Anonymous wrote:To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a chronic illness that requires me to spend 50% of my existence in the bathroom. I understand chronic illnesses can be rough. But let me tell you now, it never made a difference between me submitting something at 11:59 and 11:59:01.

If his illness was the reason for the delay, it still shouldn’t have come down to a game of minutes.
Professors don’t budge on stuff. It’s how they turn teenagers into adults. It’s unfortunate, but he will recover from this grade dip.

Thank you for this.

As I said, DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute as he failed to ask for more time. He doesn't blame his illness for the delay.

The only reason why he is considering appealing the professor's decision is that if the deadline is 11:59pm, should something that is submitted at 11:59 be late?

Yes the prof should have accepted it. But he might not believe your son. If I were your son I’d write the tech dept that programs the deadline and ask them if it should have been programmed 11:59:59. Ignore the jerks who say you are helicoptering.

Anyone on A DCUM education forum is helicoptering.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a professor and would have given your child a break due to the circumstances. That said, I would warn your child that appealing to higher-ups based on what you described will probably go nowhere. Most chairs/admins defer to faculty on grading/lateness policies. The only exception is if the instructor is an adjunct or TA/grad student.

I believe you and appreciate your individual attitude but I also how that general attitude by higher education to not respect the customer is going to get crushed by the coming downturn. Numbers of students were already dropping because of the next generation is smaller and covid will only accelerate the financial pressure on colleges and universities.

Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one that wants this sort of structure for my kid? These are lessons he needs to learn before he’ll ever be ready to hold any sort of meaningful job.

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Anonymous wrote:To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

Prof Hardass would need to prove his 11:59 time stamp is actually the “correct“ time.

Of course. But the beauty of a leaning management system is that it does it for you automatically.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a chronic illness that requires me to spend 50% of my existence in the bathroom. I understand chronic illnesses can be rough. But let me tell you now, it never made a difference between me submitting something at 11:59 and 11:59:01.

If his illness was the reason for the delay, it still shouldn’t have come down to a game of minutes.
Professors don’t budge on stuff. It’s how they turn teenagers into adults. It’s unfortunate, but he will recover from this grade dip.

Thank you for this.

As I said, DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute as he failed to ask for more time. He doesn't blame his illness for the delay.

The only reason why he is considering appealing the professor's decision is that if the deadline is 11:59pm, should something that is submitted at 11:59 be late?

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Anonymous wrote:To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

Prof Hardass would need to prove his 11:59 time stamp is actually the “correct“ time.

Anonymous wrote:To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

Anonymous wrote:What professor has an assignment due on June 20?

Troll.

Anonymous wrote:To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

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Anonymous wrote:Do not encourage your son to go to the department head. I guarantee you, this is not a good interaction that reflects well on the student, especially if this is the first time complaining to a department head or if there is a more significant issue to deal with in the future (this would paint the student as petty and not put them in a favorable position). While we don't make fun of these things necessarily in faculty meetings, we do complain about the ridiculousness of student requests like this very often. It's not a good look.

The way this stuff works is the the assignment displays for students as:
Due Jun 20 at 11:59pm

The instructor interface says
Due at 11:59:00pm

The computer marks as late, not the professor. It's a machine-graded hard line for a reason.

Lesson learned. Suck it up.

This is what happens when academic professors who think they have God-like power over powerless students.

Well, the computer is God in this situation. Meaning the professor is implementing a system to remove the possibility of any bias on their part.

I look forward to potentially having your son or daughter in my class next Fall. Please kindly remember, there are no parent teacher conferences in college, so, take a seat and let them navigate how to be a adult.