Anonymous
Post 04/30/2020 12:56     Subject: Colleges and Universities almost universally plan to be open in the fall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Life goes on. After an 8 week period during the 1918-19 Spanish Flu the flu died off. People moved on with their lives.


This is wildly, laughably wrong. The Spanish flu had 3 major waves in the US starting in 1918 and continuing until 1920. The second -- which came as restrictions were being relaxed -- killed most people, but people were still dying from the Spanish flu in 1920.


Killed "most people"? Yes, the second wave was more deadly, but estimates for the total of Spanish flu deaths in the US are 0.5 to 0.8 percent of the population.


DP. When an illness's mortality percentages include your own child, they become far less objective. I'm guessing you don't have a college age kid right now who is possibly returning to a campus that could become an outbreak hotspot. Which is pretty much any campus, as far as we know right now. Go on, talk about how "numbers, not fear" should always rule. Objectively true. But still not something that gets far with anyone who has a college student right now. I'm sure the families of the 60,000 people killed by Covid so far would find statistics about their loved ones' drop-in-the-bucket deaths less than calming.


Your college age kid has a higher percentage of dying in a car crash on the way back to college than dying of CV. Also, higher likelihood of suicide. But have those statistics prompted you to keep that kid home from college before? You have completely lost perspective. Congratulations.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2020 12:52     Subject: Colleges and Universities almost universally plan to be open in the fall
Anonymous wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-pushes-colleges-to-the-breaking-point-forcing-hard-choices-about-education-11588256157?mod=hp_lead_pos4

Colleges are projected to be less crowded. It sounds like a lot of the deadwood jobs will be discontinued. This is a good thing. There is a huge amount of "administration" jobs on campus that have nothing to do with student education.

Colleges have been on a financial gravy train for decades with no real world budgeting.


It's a good thing a lot of people will become unemployed? That's like saying "I don't like a lot of restaurants, I hope they all go out of business" -- you aren't everyone or anyone else.

I also wonder how many people actually listened to the podcast and/or read the Brown President's Op-Ed or the just linked Wall Street Journal article, versus are just here to vent their agenda.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2020 12:49     Subject: Colleges and Universities almost universally plan to be open in the fall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Life goes on. After an 8 week period during the 1918-19 Spanish Flu the flu died off. People moved on with their lives.


This is wildly, laughably wrong. The Spanish flu had 3 major waves in the US starting in 1918 and continuing until 1920. The second -- which came as restrictions were being relaxed -- killed most people, but people were still dying from the Spanish flu in 1920.


Killed "most people"? Yes, the second wave was more deadly, but estimates for the total of Spanish flu deaths in the US are 0.5 to 0.8 percent of the population.


NP: Your reading comprehension is a bit off--the "most people" is relative to the total number of people who died in the pandemic, not a reference to a broader population.


No my reading comprehension is fine and I understood the point, that most of the Spanish Flu victims died in the second wave. It was the wording that was off. "The second killed most people." Doesn't that, as written, imply that a majority of the population died, i.e. "Most people".

Anonymous
Post 04/30/2020 12:40     Subject: Colleges and Universities almost universally plan to be open in the fall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Life goes on. After an 8 week period during the 1918-19 Spanish Flu the flu died off. People moved on with their lives.


This is wildly, laughably wrong. The Spanish flu had 3 major waves in the US starting in 1918 and continuing until 1920. The second -- which came as restrictions were being relaxed -- killed most people, but people were still dying from the Spanish flu in 1920.


Killed "most people"? Yes, the second wave was more deadly, but estimates for the total of Spanish flu deaths in the US are 0.5 to 0.8 percent of the population.


DP. When an illness's mortality percentages include your own child, they become far less objective. I'm guessing you don't have a college age kid right now who is possibly returning to a campus that could become an outbreak hotspot. Which is pretty much any campus, as far as we know right now. Go on, talk about how "numbers, not fear" should always rule. Objectively true. But still not something that gets far with anyone who has a college student right now. I'm sure the families of the 60,000 people killed by Covid so far would find statistics about their loved ones' drop-in-the-bucket deaths less than calming.

You are free not to send your college student back to campus if and when they reopen.

Most people in this forum have a college student right now. Most people notice that the risk of death from driving a car is far greater than the risk of dying from coronavirus, and yet still drive.


There is no way to calculate the equivalency of that risk. We don't know that if you count every minute that you drive whether your relative risk of dying in the next month from driving is not higher than if you count every minute that you are exposed to a social contact during a pandemic your chance of dying from covid 19. We don't have a way of calculating that risk at this point.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2020 12:36     Subject: Colleges and Universities almost universally plan to be open in the fall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Life goes on. After an 8 week period during the 1918-19 Spanish Flu the flu died off. People moved on with their lives.


