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Anonymous wrote:Fall is second wave. We will close again and just after we get a taste of being open. My kids still love to play but I wonder at what point does it all fall apart. Sorry I just saw CDC report

If the clubs don't collect deposits this Spring then a lot will have major problems. They know this and that is why all existing players are getting offers. Do your research in other parts of the US and what issues youth sports faces. Ignore the posers on here from club admin that want us to pay for a fall of non-soccer. Lots of fake posts here.

Are player parents that are already receiving offers seeing potentially prorated fees for 20-21?

If your DC is on a lower team, there is no need to pay a dime. When clubs that are left pick up the pieces and continue in 2021, there will be an opportunity to pay and rejoin. They will need ALL the money from as many as they can get. Don't get sucked into false promises of moving up to the top A or B team now for a fall season of Zoom soccer, and then just get displaced in 2021.

If you are on A or B at a big club, no need to pay either. They will pressure parents and tell them their DC's spot is "lost" and it will go to someone else, but once things begin in 2021 there will be big opportunities for players to rejoin and pay then. Every honest coach will tell you this. Do you know any coaches? Come on folks.

There are lots of coaches and club admins posting on here trying to keep things optimistic before a critical mass of parents start pulling out of the Zoom meetings and training leaderboards nonsense. They know that as parents find out there is no hope of Fall soccer, then the whole club crumbles over summer and big club cuts have to happen.

It is amazing how Disneyworld gives back refunds on paid-in annual passes, but so many parents are so scared of upsetting their coach or club that they are afraid to stop forcing their DC to do this virtual stuff, le alone request a refund. Give your money to an unemployed family instead of paying for Fall Zoom soccer because you are a scared rule-follower.

Lots of clubs don't like posts like this, so expect a backlash. We told both of our coaches our DCs couldn't do any of this online virtual soccer right now, and they were totally fine with it and understood and appreciated the honesty. Both top players on A teams. We do our own thing when we can (twice a week) at a privately owned grass area. We told them we would be back in touch at summertime once we had the bandwidth to deal with more stuff.

NO PROBLEM OR BACKLASH AT ALL from the coach and club. Both my DC will play on a local top A team come 2021, promise you that. And if our current club has an a-hole who somehow comes in and forces our DC out to 3rd or 4th team (and every other A/B family that has refused to put down more money), then there are a lot of other options in town.

Without Fall soccer, clubs' survivals are at issue and they don't want any family to start a snowball effect by being the first to opt out. Well, we did at our club. With neither my wife or I working and all these health issues and home schooling . . . well, Zoom soccer become a total charade.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/04/dutch-reopen-primary-schools-and-daycare-but-ban-events-to-september/

NL opening up schools and youth sports with very specific guidelines at different ages. No professional sports until Sept 1.

Netherlands at per capita has been hit harder than US - cases, deaths, and death rate. Will be interesting case study. .

We will probably need Germany & other European countries to lead the way for us on this. Too much media and politically driven hysteria here for us to see things clearly. Amazing that we have been able to turn a virus into a political issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Fall is second wave. We will close again and just after we get a taste of being open. My kids still love to play but I wonder at what point does it all fall apart. Sorry I just saw CDC report

If the clubs don't collect deposits this Spring then a lot will have major problems. They know this and that is why all existing players are getting offers. Do your research in other parts of the US and what issues youth sports faces. Ignore the posers on here from club admin that want us to pay for a fall of non-soccer. Lots of fake posts here.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I don't think there will be anything this summer. Too risky. People are saying maybe June or July just to keep hopes up and string us along. Plus there are way too many parents who won't allow their kids to play even if they do allow training in the summer. I believe Fall at the earliest for games.

People are not going to keep being hermits for the high risk.

Sure, maybe your and my kid will be out there, but there will be ALOT of kids not allowed. Alot people will not be ready to send their kids out to play soccer in June with no treatments available, etc. What will the liability be to the clubs? Will the clubs and coaches want that responsibility? Will the clubs want this headache?

Don’t buy into the fear. Use facts, how many teenagers have died in the US from covid? How many tweens have died in the US from covid? How many infants and toddlers have died from covid? If they do get sick it’s like the flu at worse for them. I know it’s scary but if you actually look at the facts it really isn’t that scary. Now if you have someone that is high risk maybe it’s a different story for you but life will move forward by June.

June? What states are going to be fully into phase 3 by June? What local governments are going to allow mass gatherings without social distancing by June? Whether or not some people want to assume the risk is not really relevant, the government types are going to move very slowly on this...

+1 There is no possibility of summer or even Fall soccer. Do your research and stop prognosticating about teenagers. This guy is correct. Government plans in major markets are targeting next year. I am sure lots of parent will put down deposits and find this out the hard way.

