asian, and we family of 4 almost did not step out of house in March & April. Only I stepped out to pick up mail, took trash out & picked up grocery from doorway back in March/ April. We closed all windows. It was insane with 2 young kids stuck in the house & working full time, but I could definitely do that again if everyone is rooting for this.

Look at Italy and Wuhan- they had much harder shutdowns but it still took longer than 2-4 weeks. The virus would still circulate among members of individual households during that time. And there would have to be more exceptions to the shutdown than grocery stores- you still need people staffing utilities, nursing homes, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that we need masks. To make people wear masks, a hard shut down, where grocery store is open from 8 am till noon, with nothing else open will make people take it seriously.
Put police of every corner too. Only then will morons start wearing masks. This pandemic so easy to crush, the fact that we refuse to do so due to our own stupidity is telling, Once people can't leave the house for 2 weeks, they will accept masks. But, of course that means having POTUS that will enforce masks in the whole country. So, why talk about things that are impossible?

You really like authoritarianism don’t you?

No, I don't. I dislike it. But, we are killing people. Fact is, stupid people need dictatorships in situations like this. Stupidity kills. We are stupid. Every country is ruled by force, democracy just calls it choosing to have rules and the police to enforce it. How are we to open schools, when people can't even wear masks? What we are seeing is that people think science is fake, virus is fake, and are killing people with their actions. Is that liberty to you?

huh? Have you not read the news about the COVID death rate?

If you REALLY cared about people dying, you would outlaw junk food, fast food restaurants and have mandatory exercise sessions every day. COVID is a small blip in terms of death. You are simply drinking the media koolaid and don't know any better.

LabCorp running out of ability to scale up testing capacity.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/21/labcorp-ceo-coronavirus-is-spreading-faster-than-testing-expansion.html

LabCorp is currently processing about 165,000 tests for Covid-19 per day, translating to more than 1 million per week, he said. In late March during the early stages of the pandemic, LabCorp was running about 20,000 tests per day.

“We’re continuing to increase capacity every single week over week,” he said. “The problem is that the number of tests being asked to be performed each week is growing faster than the capacity that we can build.”

No way. The virus will simply reemerge once we open back up.

The main reason we should not do this is because of the relatively low death rate of this virus. It's increasingly obvious that most people have mild cases or are asymptomatic.

The media will be moving on from COVID as soon as we get tired of the increase in cases and there are fewer clicks. Not to mention the upcoming election news cycle.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans have zero discipline unlike our Far East compatriots

Communism is a beautiful thing.

For things like this yes , yes it is

It actually is, for some things. Bcs communists believed in science and not that God will save us.