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Anonymous wrote:What would everyone who can't possible take any sick leave do if they were sick with something else? Wouldn't you have to take an advance, LWOP, vacation?

Yes. The hysteria here is just that.

I would have phrased it entitlement more than hysteria, but yes, +1.

This is a different sickness. When I have the flu I take off when I have a fever and then come back to work (2 days usually). Or I can telework.

With covid you’re contagious for weeks and sick for weeks. And because daycares will close, work won’t let me telework.

Majority of people do not have affects worse than the flu. And when you go back after two days with the flu...you are still contagious btw.

If you’re better in two days from the “flu” you probably didn’t have the flu.

Using sick days for when you are sick makes total sense to be. It gets sticky when you’re asking people to quarantine after they are no longer symptomatic (or were never symptomatic at all). You really think people are going to burn through their personal leave for the good of society? Dream on. You either give them incentive to stay home or accept that they will be back out there once they feel better. It is what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:So I have carefully saved my leave and my coworker constantly uses it for all kinds of things. She now gets free leave for claiming Corona and I spend my leave. Advancing leave is fine but just giving it out seems a bit out of control.

What free leave? I’m also not sure what you are implying- is your coworker using sick leave improperly, i.e. for reasons other than illness or doctors appointments?

Worker 1 takes full days of for a 20 minute dental appointment, mental health days, etc. Worker 2 schedules appointments on her off days and only uses sick leave for illnesses. Worker one is nowpaid to stay home because she is now actually sick but has no leave. Worker 2 is using the sick she carefully saved. Now I realize there are people who just started or are recovering from a major illness that have legitimate reasons for not having leave...but many people do not save it for an actual sickness.

+1. People use leave extremely liberally and then bitch and moan they are all out. I’m careful about saving my leave for times when I really need it and I therefore have hundreds of hours saved after only five years of service. I shouldn’t be punished for being prudent.

Anonymous wrote:I have to ask what is weather and safety leave? FDA mandates telework for everyone even on bad weather dats.

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Anonymous wrote:I carefully saved my leave for years and took advanced sick leave so that I could have two children and take two paid maternity leaves. I finally got my sick leave balance back to zero, after having to use annual leave almost as fast as I accrued it for my children's daycare sicknesses. I think that Feds like me who have very young children should get a break if both schools and offices close, as we didn't benefit from the forthcoming paid parental leave program and are still in the hole leave-wise.

Loosening rules around telework, including telework with kids at home, is one thing. Creating broad additional leave for people with empty balances is another.

So we’ll just plop our toddlers in front of tv for a month so we can telework at home? It’s impossible to get anything done with my kids in the house let alone try to competently work. If forced, then I will “work at home” aka sign into WebTA, do some half assed work during nap time, and otherwise occasionally move my mouse around to make it look active. OPM has to realize this is what parents of young kids are going to do because no one is going to voluntarily take a month or more of leave over this.

Yes, you may just have to let your toddler watch more tv than you would normally. Oh, the terrible sacrifice. You may have to work when they go to bed. There are other things that you may have to do that you wouldn’t ordinarily, but the proper answer isn’t to say you just get paid time off without requiring a little extra effort on your end.

My agency doesn’t allow work after 6pm. And I’m pretty sure watching kids from sun up to sun down then working for 8 hours for weeks on end = recipe for a mental breakdown.

Anonymous wrote:So have we all decided to get all the Boomers sick so a percentage of them die so we can get Trump out of office.

Anonymous wrote:Just reading that makes me pretty angry. Why is the burden on me when I’m forced into teleworking because of an agency closure? Why shouldn’t they be grateful to me still working and be more flexible. There’s nothing in there about working late at night, weekends or other options to get my 40 hours in. And if I need a doctors note before my work will allow sick leave or telework, I may just as well come to work. Obviously no one cares about employees or they wouldn’t have sent out such an uncaring response from OPM. I plan on ripping up my telework agreement tomorrow so I can’t be forced to telework against my will.

Anonymous wrote:Just reading that makes me pretty angry. Why is the burden on me when I’m forced into teleworking because of an agency closure? Why shouldn’t they be grateful to me still working and be more flexible. There’s nothing in there about working late at night, weekends or other options to get my 40 hours in. And if I need a doctors note before my work will allow sick leave or telework, I may just as well come to work. Obviously no one cares about employees or they wouldn’t have sent out such an uncaring response from OPM. I plan on ripping up my telework agreement tomorrow so I can’t be forced to telework against my will.