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Anonymous wrote:He is still correct and any person in a position of leadership including POTUS, Gov, Mator. The entire point of the lockdown was to control the spread so that we can get the economy back up. Now that we ae more than a month end, there is real damage to the economy and going much past May 1st is not going to happen, even in NYC. Now what that means for soccer is another issue but sports are part of the economy. Youth sports will get back up and running at some point this summer.

If kids can be in school, they can certainly play outside. Whether you want to take any risk is up to you. But it seems a little nutty to think kids will go to school, but schools won’t let them play at recess. Why would youth sports be on hold while classes continue? I don’t care about youth sports but I actually do care about people having a reasoned, well-defined view of relative risks and costs. Or understanding that nobody is saying that youth sports is essential. It’s not, and that is why it is shut down now. If lockdown lifts, there are a variety of nonessential activities that will be available, even if they aren’t to your household.

Step one is get schools to open. Sorry, but they are preparing to deliver distance Ed in the fall.

Doesn’t mean they won’t be open but if you think that by June life is gonna return to what it was in January you are naive.

Just relax, hope for the best but plan for a longer shut down.

Without a vaccine we are realistically looking at cyclical and phased openings and shut downs.

What we won’t know upon reopening is the kickback of a second wave.

Everybody knows things wont be normal. But we're not going to put life on hold and cannot afford to destroy people's lives and the economy while doing nothing to eliminate the virus. YOU need to relax and get your head around THAT.

With the high probability of second wave shutdowns people will be risk averse to put money down AGAIN on any youth sport that may very well end up being spent on Zoom.

While gyms may open and schools may open people may not have the discretionary income for youth sports until things are more normal.

While the economy will open youth sports are not integral to the economy. Sending kids to school without a real choice not to is different than expanding the risk to youth sports that may require hotel stays and other unnecessary travel.

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Anonymous wrote:He is still correct and any person in a position of leadership including POTUS, Gov, Mator. The entire point of the lockdown was to control the spread so that we can get the economy back up. Now that we ae more than a month end, there is real damage to the economy and going much past May 1st is not going to happen, even in NYC. Now what that means for soccer is another issue but sports are part of the economy. Youth sports will get back up and running at some point this summer.

If kids can be in school, they can certainly play outside. Whether you want to take any risk is up to you. But it seems a little nutty to think kids will go to school, but schools won’t let them play at recess. Why would youth sports be on hold while classes continue? I don’t care about youth sports but I actually do care about people having a reasoned, well-defined view of relative risks and costs. Or understanding that nobody is saying that youth sports is essential. It’s not, and that is why it is shut down now. If lockdown lifts, there are a variety of nonessential activities that will be available, even if they aren’t to your household.

Step one is get schools to open. Sorry, but they are preparing to deliver distance Ed in the fall.

Doesn’t mean they won’t be open but if you think that by June life is gonna return to what it was in January you are naive.

Just relax, hope for the best but plan for a longer shut down.

Without a vaccine we are realistically looking at cyclical and phased openings and shut downs.

What we won’t know upon reopening is the kickback of a second wave.

Everybody knows things wont be normal. But we're not going to put life on hold and cannot afford to destroy people's lives and the economy while doing nothing to eliminate the virus. YOU need to relax and get your head around THAT.

Who is "we" when you say "we're not going to put life on hold..."? This is might point. You might not put your life on hold. I might put my life on hold, but SOOOOOOO many people will. SOOOOO many people will not risk putting their kid in soccer, or going to the gym, or whatever just because they can. Look at what was happening BEFORE the orders to close non essential businesses. People weren't doing these things. I mean noone can force everyone to get back to normal. You are just (hoping maybe) that people will get back to normal?

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Anonymous wrote:He is still correct and any person in a position of leadership including POTUS, Gov, Mator. The entire point of the lockdown was to control the spread so that we can get the economy back up. Now that we ae more than a month end, there is real damage to the economy and going much past May 1st is not going to happen, even in NYC. Now what that means for soccer is another issue but sports are part of the economy. Youth sports will get back up and running at some point this summer.

If kids can be in school, they can certainly play outside. Whether you want to take any risk is up to you. But it seems a little nutty to think kids will go to school, but schools won’t let them play at recess. Why would youth sports be on hold while classes continue? I don’t care about youth sports but I actually do care about people having a reasoned, well-defined view of relative risks and costs. Or understanding that nobody is saying that youth sports is essential. It’s not, and that is why it is shut down now. If lockdown lifts, there are a variety of nonessential activities that will be available, even if they aren’t to your household.

