Anonymous
05/01/2020 21:52
Subject: As always, it seems people are split on opening
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Open!!! Approximately 500 dead in VA and 500,000 unemployed. Just think about that.
What's the going exchange rate between temporary unemployment and death?
Do we ban driving because 40,000 Americans die in traffic accidents each and every year? No, we mitigate risk through safety standards, traffic laws and speed limits. The strategy for COVID is mitigation and to flatten the curve. The goal isn’t, and never was, to keep anyone from getting the virus or (very unfortunately) dying. We have to be realistic about what we can and cannot achieve.
None of that is an argument in favor of opening up though. We've sacrificed a lot to mitigate this and it still has already killed at minimum more than a years worth of traffic fatalities.
The virus has killed a lot of old people in nursing homes who didnt have a lot longer to live anyway. Car accidents, on the other hand, kill young people in the prime of their lives.
Stop. This whole "only the oldest die of Covid-19" is bullshit an
d wrong. YES, more elderly will die. BUT there have been PLENTY of healthy people ages 20-50 years of age who have died. Teens have died. A healthy 27 year old who was on his way to being a WORLD CLASS researcher who might have cured cancer or Covid-19 or done some other wonderful thing died of coronavirus just last week. A 30 year old public school teacher from NYC died. Lots of younger people have died. Stop talking about this disease like it's "just the old ones who die, so who cares?"
Check the data and come back.
Yes there are cases of young healthy people dying. But they are rare. That is why they make the news when it happens. Just like when a young person dies of flu, which is also rare but entirely possible.
Anonymous
05/01/2020 20:58
Subject: As always, it seems people are split on opening
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Open!!! Approximately 500 dead in VA and 500,000 unemployed. Just think about that.
What's the going exchange rate between temporary unemployment and death?
Do we ban driving because 40,000 Americans die in traffic accidents each and every year? No, we mitigate risk through safety standards, traffic laws and speed limits. The strategy for COVID is mitigation and to flatten the curve. The goal isn’t, and never was, to keep anyone from getting the virus or (very unfortunately) dying. We have to be realistic about what we can and cannot achieve.
None of that is an argument in favor of opening up though. We've sacrificed a lot to mitigate this and it still has already killed at minimum more than a years worth of traffic fatalities.
The virus has killed a lot of old people in nursing homes who didnt have a lot longer to live anyway. Car accidents, on the other hand, kill young people in the prime of their lives.
Stop. This whole "only the oldest die of Covid-19" is bullshit and wrong. YES, more elderly will die. BUT there have been PLENTY of healthy people ages 20-50 years of age who have died. Teens have died. A healthy 27 year old who was on his way to being a WORLD CLASS researcher who might have cured cancer or Covid-19 or done some other wonderful thing died of coronavirus just last week. A 30 year old public school teacher from NYC died. Lots of younger people have died. Stop talking about this disease like it's "just the old ones who die, so who cares?"
Yes there are cases of young healthy people dying. But they are rare. That is why they make the news when it happens. Just like when a young person dies of flu, which is also rare but entirely possible.
Anonymous
05/01/2020 13:01
Subject: As always, it seems people are split on opening
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s as black and white as you say. Most people fall somewhere on a spectrum.
For me, I will feel very comfortable with outdoor activities this summer such as pools and parks, but I will probably not feel comfortable in closed environments like indoor restaurants, and definitely not Uber, taxis or public transit.
This is where I am. Outside feels right. Inside feels wrong.
Anonymous
05/01/2020 00:07
Subject: Re:As always, it seems people are split on opening
"We haven't really been affected financially by this but our hearts break for those that have."
My heart breaks for those who have died or lost a loved one. It also breaks for those who suffered through the illness and made it out alive.
We can choose to provide financial supports for those who are financially impacted right now, instead of sending stupid checks to people like me whose jobs aren't impacted and who have a very comfortable financial cushion. But we can't do anything other than throw a ventilator at the problem once someone gets sick.
My heart breaks for those who have died or lost a loved one. It also breaks for those who suffered through the illness and made it out alive.
We can choose to provide financial supports for those who are financially impacted right now, instead of sending stupid checks to people like me whose jobs aren't impacted and who have a very comfortable financial cushion. But we can't do anything other than throw a ventilator at the problem once someone gets sick.
Anonymous
04/30/2020 22:18
Subject: Re:As always, it seems people are split on opening
So WHO is telling us swimming pools are safe. WHO told us there was no pandemic, and that this virus is not highly transmittable. I believe our American doctor about swimming pools, and that they are not safe in the communities with high transmission rates due to fecal shedding. I would stay away from the pools this summer, unless health departments check them regularly for COVID19.
