Anonymous
Post 05/28/2020 23:29     Subject: Evangelicals: Can you explain to me the desperation to open churches?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The same reason I want my yoga studio to reopen. That’s my church. People need their places of peace and sanctuary. Especially during these times. I think it’s reasonable if they can operate at minimum capacity and adhere to other guidelines to keep people as safe as possible.


This. People want their sense of community back in whatever form that might be. They also want to give the smug liberals who are bankrupting families and businesses the middle finger. Just like how democrats couldn’t see Hillary losing, I think they are blind to how this will all play out.


I agree with this. It's a symptom of having such a left left wing... that the right feels the need to go more right to counteract it. And when you start feeling hate for a group of people that you feel are threatening you in some way (e.g. what the vast majority of democrats feel towards conservatives) then you get blind to things. As the PP said, HRC supporters couldn't even comprehend the idea of Trump winning last election, even though moderates like myself could see it happening. In this case, the church-goers are so frustrated by the impact of the extended shutdowns that they just want everything back to normal, ESPECIALLY if that's what the democrats don't want, even if sitting in a room full of people is the last thing they should be doing right now.


I am really trying to understand this. Are you saying that people feel that they have make choices that they know are bad for them (sitting in a room with people per your post) because the liberals made them do it? Would you accept that line of reasoning from your teen? I wouldn’t accept it from my toddler throwing a tantrum although I might understand it.


People want to do it, and then knowing that their 'enemies' would hate the idea is like icing on the cake.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 23:46     Subject: Re:Evangelicals: Can you explain to me the desperation to open churches?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Outrageous that churches don't pay taxes.


The real outrage is that universities with multi-billion endowments don't pay taxes.


And that people like Trump probably don't pay taxes--is that why he's withholding his returns?

Save your hate for things that matter.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 19:19     Subject: Evangelicals: Can you explain to me the desperation to open churches?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The same reason I want my yoga studio to reopen. That’s my church. People need their places of peace and sanctuary. Especially during these times. I think it’s reasonable if they can operate at minimum capacity and adhere to other guidelines to keep people as safe as possible.


This. People want their sense of community back in whatever form that might be. They also want to give the smug liberals who are bankrupting families and businesses the middle finger. Just like how democrats couldn’t see Hillary losing, I think they are blind to how this will all play out.


I agree with this. It's a symptom of having such a left left wing... that the right feels the need to go more right to counteract it. And when you start feeling hate for a group of people that you feel are threatening you in some way (e.g. what the vast majority of democrats feel towards conservatives) then you get blind to things. As the PP said, HRC supporters couldn't even comprehend the idea of Trump winning last election, even though moderates like myself could see it happening. In this case, the church-goers are so frustrated by the impact of the extended shutdowns that they just want everything back to normal, ESPECIALLY if that's what the democrats don't want, even if sitting in a room full of people is the last thing they should be doing right now.


I am really trying to understand this. Are you saying that people feel that they have make choices that they know are bad for them (sitting in a room with people per your post) because the liberals made them do it? Would you accept that line of reasoning from your teen? I wouldn’t accept it from my toddler throwing a tantrum although I might understand it.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 19:18     Subject: Evangelicals: Can you explain to me the desperation to open churches?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am trying to understand this drive to re-open churches, despite the clear public health evidence that it endangers those who attend church and the people they come in contact with.

Why so desperate? Why can people not handle church via Zoom, or praying for a few weeks only with their immediate family?


Usualy blusshit like Trump is not even a church goer nor Melania wherever she may be right now?????


+1000000
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 19:17     Subject: Re:Evangelicals: Can you explain to me the desperation to open churches?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Outrageous that churches don't pay taxes.



The real outrage is that universities with multi-billion endowments don't pay taxes.


NO Churches. How about those mega churches? Ridiculous.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 19:09     Subject: Re:Evangelicals: Can you explain to me the desperation to open churches?
Anonymous wrote:Outrageous that churches don't pay taxes. [/quote


+1000000000
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 19:09     Subject: Evangelicals: Can you explain to me the desperation to open churches?
Anonymous wrote:This is definitely political and meant to attack trumps base who is more religious — supposably- because it seems like here is very little harm on allowing people to sit on a big open church space - properly distanced with masks - probably a lot less harmful then all those people standing in line to get in to Trader Joe’s or Costco or the lines I’ve seen for unemployment!!!


