Anonymous
04/02/2020 15:44
Subject: Maryland - Shelter in place
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Peolle should isolate people should stay home but it’s unconstitutional to compel them to do so no matter how many people might die. By your same logic can obese people be detained and forced to exercise? That would save the same or more amount of lives each year.
Also the confinement will lead to more suicides and DV that will kill far more people than covid will
Upon taking into consideration the fears and anxieties you have unconsciously relayed in your objection to the Maryland stay-at-home order as well the fears and anxieties you have unconsciously relayed in your responses throughout this thread it is my conclusion that in all probability you either have an argumentative personality which suggests that you are self-absorbed with a low self-esteem and a predominantly negative mindset, or that you have an Oppositional Defiance Disorder (ODD) the common manifestations of which include the need to win an argument and defend yourself relentlessly as well as a frequent proclivity to fight against authority figures. In light of this understanding about your predilections I am going to remove myself from this thread and end all further debate with you so that you may either claim the desired victory over me which you desperately seek or have your cherished “last word” – whichever one you most value. I hope my decision helps you considering that at the end of the day in these dire times we all must make small sacrifices to help one another.
Take care and Good luck.
Anonymous
04/02/2020 15:34
Subject: Maryland - Shelter in place
Also the confinement will lead to more suicides and DV that will kill far more people than covid will
Anonymous
04/02/2020 15:22
Subject: Maryland - Shelter in place
Peolle should isolate people should stay home but it’s unconstitutional to compel them to do so no matter how many people might die. By your same logic can obese people be detained and forced to exercise? That would save the same or more amount of lives each year.
Anonymous
04/02/2020 13:44
Subject: Maryland - Shelter in place
Anonymous wrote:if you dismiss part of the constitution you dismiss it all. There isn’t enough PPE. Why not force people to make it?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To all you armchair constitutional lawyers:
The ACLU (at least the MN branch) takes a more reasonable and nuanced stance on this.
https://www.aclu-mn.org/en/press-releases/aclu-mn-recommendations-regarding-stay-home-order
Here's some more food for thought for the armchair attorneys:
2010 Maryland Code
PUBLIC SAFETY
TITLE 14 - EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
Subtitle 1 - Maryland Emergency Management Agency Act
Section 14-113 - Enforcement.
§ 14-113. Enforcement.
(a) By emergency management agency.- Each emergency management agency established under this subtitle and its officers shall execute and enforce the orders, rules, and regulations made by the Governor under authority of this subtitle.
(b) By law enforcement and health officers.- With respect to the threat or occurrence of an enemy attack, act of terrorism, or public health catastrophe, each law enforcement officer of the State or a political subdivision and each health officer of a political subdivision shall execute and enforce the orders, rules, and regulations made by the Governor under authority of this subtitle.
2010 Maryland Code
PUBLIC SAFETY
TITLE 14 - EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
Subtitle 1 - Maryland Emergency Management Agency Act
Section 14-114 - Prohibited acts; penalties.
§ 14-114. Prohibited acts; penalties.
(a) Violation of order, rule, or regulation prohibited.- A person may not violate an order, rule, or regulation issued under the authority of this subtitle.
(b) Penalties.-
(1) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding $1,000 or both.
(2) A person who willfully violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 1 year or a fine not e
Anonymous wrote:Constitution trumps statute. If a law were passed that allowed slavery would you disregard the 13th amendment and say statute is paramount ?
I fail to see any logical scenario whereby it would become necessary to declare a state of emergency by executive order or proclamation that would warrant the reinstitution of slavery so your hypothetical is incongruous to the issue at hand and merely an attempt on your part to save face. I believe your desperate attempt to save face is commonly known as grasping at straws.