Anonymous
04/30/2020 22:12
Subject: As always, it seems people are split on opening
Anonymous wrote:By the way, if schools should stay closed, why should child care open? those children socially distance even worse than 5th graders do, and they need more help from their teachers to do everything, so their teachers are more at risk from the children than the elem, middle and high school teachers are from their students.
So, now that you all "need" them, childcare centers should open and put themselves at this danger that you don't want your school-agers and their teachers put under?
that's horrible.
And if they don't change the rules for #s of kids in each class, your lovely centers CANNOT AFFORD to open unless you all want to triple your tuition paid so only 8 vs 20 kids can be in a classroom.
This is what worries me. I’m afraid my daycare is going to open much sooner than I’d feel comfortable with and I won’t have an excuse to keep my daughter at home while I work anymore. I feel like any precautions we take at that point are just going to be useless. Its inevitable going to spread like crazy through childcare centers.
Anonymous
04/30/2020 21:25
Subject: As always, it seems people are split on opening
By the way, if schools should stay closed, why should child care open? those children socially distance even worse than 5th graders do, and they need more help from their teachers to do everything, so their teachers are more at risk from the children than the elem, middle and high school teachers are from their students.
So, now that you all "need" them, childcare centers should open and put themselves at this danger that you don't want your school-agers and their teachers put under?
that's horrible.
And if they don't change the rules for #s of kids in each class, your lovely centers CANNOT AFFORD to open unless you all want to triple your tuition paid so only 8 vs 20 kids can be in a classroom.
So, now that you all "need" them, childcare centers should open and put themselves at this danger that you don't want your school-agers and their teachers put under?
that's horrible.
And if they don't change the rules for #s of kids in each class, your lovely centers CANNOT AFFORD to open unless you all want to triple your tuition paid so only 8 vs 20 kids can be in a classroom.
Anonymous
04/30/2020 21:20
Subject: As always, it seems people are split on opening
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Open!!! Approximately 500 dead in VA and 500,000 unemployed. Just think about that.
What's the going exchange rate between temporary unemployment and death?
Do we ban driving because 40,000 Americans die in traffic accidents each and every year? No, we mitigate risk through safety standards, traffic laws and speed limits. The strategy for COVID is mitigation and to flatten the curve. The goal isn’t, and never was, to keep anyone from getting the virus or (very unfortunately) dying. We have to be realistic about what we can and cannot achieve.
None of that is an argument in favor of opening up though. We've sacrificed a lot to mitigate this and it still has already killed at minimum more than a years worth of traffic fatalities.
The virus has killed a lot of old people in nursing homes who didnt have a lot longer to live anyway. Car accidents, on the other hand, kill young people in the prime of their lives.
Stop. This whole "only the oldest die of Covid-19" is bullshit and wrong. YES, more elderly will die. BUT there have been PLENTY of healthy people ages 20-50 years of age who have died. Teens have died. A healthy 27 year old who was on his way to being a WORLD CLASS researcher who might have cured cancer or Covid-19 or done some other wonderful thing died of coronavirus just last week. A 30 year old public school teacher from NYC died. Lots of younger people have died. Stop talking about this disease like it's "just the old ones who die, so who cares?"
Anonymous
04/30/2020 20:49
Subject: As always, it seems people are split on opening
We are very lucky parents who can both work from home for our jobs and have been doing online mcps 5th grade at home. After a settling in period, we got things going where everyone could pretty much work and keep things going.
MCPS “school” ends June 14 and summer starts...I’m trying to solve for these two scenarios in my head (pls don’t snark at things in this text. If you disagree, move on)
1) Let’s say summer camps we’ve signed up for are open - kids are carriers and spread the virus, even if they aren’t heavily affected as a group. It seems that would just re-start a rash of infections in families around that camp, who those families interact with...etc...etc.
2) camps don’t open but jobs do. What do parents do?
It’s complicated and everyone’s situation is different. This just happens to be what I’m mulling over.
MCPS “school” ends June 14 and summer starts...I’m trying to solve for these two scenarios in my head (pls don’t snark at things in this text. If you disagree, move on)
1) Let’s say summer camps we’ve signed up for are open - kids are carriers and spread the virus, even if they aren’t heavily affected as a group. It seems that would just re-start a rash of infections in families around that camp, who those families interact with...etc...etc.
2) camps don’t open but jobs do. What do parents do?
It’s complicated and everyone’s situation is different. This just happens to be what I’m mulling over.