Yes, given 100,000 people who are dead and their families want this mess politicalized to go after Trump's base,

You got this backwards this is Trump talking directly to his base.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 19:05     Subject: Evangelicals: Can you explain to me the desperation to open churches?
OP, Most churches are not desperate to open.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 19:03     Subject: Evangelicals: Can you explain to me the desperation to open churches?
Majority of the religious leaders are smart enough to not re-open.

If yours is re-opening, question the motives of the leadership.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 16:41     Subject: Evangelicals: Can you explain to me the desperation to open churches?
Anonymous wrote:I am trying to understand this drive to re-open churches, despite the clear public health evidence that it endangers those who attend church and the people they come in contact with.

Why so desperate? Why can people not handle church via Zoom, or praying for a few weeks only with their immediate family?


It's become a highly unproductive and politicized debate, largely because the question of whether any particular business or institution is to reopen has been framed to turn on whether that institution is "essential" or not. So it has become kind of a proxy fight between those who want the government to say "churches are essential" versus those who want the government to say "churches are not essential." Further, churches have a legal entitlement not to be treated worse than similarly-situated secular institutions, so in many cases they have a legitimate grievance when the state says institution x, y, or z can reopen, but not churches, and the question of what the right analogy is could be debated.

It's actually kind of an interesting issue from an intellectual perspective, with some nuance to think through. I suspect that the overwhelming number of people who have to consider the issue, either because they want to go to church or have to decide how to deal with them, are pretty measured and reasonable about the whole thing, as illustrated by many on this thread, and that most of this debate is really about loud partisans on both sides who are getting way too much attention and use the issue to beat the drum on pre-existing hostilities, to wit: "Your imaginary Sky Daddy must now yield to the Science" vs. "Allowing tattoo parlors, etc., but not churches to reopen is persecution of the righteous." It's all pretty silly, and largely a manufactured controversy IMO.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 16:39     Subject: Evangelicals: Can you explain to me the desperation to open churches?
Anonymous wrote:I am so glad I attend an African Methodist Church. Most black churches full understand the spiritual need and that the African-American and Hispanic communities have been hit exceptionally hard during the pandemic.

I'm going to say it and not bite my tongue. White churches don't give a damn about black churches and how the pandemic has hit the community. Sunday morning at 11am remains a testament to that fact and giving Trump his props. I guarantee he will have to send in the National Guard to force black churches to open and won't do so until WE feel it's safe to the community to do so. Period.

And we wear and will be wearing masks when the times comes whether Trump likes it or not. Period.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 16:25     Subject: Evangelicals: Can you explain to me the desperation to open churches?
Money money money
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 16:22     Subject: Evangelicals: Can you explain to me the desperation to open churches?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The same reason I want my yoga studio to reopen. That’s my church. People need their places of peace and sanctuary. Especially during these times. I think it’s reasonable if they can operate at minimum capacity and adhere to other guidelines to keep people as safe as possible.


This. People want their sense of community back in whatever form that might be. They also want to give the smug liberals who are bankrupting families and businesses the middle finger. Just like how democrats couldn’t see Hillary losing, I think they are blind to how this will all play out.


I agree with this. It's a symptom of having such a left left wing... that the right feels the need to go more right to counteract it. And when you start feeling hate for a group of people that you feel are threatening you in some way (e.g. what the vast majority of democrats feel towards conservatives) then you get blind to things. As the PP said, HRC supporters couldn't even comprehend the idea of Trump winning last election, even though moderates like myself could see it happening. In this case, the church-goers are so frustrated by the impact of the extended shutdowns that they just want everything back to normal, ESPECIALLY if that's what the democrats don't want, even if sitting in a room full of people is the last thing they should be doing right now.

Tell that to the families of George Floyd and others. I guess the need to murder him with a 180 lb police officer putting his full weight, bended knee, on Floyd's neck sort of blinded him with his left wing anger.

I am so sick and tired of this right wing conservative victimization that it's totally nauseating.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 16:22     Subject: Re:Evangelicals: Can you explain to me the desperation to open churches?
Anonymous wrote:Outrageous that churches don't pay taxes.



The real outrage is that universities with multi-billion endowments don't pay taxes.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 16:20     Subject: Evangelicals: Can you explain to me the desperation to open churches?
Anonymous wrote:I am trying to understand this drive to re-open churches, despite the clear public health evidence that it endangers those who attend church and the people they come in contact with.

Why so desperate? Why can people not handle church via Zoom, or praying for a few weeks only with their immediate family?



OP, you seem to have some serious anger issues.

Perhaps time for some Zoom therapy?