I doubt kids will even go back to school in the Fall. You have to come to terms with nothing will be normal for a long time. yes, we need to open up the communities again, but these declarations by unreliable govt officials don't mean that people will go back to their normal routines. Even if businesses open up, restaurant business will be a fraction of what it used to be, nails, massage parlors, salons, gyms, etc. A fraction will be going to concerts, arenas, conventions, airplanes, trains, hotels....just because they are open, doesn't mean they will be used. It's still up to the people and I don't think most of the people are ready to do this stuff yet. That's why I don't think soccer or sports in general will be back to normal until probably next Spring. Remember, opening up the communities will bring another spike in people getting getting sick, which will increase the amount of fear again. There will be an ebb and flow for months. I don't see how a consistent soccer season fits into that ebb and flow of fear and panic.

Did I miss the memo on why Germans, Danes, and others are somehow immune such that their returning of children to schools does not raise any of these issues? We all know this. You are not educating anybody. You can be aware of the same facts and draw different inferences about what can and should be next.

I believe that Holland said no soccer games until September 1st at the earliest.

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Anonymous wrote:He is still correct and any person in a position of leadership including POTUS, Gov, Mator. The entire point of the lockdown was to control the spread so that we can get the economy back up. Now that we ae more than a month end, there is real damage to the economy and going much past May 1st is not going to happen, even in NYC. Now what that means for soccer is another issue but sports are part of the economy. Youth sports will get back up and running at some point this summer.

If kids can be in school, they can certainly play outside. Whether you want to take any risk is up to you. But it seems a little nutty to think kids will go to school, but schools won’t let them play at recess. Why would youth sports be on hold while classes continue? I don’t care about youth sports but I actually do care about people having a reasoned, well-defined view of relative risks and costs. Or understanding that nobody is saying that youth sports is essential. It’s not, and that is why it is shut down now. If lockdown lifts, there are a variety of nonessential activities that will be available, even if they aren’t to your household.

I doubt kids will even go back to school in the Fall. You have to come to terms with nothing will be normal for a long time. yes, we need to open up the communities again, but these declarations by unreliable govt officials don't mean that people will go back to their normal routines. Even if businesses open up, restaurant business will be a fraction of what it used to be, nails, massage parlors, salons, gyms, etc. A fraction will be going to concerts, arenas, conventions, airplanes, trains, hotels....just because they are open, doesn't mean they will be used. It's still up to the people and I don't think most of the people are ready to do this stuff yet. That's why I don't think soccer or sports in general will be back to normal until probably next Spring. Remember, opening up the communities will bring another spike in people getting getting sick, which will increase the amount of fear again. There will be an ebb and flow for months. I don't see how a consistent soccer season fits into that ebb and flow of fear and panic.

Did I miss the memo on why Germans, Danes, and others are somehow immune such that their returning of children to schools does not raise any of these issues? We all know this. You are not educating anybody. You can be aware of the same facts and draw different inferences about what can and should be next.

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Anonymous wrote:He is still correct and any person in a position of leadership including POTUS, Gov, Mator. The entire point of the lockdown was to control the spread so that we can get the economy back up. Now that we ae more than a month end, there is real damage to the economy and going much past May 1st is not going to happen, even in NYC. Now what that means for soccer is another issue but sports are part of the economy. Youth sports will get back up and running at some point this summer.

If kids can be in school, they can certainly play outside. Whether you want to take any risk is up to you. But it seems a little nutty to think kids will go to school, but schools won’t let them play at recess. Why would youth sports be on hold while classes continue? I don’t care about youth sports but I actually do care about people having a reasoned, well-defined view of relative risks and costs. Or understanding that nobody is saying that youth sports is essential. It’s not, and that is why it is shut down now. If lockdown lifts, there are a variety of nonessential activities that will be available, even if they aren’t to your household.

Step one is get schools to open. Sorry, but they are preparing to deliver distance Ed in the fall.

Doesn’t mean they won’t be open but if you think that by June life is gonna return to what it was in January you are naive.

Just relax, hope for the best but plan for a longer shut down.

Without a vaccine we are realistically looking at cyclical and phased openings and shut downs.

What we won’t know upon reopening is the kickback of a second wave.

Everybody knows things wont be normal. But we're not going to put life on hold and cannot afford to destroy people's lives and the economy while doing nothing to eliminate the virus. YOU need to relax and get your head around THAT.

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Anonymous wrote:He is still correct and any person in a position of leadership including POTUS, Gov, Mator. The entire point of the lockdown was to control the spread so that we can get the economy back up. Now that we ae more than a month end, there is real damage to the economy and going much past May 1st is not going to happen, even in NYC. Now what that means for soccer is another issue but sports are part of the economy. Youth sports will get back up and running at some point this summer.