Perhaps you can answer a better question for me. It is very obvious that you hold your Constitutional rights dear, as do we all. There have been countless instances and arguments over the years in our country's history and continuing even throughout recent history of American citizens voicing their concerns and staging demonstrations in advocacy of their Constitutional rights. It is indeed a fundamentally American attribute. However, my question to you is this:
Why are you seemingly more fearful of the fragility of our Constitution which has steadily endured for the last 288 years and by all accounts is under no threat during these times than you are fearful of the results of this pandemic which by all projections is going to result in 100000 to 240000 deaths in the U.S. and quite possibly more if citizens do not practice social distancing? Would it not be considered irrational for society to ignore the advice of scientists and health professionals and proceed to hold gatherings and frequent places with other people in the interest of exercising their Constitutional right when the consequences of such actions could result in there being very little of society left?
Anonymous
04/02/2020 13:13
Subject: Maryland - Shelter in place
if you dismiss part of the constitution you dismiss it all. There isn’t enough PPE. Why not force people to make it?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To all you armchair constitutional lawyers:
The ACLU (at least the MN branch) takes a more reasonable and nuanced stance on this.
https://www.aclu-mn.org/en/press-releases/aclu-mn-recommendations-regarding-stay-home-order
Here's some more food for thought for the armchair attorneys:
2010 Maryland Code
PUBLIC SAFETY
TITLE 14 - EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
Subtitle 1 - Maryland Emergency Management Agency Act
Section 14-113 - Enforcement.
§ 14-113. Enforcement.
(a) By emergency management agency.- Each emergency management agency established under this subtitle and its officers shall execute and enforce the orders, rules, and regulations made by the Governor under authority of this subtitle.
(b) By law enforcement and health officers.- With respect to the threat or occurrence of an enemy attack, act of terrorism, or public health catastrophe, each law enforcement officer of the State or a political subdivision and each health officer of a political subdivision shall execute and enforce the orders, rules, and regulations made by the Governor under authority of this subtitle.
2010 Maryland Code
PUBLIC SAFETY
TITLE 14 - EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
Subtitle 1 - Maryland Emergency Management Agency Act
Section 14-114 - Prohibited acts; penalties.
§ 14-114. Prohibited acts; penalties.
(a) Violation of order, rule, or regulation prohibited.- A person may not violate an order, rule, or regulation issued under the authority of this subtitle.
(b) Penalties.-
(1) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding $1,000 or both.
(2) A person who willfully violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 1 year or a fine not e
Anonymous wrote:Constitution trumps statute. If a law were passed that allowed slavery would you disregard the 13th amendment and say statute is paramount ?
I fail to see any logical scenario whereby it would become necessary to declare a state of emergency by executive order or proclamation that would warrant the reinstitution of slavery so your hypothetical is incongruous to the issue at hand and merely an attempt on your part to save face. I believe your desperate attempt to save face is commonly known as grasping at straws.
Anonymous
04/02/2020 13:06
Subject: Maryland - Shelter in place
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To all you armchair constitutional lawyers:
The ACLU (at least the MN branch) takes a more reasonable and nuanced stance on this.
https://www.aclu-mn.org/en/press-releases/aclu-mn-recommendations-regarding-stay-home-order
Here's some more food for thought for the armchair attorneys:
2010 Maryland Code
PUBLIC SAFETY
TITLE 14 - EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
Subtitle 1 - Maryland Emergency Management Agency Act
Section 14-113 - Enforcement.
§ 14-113. Enforcement.
(a) By emergency management agency.- Each emergency management agency established under this subtitle and its officers shall execute and enforce the orders, rules, and regulations made by the Governor under authority of this subtitle.
(b) By law enforcement and health officers.- With respect to the threat or occurrence of an enemy attack, act of terrorism, or public health catastrophe, each law enforcement officer of the State or a political subdivision and each health officer of a political subdivision shall execute and enforce the orders, rules, and regulations made by the Governor under authority of this subtitle.
2010 Maryland Code
PUBLIC SAFETY
TITLE 14 - EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
Subtitle 1 - Maryland Emergency Management Agency Act
Section 14-114 - Prohibited acts; penalties.
