Anonymous
Post 03/08/2020 08:01     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The current data we have about labor markets give us a very inaccurate picture because they don’t take into xo side ration unpaid domestic labor. Because we have a bias that says that pleases more value in paid labor.

Nobody is looking for a prize. It’s in everybody’s interest to get a better picture of how our economy functions.


Rationality!

Yep, and took until page 6.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2020 07:56     Subject: Re:NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:I am a SAHM. Staying at home allows us a better, less hectic life and there are some savings and intangible benefits too because we are outsourcing less, cooking more, childcare, enrichment etc. However, no one is paying me for my labor. Giving SAHMs seperate pre-tax retirement savings instruments from primary earners or allowing them to pay into social security may be more helpful.

Since I was also a WOHM, I would prefer just equal pay in the workplace, paid maternity and paternity leave, flex schedule, on-site daycare and pumping facility. Lets start with making the lives of working women better so that we actually have pleasant choices about if we want to stay in the workforce or not.


Unless every employee gets the equivalent of maternity/paternity leave, unpaid nap time three times every work day then no special privileges just for having a bsby! I agree with equal pay and equal respect.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2020 07:12     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The current data we have about labor markets give us a very inaccurate picture because they don’t take into xo side ration unpaid domestic labor. Because we have a bias that says that pleases more value in paid labor.

Nobody is looking for a prize. It’s in everybody’s interest to get a better picture of how our economy functions.


Rationality!


It's not rational to count child birth as unpaid labor.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2020 06:55     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:God you people are so dumb. The article is not arguing that people "should" be paid for this work, like getting groceries.

The point is that the time and effort spent on getting groceries is something that is almost always overlooked and it is a necessary task. You can't function in life without food. Someone has to shop for and cook it. Usually that person is not paid for doing and usually they're not even thanked.

The point is that tasks like these should NOT be overlooked. Is that really something you disagree with?


My husband and I both shop for groceries. We both meal plan. We both cook. We both clean up. We also both thank each other for the contributions we make towards our family. If that’s what you’re looking for, then make it happen.
Anonymous
Post 03/07/2020 10:59     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:The current data we have about labor markets give us a very inaccurate picture because they don’t take into xo side ration unpaid domestic labor. Because we have a bias that says that pleases more value in paid labor.

Nobody is looking for a prize. It’s in everybody’s interest to get a better picture of how our economy functions.


Rationality!
Anonymous
Post 03/07/2020 10:41     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nonsense. My husband does an equal amount, more in some aspects. This is just another way of holding women to domestic jobs.




+1. I married a feminist man who does his fair share around the house - laundry, vacuuming, grocery shopping, general cleaning, making lunches and picking up when possible. My brother is the one who took care of both aging parents. Women, this narrative persists as long as we marry the fools who won't help out! Teach your sons to do their part!


Glaringly strange in this comment how it's not your feminist husband's job to teach the sons to do their part.


+1
Yes, and this poster blames women for not being wise enough to choose men who would help out with unpaid domestic labor after they're married. So doing all the unpaid domestic labor is not just something women are stuck doing by default, but it's also their fault that it's that way and the men are once again given a pass.
Anonymous
Post 03/07/2020 09:55     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
My labor is unpaid but it goes towards making my family life easier and smoother, instead of giving it for money to an employer.

I am an equal owner of all assets, wealth and debt of our household and my retirement and my children future is secure.

I guess that is how I get paid, and I guess this is how my DH and children get to live a good life.

I would still want a recording of what my labor is worth. I don't mind if for reporting purposes everyone's labor for the betterment of family is also tabulated. I am assuming that you will not include anything that you do for your own self care.
Anonymous
Post 03/07/2020 09:44     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand this. It’s not a service to society to have kids. Or if it is, than we should be a total welfare state.


Yes it is abundantly clear that you do not understand this.
Anonymous
Post 03/07/2020 09:37     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
I don’t understand this. It’s not a service to society to have kids. Or if it is, than we should be a total welfare state.
Anonymous
Post 03/06/2020 19:21     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
The current data we have about labor markets give us a very inaccurate picture because they don’t take into xo side ration unpaid domestic labor. Because we have a bias that says that pleases more value in paid labor.

Nobody is looking for a prize. It’s in everybody’s interest to get a better picture of how our economy functions.
Anonymous
Post 03/06/2020 19:17     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DH here: I’m drawing up an invoice now for all the home IT support I do.

Um, honey, I don't think that it counts when the only things you are 'fixing' are those that make your games run faster.


Well if shopping for bonbons counts.
Anonymous
Post 03/06/2020 18:50     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:I've never really understood this argument, and I'm a woman. Is the implication that we should get a salary for these things? There are certain tasks that are just about keeping your life up and running. Moreover, who would pay us for, say, doing the dishes or the laundry?


This.

What about the unpaid domestic work single, childless women do? And men?

This argument isn’t helpful. It makes mothers look like whiners.
Anonymous
Post 03/06/2020 16:41     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:DH here: I’m drawing up an invoice now for all the home IT support I do.

Um, honey, I don't think that it counts when the only things you are 'fixing' are those that make your games run faster.
Anonymous
Post 03/06/2020 13:26     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Stop hiding your income by engaging in home production! Time to start taxing SAHMs.
Anonymous
Post 03/06/2020 05:21     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:DH here: I’m drawing up an invoice now for all the home IT support I do.



DW here: Yes, yes please include IT support for your home as unpaid labor. I'm the IT support for my family...and my parents...and some friends, ugh.

Wait, if everyone does this does that mean it's not unpaid labor?