If kids can be in school, they can certainly play outside. Whether you want to take any risk is up to you. But it seems a little nutty to think kids will go to school, but schools won’t let them play at recess. Why would youth sports be on hold while classes continue? I don’t care about youth sports but I actually do care about people having a reasoned, well-defined view of relative risks and costs. Or understanding that nobody is saying that youth sports is essential. It’s not, and that is why it is shut down now. If lockdown lifts, there are a variety of nonessential activities that will be available, even if they aren’t to your household.

I doubt kids will even go back to school in the Fall. You have to come to terms with nothing will be normal for a long time. yes, we need to open up the communities again, but these declarations by unreliable govt officials don't mean that people will go back to their normal routines. Even if businesses open up, restaurant business will be a fraction of what it used to be, nails, massage parlors, salons, gyms, etc. A fraction will be going to concerts, arenas, conventions, airplanes, trains, hotels....just because they are open, doesn't mean they will be used. It's still up to the people and I don't think most of the people are ready to do this stuff yet. That's why I don't think soccer or sports in general will be back to normal until probably next Spring. Remember, opening up the communities will bring another spike in people getting getting sick, which will increase the amount of fear again. There will be an ebb and flow for months. I don't see how a consistent soccer season fits into that ebb and flow of fear and panic.

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Anonymous wrote:He is still correct and any person in a position of leadership including POTUS, Gov, Mator. The entire point of the lockdown was to control the spread so that we can get the economy back up. Now that we ae more than a month end, there is real damage to the economy and going much past May 1st is not going to happen, even in NYC. Now what that means for soccer is another issue but sports are part of the economy. Youth sports will get back up and running at some point this summer.

If kids can be in school, they can certainly play outside. Whether you want to take any risk is up to you. But it seems a little nutty to think kids will go to school, but schools won’t let them play at recess. Why would youth sports be on hold while classes continue? I don’t care about youth sports but I actually do care about people having a reasoned, well-defined view of relative risks and costs. Or understanding that nobody is saying that youth sports is essential. It’s not, and that is why it is shut down now. If lockdown lifts, there are a variety of nonessential activities that will be available, even if they aren’t to your household.

Step one is get schools to open. Sorry, but they are preparing to deliver distance Ed in the fall.

Doesn’t mean they won’t be open but if you think that by June life is gonna return to what it was in January you are naive.

Just relax, hope for the best but plan for a longer shut down.

Without a vaccine we are realistically looking at cyclical and phased openings and shut downs.

What we won’t know upon reopening is the kickback of a second wave.

Anonymous wrote:He is still correct and any person in a position of leadership including POTUS, Gov, Mator. The entire point of the lockdown was to control the spread so that we can get the economy back up. Now that we ae more than a month end, there is real damage to the economy and going much past May 1st is not going to happen, even in NYC. Now what that means for soccer is another issue but sports are part of the economy. Youth sports will get back up and running at some point this summer.

If kids can be in school, they can certainly play outside. Whether you want to take any risk is up to you. But it seems a little nutty to think kids will go to school, but schools won’t let them play at recess. Why would youth sports be on hold while classes continue? I don’t care about youth sports but I actually do care about people having a reasoned, well-defined view of relative risks and costs. Or understanding that nobody is saying that youth sports is essential. It’s not, and that is why it is shut down now. If lockdown lifts, there are a variety of nonessential activities that will be available, even if they aren’t to your household.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, you are confusing the need to gradually open up non essential businesses with commencing kid soccer practices and leagues in the summer. Two totally different things. Kid soccer is not essential. Kid soccer will not be the same for a long time.

You may be correct in terms of predicting how our governments will respond. I think that would be a terrible shame however. Every 80 year I have spoken with does not wish to live at the expense of their grandchildrens' normal childhoods of which social interactions including sports are a key part.

I think it would be an especially terrible shame given that
- evidence is increasingly strong that the virus' virulence is not nearly as bad as was initially feared with most credible estimates now suggesting a fatality rate of 0.2% to 0.4% (i.e. worse than the 'flu, but not massively worse)
- there is evidence (e.g. Lancet study) that, unlike influenza, corona viruses are not easily spread by children in any case.

That of course is just my opinion.

He is still correct and any person in a position of leadership including POTUS, Gov, Mator. The entire point of the lockdown was to control the spread so that we can get the economy back up. Now that we ae more than a month end, there is real damage to the economy and going much past May 1st is not going to happen, even in NYC. Now what that means for soccer is another issue but sports are part of the economy. Youth sports will get back up and running at some point this summer.