This is wildly, laughably wrong. The Spanish flu had 3 major waves in the US starting in 1918 and continuing until 1920. The second -- which came as restrictions were being relaxed -- killed most people, but people were still dying from the Spanish flu in 1920.


Killed "most people"? Yes, the second wave was more deadly, but estimates for the total of Spanish flu deaths in the US are 0.5 to 0.8 percent of the population.


NP: Your reading comprehension is a bit off--the "most people" is relative to the total number of people who died in the pandemic, not a reference to a broader population.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2020 11:13     Subject: Colleges and Universities almost universally plan to be open in the fall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Life goes on. After an 8 week period during the 1918-19 Spanish Flu the flu died off. People moved on with their lives.


This is wildly, laughably wrong. The Spanish flu had 3 major waves in the US starting in 1918 and continuing until 1920. The second -- which came as restrictions were being relaxed -- killed most people, but people were still dying from the Spanish flu in 1920.


Killed "most people"? Yes, the second wave was more deadly, but estimates for the total of Spanish flu deaths in the US are 0.5 to 0.8 percent of the population.


DP. When an illness's mortality percentages include your own child, they become far less objective. I'm guessing you don't have a college age kid right now who is possibly returning to a campus that could become an outbreak hotspot. Which is pretty much any campus, as far as we know right now. Go on, talk about how "numbers, not fear" should always rule. Objectively true. But still not something that gets far with anyone who has a college student right now. I'm sure the families of the 60,000 people killed by Covid so far would find statistics about their loved ones' drop-in-the-bucket deaths less than calming.


I am honestly surprised how unconcerned the supposed parents on this thread are. Everyone continues to look at this as a binary -- death or not. I had a student with COVID who was very, very sick for several weeks. She wasn't hospitalized but she is traumatized by her experience nonetheless. Anyone thinking their child is going to have anything close to the normal college experience if they go back to campus is seriously delusional. These universities need your money but at the same time they need to minimize their liability. They also need to make sure they don't overwhelm the hospitals in these college towns.


Yet, there are absolutely clueless parents throughout this board whining about having to pay "full price" for online classes; and wanting to try to transfer into their top choice onc COVID is over. Won't happen people - you can't have it both ways.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2020 11:08     Subject: Colleges and Universities almost universally plan to be open in the fall
Anonymous wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-pushes-colleges-to-the-breaking-point-forcing-hard-choices-about-education-11588256157?mod=hp_lead_pos4

Colleges are projected to be less crowded. It sounds like a lot of the deadwood jobs will be discontinued. This is a good thing. There is a huge amount of "administration" jobs on campus that have nothing to do with student education.

Colleges have been on a financial gravy train for decades with no real world budgeting.


You clearly need more research than one article. Stop spreading misinformation. Educate yourself.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2020 11:04     Subject: Colleges and Universities almost universally plan to be open in the fall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Life goes on. After an 8 week period during the 1918-19 Spanish Flu the flu died off. People moved on with their lives.


This is wildly, laughably wrong. The Spanish flu had 3 major waves in the US starting in 1918 and continuing until 1920. The second -- which came as restrictions were being relaxed -- killed most people, but people were still dying from the Spanish flu in 1920.


Killed "most people"? Yes, the second wave was more deadly, but estimates for the total of Spanish flu deaths in the US are 0.5 to 0.8 percent of the population.


DP. When an illness's mortality percentages include your own child, they become far less objective. I'm guessing you don't have a college age kid right now who is possibly returning to a campus that could become an outbreak hotspot. Which is pretty much any campus, as far as we know right now. Go on, talk about how "numbers, not fear" should always rule. Objectively true. But still not something that gets far with anyone who has a college student right now. I'm sure the families of the 60,000 people killed by Covid so far would find statistics about their loved ones' drop-in-the-bucket deaths less than calming.

You are free not to send your college student back to campus if and when they reopen.

Most people in this forum have a college student right now. Most people notice that the risk of death from driving a car is far greater than the risk of dying from coronavirus, and yet still drive.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2020 11:03     Subject: Colleges and Universities almost universally plan to be open in the fall
https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-pushes-colleges-to-the-breaking-point-forcing-hard-choices-about-education-11588256157?mod=hp_lead_pos4

Colleges are projected to be less crowded. It sounds like a lot of the deadwood jobs will be discontinued. This is a good thing. There is a huge amount of "administration" jobs on campus that have nothing to do with student education.