§ 14-114. Prohibited acts; penalties.
(a) Violation of order, rule, or regulation prohibited.- A person may not violate an order, rule, or regulation issued under the authority of this subtitle.
(b) Penalties.-
(1) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding $1,000 or both.
(2) A person who willfully violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 1 year or a fine not e
Anonymous wrote:Constitution trumps statute. If a law were passed that allowed slavery would you disregard the 13th amendment and say statute is paramount ?
I fail to see any logical scenario whereby it would become necessary to declare a state of emergency by executive order or proclamation that would warrant the reinstitution of slavery so your hypothetical is incongruous to the issue at hand and merely an attempt on your part to save face. I believe your desperate attempt to save face is commonly known as grasping at straws.
Anonymous
04/02/2020 12:45
Subject: Maryland - Shelter in place
Constitution trumps statute. If a law were passed that allowed slavery would you disregard the 13th amendment and say statute is paramount ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To all you armchair constitutional lawyers:
The ACLU (at least the MN branch) takes a more reasonable and nuanced stance on this.
https://www.aclu-mn.org/en/press-releases/aclu-mn-recommendations-regarding-stay-home-order
Here's some more food for thought for the armchair attorneys:
2010 Maryland Code
PUBLIC SAFETY
TITLE 14 - EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
Subtitle 1 - Maryland Emergency Management Agency Act
Section 14-113 - Enforcement.
§ 14-113. Enforcement.
(a) By emergency management agency.- Each emergency management agency established under this subtitle and its officers shall execute and enforce the orders, rules, and regulations made by the Governor under authority of this subtitle.
(b) By law enforcement and health officers.- With respect to the threat or occurrence of an enemy attack, act of terrorism, or public health catastrophe, each law enforcement officer of the State or a political subdivision and each health officer of a political subdivision shall execute and enforce the orders, rules, and regulations made by the Governor under authority of this subtitle.
2010 Maryland Code
PUBLIC SAFETY
TITLE 14 - EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
Subtitle 1 - Maryland Emergency Management Agency Act
Section 14-114 - Prohibited acts; penalties.
§ 14-114. Prohibited acts; penalties.
(a) Violation of order, rule, or regulation prohibited.- A person may not violate an order, rule, or regulation issued under the authority of this subtitle.
(b) Penalties.-
(1) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding $1,000 or both.
(2) A person who willfully violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 1 year or a fine not e
Anonymous
04/02/2020 12:28
Subject: Maryland - Shelter in place
Anonymous wrote:To all you armchair constitutional lawyers:
The ACLU (at least the MN branch) takes a more reasonable and nuanced stance on this.
https://www.aclu-mn.org/en/press-releases/aclu-mn-recommendations-regarding-stay-home-order
Here's some more food for thought for the armchair attorneys:
2010 Maryland Code
PUBLIC SAFETY
TITLE 14 - EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
Subtitle 1 - Maryland Emergency Management Agency Act
Section 14-113 - Enforcement.
§ 14-113. Enforcement.
(a) By emergency management agency.- Each emergency management agency established under this subtitle and its officers shall execute and enforce the orders, rules, and regulations made by the Governor under authority of this subtitle.
(b) By law enforcement and health officers.- With respect to the threat or occurrence of an enemy attack, act of terrorism, or public health catastrophe, each law enforcement officer of the State or a political subdivision and each health officer of a political subdivision shall execute and enforce the orders, rules, and regulations made by the Governor under authority of this subtitle.
2010 Maryland Code
PUBLIC SAFETY
TITLE 14 - EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
Subtitle 1 - Maryland Emergency Management Agency Act
Section 14-114 - Prohibited acts; penalties.
§ 14-114. Prohibited acts; penalties.
(a) Violation of order, rule, or regulation prohibited.- A person may not violate an order, rule, or regulation issued under the authority of this subtitle.