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Anonymous wrote:I carefully saved my leave for years and took advanced sick leave so that I could have two children and take two paid maternity leaves. I finally got my sick leave balance back to zero, after having to use annual leave almost as fast as I accrued it for my children's daycare sicknesses. I think that Feds like me who have very young children should get a break if both schools and offices close, as we didn't benefit from the forthcoming paid parental leave program and are still in the hole leave-wise.

Loosening rules around telework, including telework with kids at home, is one thing. Creating broad additional leave for people with empty balances is another.

So we’ll just plop our toddlers in front of tv for a month so we can telework at home? It’s impossible to get anything done with my kids in the house let alone try to competently work. If forced, then I will “work at home” aka sign into WebTA, do some half assed work during nap time, and otherwise occasionally move my mouse around to make it look active. OPM has to realize this is what parents of young kids are going to do because no one is going to voluntarily take a month or more of leave over this.

Yes, you may just have to let your toddler watch more tv than you would normally. Oh, the terrible sacrifice. You may have to work when they go to bed. There are other things that you may have to do that you wouldn’t ordinarily, but the proper answer isn’t to say you just get paid time off without requiring a little extra effort on your end.

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Anonymous wrote:What would everyone who can't possible take any sick leave do if they were sick with something else? Wouldn't you have to take an advance, LWOP, vacation?

Yes. The hysteria here is just that.

I would have phrased it entitlement more than hysteria, but yes, +1.

This is a different sickness. When I have the flu I take off when I have a fever and then come back to work (2 days usually). Or I can telework.

With covid you’re contagious for weeks and sick for weeks. And because daycares will close, work won’t let me telework.

Majority of people do not have affects worse than the flu. And when you go back after two days with the flu...you are still contagious btw.

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Anonymous wrote:I carefully saved my leave for years and took advanced sick leave so that I could have two children and take two paid maternity leaves. I finally got my sick leave balance back to zero, after having to use annual leave almost as fast as I accrued it for my children's daycare sicknesses. I think that Feds like me who have very young children should get a break if both schools and offices close, as we didn't benefit from the forthcoming paid parental leave program and are still in the hole leave-wise.

Loosening rules around telework, including telework with kids at home, is one thing. Creating broad additional leave for people with empty balances is another.

So we’ll just plop our toddlers in front of tv for a month so we can telework at home? It’s impossible to get anything done with my kids in the house let alone try to competently work. If forced, then I will “work at home” aka sign into WebTA, do some half assed work during nap time, and otherwise occasionally move my mouse around to make it look active. OPM has to realize this is what parents of young kids are going to do because no one is going to voluntarily take a month or more of leave over this.

Your kids don’t nap?

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Anonymous wrote:What would everyone who can't possible take any sick leave do if they were sick with something else? Wouldn't you have to take an advance, LWOP, vacation?

Yes. The hysteria here is just that.

I would have phrased it entitlement more than hysteria, but yes, +1.

This is a different sickness. When I have the flu I take off when I have a fever and then come back to work (2 days usually). Or I can telework.

With covid you’re contagious for weeks and sick for weeks. And because daycares will close, work won’t let me telework.

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Anonymous wrote:I carefully saved my leave for years and took advanced sick leave so that I could have two children and take two paid maternity leaves. I finally got my sick leave balance back to zero, after having to use annual leave almost as fast as I accrued it for my children's daycare sicknesses. I think that Feds like me who have very young children should get a break if both schools and offices close, as we didn't benefit from the forthcoming paid parental leave program and are still in the hole leave-wise.

Loosening rules around telework, including telework with kids at home, is one thing. Creating broad additional leave for people with empty balances is another.

So we’ll just plop our toddlers in front of tv for a month so we can telework at home? It’s impossible to get anything done with my kids in the house let alone try to competently work. If forced, then I will “work at home” aka sign into WebTA, do some half assed work during nap time, and otherwise occasionally move my mouse around to make it look active. OPM has to realize this is what parents of young kids are going to do because no one is going to voluntarily take a month or more of leave over this.

Your kids don’t nap?