Anonymous
04/08/2020 16:20
Subject: Re:If you're having playdates, do youn also not believe in vaccines?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the posters saying they are letting their kids play with neighbors' kids for their "mental health". Do you really think your kids would suffer that much having to hang out with their parents? Even if you are tied up with work a lot of the day? I am finding that hard to believe in light of what we know about actual traumatic stressors that affect children. I think the parents allowing this are doing this to make their own lives easier but telling themselves it's for the sake of the kids.
+1.
+ 2
I agree that this is more about the parents than the kids, and they're using their kids as an excuse.
People are still going to the grocery store, picking up food, ordering packages... so while I get the idea that you *think* you're keeping the circle small... it's a facade. And a profoundly selfish, stupid thing to do.
Come up with other plans. I know people are frustrated, but so is everyone. Doesn't mean you have to stay locked indoors all day every day, but enact a little discipline.
+1000
THIS!
I have some acquaintances who are doing this stuff and I don't think I'll ever fully respect them again. Their stupidity knows no bounds.
You need some help. You’re not going to “forgive” people who are having packages delivered? I just had my sons essential life supporting medicine delivered. You wouldn’t know what that was nor should you. But the idea that You’re out there deciding that’s wrong is... insane. Get some help.
The point was that people are having playdates with others saying that both families are completely isolated...but no one is completely isolated! People are still grocery shopping, receiving packages, getting takeout, running into work every now and then etc. The playdates are the "stuff" the poster was writing about. No one is judging you for receiving packages!
None of my friends are "running into work"
I think 1 family member getting groceries once a week and deliveries are low risk.
Here's my opinion for what it's worth. Grocery shopping is low enough risk for me to do it maybe every other week and come home to my family (currently we're doing delivery). But not low enough to put another family at risk. We don't know what we don't know about this virus. But there's enough data out there about asymptomatic carriers to give me pause about grocery shopping and then interacting with others. If you contract the virus and are asymptomatic, how many people could you infect by continuing playdates at a neighbors? Certainly your neighbors. Possibly the people they interact with at the grocery store? The elderly neighbor who gets a little too close for a chat in their driveway? If your first reaction to this line of thought is "That's crazy!" Is it really?
That is for you to decide for you and for me to decide for me and for my neighbor to decide for them.
How many cases do we have of 11 year olds that were riding bikes together... asking for a a neighbor.
You clearly don’t understand how this all works.
Anonymous
04/08/2020 15:17
Subject: Re:If you're having playdates, do youn also not believe in vaccines?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, I think grocery shopping with delivery is roughly equivalent to grocery shopping on your own. If you’re getting other non life sustaining things shipped to your house, I think you are not considering the risk that puts on people indoors in the warehouses and in the indoor mailrooms. And, I’m right that none of you responding to me are considering this at all.
Grocery delivery is definitely safer than going out for groceries. But you are absolutely right about the risks behind the scenes for warehouse workers and delivery personnel. And you are ALSO right about keeping deliveries down to just the essentials. One of the best ways we can decrease the risk for those crucial, frontline folks is to STAY AT HOME and keep our kids at home as well.
I don't think grocery delivery is safer and there really is very little evidence that it is. Regardless, getting food is essential, and nobody has suggested that one should stop going. Most people are sending one person every 2 weeks - there are no delivery slots available anyway - and wearing masks, etc. As for this stupid "quarantining with another family" BS I keep reading about on FB and here, you are all seriously so juvenile and just plain weird. From what I can see it is all "Mamas" with "littles" who are waiting for "wine o clock." Or are you all swingers? Can you not watch your own kids? Are you all super bored? So, so so so so so freaking odd.
Some people may be working while their kids are home.
Anonymous
04/08/2020 15:14
Subject: Re:If you're having playdates, do youn also not believe in vaccines?
Anonymous wrote:No, I think grocery shopping with delivery is roughly equivalent to grocery shopping on your own. If you’re getting other non life sustaining things shipped to your house, I think you are not considering the risk that puts on people indoors in the warehouses and in the indoor mailrooms. And, I’m right that none of you responding to me are considering this at all.
Grocery delivery is definitely safer than going out for groceries. But you are absolutely right about the risks behind the scenes for warehouse workers and delivery personnel. And you are ALSO right about keeping deliveries down to just the essentials. One of the best ways we can decrease the risk for those crucial, frontline folks is to STAY AT HOME and keep our kids at home as well.
I don't think grocery delivery is safer and there really is very little evidence that it is. Regardless, getting food is essential, and nobody has suggested that one should stop going. Most people are sending one person every 2 weeks - there are no delivery slots available anyway - and wearing masks, etc. As for this stupid "quarantining with another family" BS I keep reading about on FB and here, you are all seriously so juvenile and just plain weird. From what I can see it is all "Mamas" with "littles" who are waiting for "wine o clock." Or are you all swingers? Can you not watch your own kids? Are you all super bored? So, so so so so so freaking odd.
Anonymous
04/08/2020 15:03
Subject: Re:If you're having playdates, do youn also not believe in vaccines?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, I think grocery shopping with delivery is roughly equivalent to grocery shopping on your own. If you’re getting other non life sustaining things shipped to your house, I think you are not considering the risk that puts on people indoors in the warehouses and in the indoor mailrooms. And, I’m right that none of you responding to me are considering this at all.
Grocery delivery is definitely safer than going out for groceries. But you are absolutely right about the risks behind the scenes for warehouse workers and delivery personnel. And you are ALSO right about keeping deliveries down to just the essentials. One of the best ways we can decrease the risk for those crucial, frontline folks is to STAY AT HOME and keep our kids at home as well.
Not this matters, because I think you largely understand what I am trying to say - but I meant one person getting grocery delivery and one person going grocery shopping themselves has a roughly equivalent societal risk. I do believe getting grocery delivery is less risky to the recipient than shopping yourself which is why I leave those hard to come by slots for people higher at risk.
And by the way, I offered to watch my college roommate’s kids on the off chance she and her husband were both hospitalized. Not sure if the shamers are alienating people from doing that for them or not. My sister will have to come to town if I need care for my kids. Though I think the risk of anyone being hospitalized at the same time as their spouse is low.