(b) Penalties.-
(1) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding $1,000 or both.
(2) A person who willfully violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 1 year or a fine not e
Anonymous
04/02/2020 11:48
Subject: Maryland - Shelter in place
To all you armchair constitutional lawyers:
The ACLU (at least the MN branch) takes a more reasonable and nuanced stance on this.
https://www.aclu-mn.org/en/press-releases/aclu-mn-recommendations-regarding-stay-home-order
The ACLU (at least the MN branch) takes a more reasonable and nuanced stance on this.
https://www.aclu-mn.org/en/press-releases/aclu-mn-recommendations-regarding-stay-home-order
Anonymous
04/02/2020 11:47
Subject: Maryland - Shelter in place
Anonymous wrote:So do you think an emergency allows critics of the response to be arrested? Exact same constitutional concerns at play .
Why don't you ask the appropriate government offices...
Contact the Governor
Mail: 100 State Circle. Annapolis, Maryland. 21401-1925.
Phone: 410-974-3901. 1-800-811-8336. MD Relay 1-800-735-2258.
800-492-7122 is the Maryland General Assembly's toll-free number that you can call and ask to speak with your representative.
Contact the Maryland State Police at 410-653-4348.
Anonymous
04/02/2020 11:46
Subject: Maryland - Shelter in place
During WW1 there was the Espionage act which allowed critics of the war to be arrested. It was repealed before it could be constitutionally challenged. However it was a clear violation of the first amendment
Anonymous
04/02/2020 11:44
Subject: Maryland - Shelter in place
So do you think an emergency allows critics of the response to be arrested? Exact same constitutional concerns at play .
Anonymous
04/02/2020 11:42
Subject: Maryland - Shelter in place
Anonymous wrote:In the future if you want to amend the US and MD constitution a to restrict constitutional rights more power to you but now it’s unconstitutional to do so
Go for it. Nobody on here is an authority so it's not our opinions/warnings that you should be stressing out about, it's the authorities you may come across in your actions to defy the executive order that you need to worry about. It's obvious no matter what anyone on here thinks you're going to do you. You're going to routinely and frequently go out and wander around aimlessly for the express purpose of opposing the powers that be. Good for you. None of us can stop you from doing what you want to do so point in arguing - go do it. I guarantee you you'll be far more successful in that endeavor to simply open your door and walk outside than you will be in your attempt to stop others from offering their opinion on this thread.
Note: ironic how someone who is such a staunch advocate of exercising ones rights you are adamantly opposed to others exercising their right to free speech.
Anonymous
04/02/2020 11:26
Subject: Maryland - Shelter in place
In the future if you want to amend the US and MD constitution a to restrict constitutional rights more power to you but now it’s unconstitutional to do so
Anonymous
04/02/2020 11:19
Subject: Maryland - Shelter in place
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m not sayin people should be having parties . They have a right to assemble. They have a right to leave home even if they shouldn’t. Being under arrest requires probable cause you committed a crime to meet due process requirements.Anonymous wrote:All these opponents of the order are full of shit. You're just arguing for the sake of entertainment. You know good and damn well none of you citing Constitutional rights and objecting to the Stay-At-Home order aren't going to be throwing block parties and holding backyard barbecues inviting all of your neighbors. You're sheltering in place and maintaining social distancing just like every other sensible person out here. If you're not...well, you have the Constitutional right to be an idiot I suppose.
To each his own. When are you getting off social media and throwing something on to go out and about and test your theory about your rights? Please keep us updated. Novel idea: You could do a Facebook live session or a make YouTube video of yourself wandering around for no essential reason other than sheer defiance and the rationale that needing to exercise your rights supersedes the general public needing to take the necessary precautions to curb this pandemic. Never know, you may become an internet sensation.
Or you could find out the hard way that your concepts of jurisprudence and legal theory about executive orders is flawed.