Colleges have been on a financial gravy train for decades with no real world budgeting.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2020 11:02     Subject: Colleges and Universities almost universally plan to be open in the fall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Life goes on. After an 8 week period during the 1918-19 Spanish Flu the flu died off. People moved on with their lives.


This is wildly, laughably wrong. The Spanish flu had 3 major waves in the US starting in 1918 and continuing until 1920. The second -- which came as restrictions were being relaxed -- killed most people, but people were still dying from the Spanish flu in 1920.


Killed "most people"? Yes, the second wave was more deadly, but estimates for the total of Spanish flu deaths in the US are 0.5 to 0.8 percent of the population.


DP. When an illness's mortality percentages include your own child, they become far less objective. I'm guessing you don't have a college age kid right now who is possibly returning to a campus that could become an outbreak hotspot. Which is pretty much any campus, as far as we know right now. Go on, talk about how "numbers, not fear" should always rule. Objectively true. But still not something that gets far with anyone who has a college student right now. I'm sure the families of the 60,000 people killed by Covid so far would find statistics about their loved ones' drop-in-the-bucket deaths less than calming.


I am honestly surprised how unconcerned the supposed parents on this thread are. Everyone continues to look at this as a binary -- death or not. I had a student with COVID who was very, very sick for several weeks. She wasn't hospitalized but she is traumatized by her experience nonetheless. Anyone thinking their child is going to have anything close to the normal college experience if they go back to campus is seriously delusional. These universities need your money but at the same time they need to minimize their liability. They also need to make sure they don't overwhelm the hospitals in these college towns.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2020 10:54     Subject: Colleges and Universities almost universally plan to be open in the fall
Withdraw your child.

It will open up space for another child at the university who wants to be there.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2020 10:50     Subject: Colleges and Universities almost universally plan to be open in the fall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Life goes on. After an 8 week period during the 1918-19 Spanish Flu the flu died off. People moved on with their lives.


This is wildly, laughably wrong. The Spanish flu had 3 major waves in the US starting in 1918 and continuing until 1920. The second -- which came as restrictions were being relaxed -- killed most people, but people were still dying from the Spanish flu in 1920.


Killed "most people"? Yes, the second wave was more deadly, but estimates for the total of Spanish flu deaths in the US are 0.5 to 0.8 percent of the population.


My grandmother lived through the Spanish Flu epidemic in hard hit Philadelphia. She also lived through whooping cough, diptheria, measles, german measles, and typhoid and trench mouth. She still managed to graduate from high school and go to a 4 year college and graduate. Philadelphia was locked down for 8 weeks during the Spanish Flu epidemic. The city was not locked down for three years. People got on with their lives.

Anonymous
Post 04/30/2020 10:44     Subject: Colleges and Universities almost universally plan to be open in the fall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Life goes on. After an 8 week period during the 1918-19 Spanish Flu the flu died off. People moved on with their lives.


This is wildly, laughably wrong. The Spanish flu had 3 major waves in the US starting in 1918 and continuing until 1920. The second -- which came as restrictions were being relaxed -- killed most people, but people were still dying from the Spanish flu in 1920.


Killed "most people"? Yes, the second wave was more deadly, but estimates for the total of Spanish flu deaths in the US are 0.5 to 0.8 percent of the population.


DP. When an illness's mortality percentages include your own child, they become far less objective. I'm guessing you don't have a college age kid right now who is possibly returning to a campus that could become an outbreak hotspot. Which is pretty much any campus, as far as we know right now. Go on, talk about how "numbers, not fear" should always rule. Objectively true. But still not something that gets far with anyone who has a college student right now. I'm sure the families of the 60,000 people killed by Covid so far would find statistics about their loved ones' drop-in-the-bucket deaths less than calming.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2020 10:12     Subject: Colleges and Universities almost universally plan to be open in the fall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Life goes on. After an 8 week period during the 1918-19 Spanish Flu the flu died off. People moved on with their lives.


This is wildly, laughably wrong. The Spanish flu had 3 major waves in the US starting in 1918 and continuing until 1920. The second -- which came as restrictions were being relaxed -- killed most people, but people were still dying from the Spanish flu in 1920.


Killed "most people"? Yes, the second wave was more deadly, but estimates for the total of Spanish flu deaths in the US are 0.5 to 0.8 percent of the population.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2020 09:46     Subject: Re:Colleges and Universities almost universally plan to be open in the fall
Memo to Williams College faculty outlining 8 possible scenarios and pros/cons https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gfEIyw4szD2EfTWZnj1Mfk0tNMZNU-ia/view

https://williamsrecord.com/2020/04/a-look-into-the-colleges-deliberations-on-the-fall-2020-semester/

In sum, there are no good solutions.